Hot topic What unreleased demos and remixes do you think will be on Thriller 40 Disc 2?

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I think everyone needs to remember that thriller 50 will definitely be a thing, most likely with each disk being:
Disk 1: Thriller album
Disk 2 : Thriller album song demos
Disk 3: Thriller 25 bonus tracks
Disk 4 : Thriller 40 bonus tracks
Disk 5: unreleased demos

Something like this.
 
The Estate never fail to fail. Most of these songs are already on the net and have been for over 10 years at least. Dangerous out takes would have been far better to have been done on anniversary for that album although I am thinking the Estate has very little compared to what has been previously thought. Also where is the Victory or Triumph tour concerts , they were MJ at his vocal peak . No miming , no stupid tricks. Just the music. Will definetly not be buying this . "The Toy" I actually think was used on the Michael Album with the fake songs. Just touched up a bit.
Sadly, they can't release any Jacksons concert because of The Jacksons. They don't want to release a Jacksons concert for whatever reason
 
I think everyone needs to remember that thriller 50 will definitely be a thing, most likely with each disk being:
Disk 1: Thriller album
Disk 2 : Thriller album song demos
Disk 3: Thriller 25 bonus tracks
Disk 4 : Thriller 40 bonus tracks
Disk 5: unreleased demos

Something like this.
I think it will be including different takes and already released mixes and unreleased songs including maybe around 5 unheard songs if they are really going to release an Thriller anniversary album for the third time
 
Ok.. so they are doing exactly what they said here: rarities and demos (Got The Hots is previously released rarity). "Thriller-era bonus material including previously unreleased demos" - Thriller era, so not just the Thriller sessions and outtakes (The Toy). And the main word here is INCLUDING. So basically mix of previously released rare (in their opinion) songs INCLUDING some previously unreleased ones. So we can expect Carousel and Someone In The Dark FOR SURE!

I don't mind that. But for me, it's very stupid decision to limit CD2 to only 10 songs when you have space for 10 more. Why put Billie Jean, Beat It, WBSS & PYT Demos on Disc 3 that is only digital? Why not put all of them + The Girl Is Mine Demo from 2008 CD single + leaked but unreleased demos on CD2?

Why re-release 2008 remixes on Thriller 40 in 2022 on that disc 3? If they wanted some remixes on disc 3, they should have gone for really rare original remixes, 7" and 12" single versions and radio edits where some of them are commercially unavailable and Vinyl only mixes, for example Human Nature (from Japanese CD Single) or Vinyl only edit of The Girl Is Mine without the rap or Mexican Promo Vinyl version of Beat It with repeated Van Halen guitar solo. Or Instrumentals, or Billie Jean Pepsi versions.. AHHHH.. The Estate :(
I think there’s a bit of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” with including the already-released demos on disc 2. There’s already a lot of disappointment with “Got the Hots” showing up. I think limiting the demos to the digital-only version makes the most sense.

Also, as Beano Wild pointed out, there’s almost certainly going to be a Thriller 50, which (I hope) will be the more grandiose set. I can’t imagine they’re gonna blow everything worthwhile here. (I still think the fact that they’re releasing Thriller 40 in general is sorta dumb, but what can you do?)
 
I think they release Thriller 40 because they want to release something and didn't have a better idea. But I mean, Thriller outtakes and remastered short films are amazing!
 
The Estate never fail to fail. Most of these songs are already on the net and have been for over 10 years at least. Dangerous out takes would have been far better to have been done on anniversary for that album although I am thinking the Estate has very little compared to what has been previously thought. Also where is the Victory or Triumph tour concerts , they were MJ at his vocal peak . No miming , no stupid tricks. Just the music. Will definetly not be buying this . "The Toy" I actually think was used on the Michael Album with the fake songs. Just touched up a bit.
It isn't the Estate's fault that corrupt fans leaked songs on the internet. Also, it isn't the Estate's fault that the fans like you listen to the leaked songs. I personally don't listen to leaked songs, so songs like She's Trouble is a new song for me. And these leaked songs deserved to be released officially and what better place to release them than an anniversary edition of Thriller.

Victory and Triumph concerts can't be released without the consent and involvement of the Jackson brothers, as they weren't solo projects involving just Michael.

The Toy is an earlier version of Best of Joy, which was recorded again in 2008. The Toy features vocals from the Thriller era.

Also, nobody cares if you aren't buying this. Most people stream anyway nowadays, so if fans like you don't buy Thriller 40 and the sales are low, it doesn't matter. It is the era of streaming.
 
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It was never their "fault" for the leaked stuff. However, I could go on forever about how much better this project could have been in the hands of the right people (like a lot of fans and "scholars" of MJ). Even I could cook up a way better project than what they are doing, but that's another story.
Exactly!
 
Yeah they did, but I bet it's the same version that is on The Essential Michael Jackson and Thriller 25: Limited Japanese Single Collection and not the one from Japanese 3" CD Single with the additional synths on the bridge.
The actual 7" remix of Human Nature is on Qobuz edition of The Essential Michael Jackson
 
The actual 7" remix of Human Nature is on Qobuz edition of The Essential Michael Jackson
Yep, OnirMJ wasn't exactly wrong, though
the original release of The Essential Michael Jackson did indeed have "fake" edits of the tracks, that were just the standard album versions but edited to fit the length of the original edits.
but, just like you said, the qobuz/streaming versions of the album replaced these fake edits with the real deal :p
 
Yep, OnirMJ wasn't exactly wrong, though
the original release of The Essential Michael Jackson did indeed have "fake" edits of the tracks, that were just the standard album versions but edited to fit the length of the original edits.
but, just like you said, the qobuz/streaming versions of the album replaced these fake edits with the real deal :p
I didn't say he was wrong and I do know the original The Essential Michael Jackson has fake edits. I just simply pointed out there is a real single mix on streaming platforms, so there is chance that the 7" remix on digital bonus can be a authenic mix.
 
I wouldn't count out the possibility of 1 of the MJ/Freddie Mercury demos being on this release. There is an interview back in the mid/late 80s with Freddie talking about the tracks, and they were worked on when Thriller was coming, but it didn't get finished. Technically they are Thriller tracks, even though Michael and the Jacksons redid State Of Shock with Mick Jagger, and Freddie would go on to do his own version of There Must Be More To Life Than This.

Wouldn't mind these being released, or even if we finally heard Victory.
 
I wouldn't count out the possibility of 1 of the MJ/Freddie Mercury demos being on this release. There is an interview back in the mid/late 80s with Freddie talking about the tracks, and they were worked on when Thriller was coming, but it didn't get finished. Technically they are Thriller tracks, even though Michael and the Jacksons redid State Of Shock with Mick Jagger, and Freddie would go on to do his own version of There Must Be More To Life Than This.

Wouldn't mind these being released, or even if we finally heard Victory.
I don't think Brian and Roger would approve.
 
It's not impossible that an earlier demo with MJ only vocals does exist.
 
Sadly, they can't release any Jacksons concert because of The Jacksons. They don't want to release a Jacksons concert for whatever reason
Who said this and where did this really come from? The more I hear this the more I think it's bs because it doesn't make sense. Haven't the jacksons released re-relases of their albums, remixes of their songs and they were the one who uploaded the never before seen heartbreak hotel live from the Victory tour on their channel. They also asked/teased fans if they wanted to see a Victory tour concert get a full release back in 2017. Why wouldn't they want to release concerts?
 
Originally they did want to release a Victory Tour concert but Michael vetoed it. MJ personally hated the whole Victory tour , then the Don King comments about MJ apparently refusing to accept that he is an N word performer and always will be. The Brothers wanted the tour to continue but MJ announced at the final one during Shake Your Body and according to someone , one of the brothers called MJ a little prick . Basically it was a shame because MJ's live voice was incredible in that tour. Though he did not want to do it. They never performed a single song from the Victory album which spoke volumes I guess too. Though i Hope one day they do release it but maybe they not doing that out of respect for MJ as they moved on to a degree.
 
Again. Leaked songs are not leaked by the Estate. They are leaked by people who stole them and re-sold them. Those songs should be released now. That is not questionable at all. The only questionable thing is the selection or omission of other tracks which were previously released.

Of course, you don't have to buy it, you can continue to enjoy the low quality mixes online or pirate the new release.

The Toy has vocals and music recorded in 1981. Best Of Joy has the vocals and music recorded in 2008 with additional music and production done in 2010. Same song, slightly different lyrics.
The toy recorded also in 1991 and in 2008. The version from 2008 have third verse not released they touch version 2008 again and released it so we have 3 version not released yet 1981 .1991 and 2008
 
Originally they did want to release a Victory Tour concert but Michael vetoed it. MJ personally hated the whole Victory tour , then the Don King comments about MJ apparently refusing to accept that he is an N word performer and always will be. The Brothers wanted the tour to continue but MJ announced at the final one during Shake Your Body and according to someone , one of the brothers called MJ a little prick . Basically it was a shame because MJ's live voice was incredible in that tour. Though he did not want to do it. They never performed a single song from the Victory album which spoke volumes I guess too. Though i Hope one day they do release it but maybe they not doing that out of respect for MJ as they moved on to a degree.
Yet, it is worth noting that reportedly Michael Jackson himself with a film crew later filmed few Victory concerts (after he vetoed that release that his brothers wanted).

There were also plans for a LaserDisc video release of the Victory Tour in the late '80s.

In any case, the Victory Tour does not deserve to get an official release.

The tour is saddled with kitsch moments, lots of pointless pantomime by his brothers, and an overabundance of visual effects/laser lights that bring no artistic value to the show.

Michael Jackson also looks like that he does not enjoy performing on stage.

He did not even have any desire (during that tour) to perform additional dance routines for his 'Billie Jean' very successful hit at that time.
 
Who said this and where did this really come from? The more I hear this the more I think it's bs because it doesn't make sense. Haven't the jacksons released re-relases of their albums, remixes of their songs and they were the one who uploaded the never before seen heartbreak hotel live from the Victory tour on their channel. They also asked/teased fans if they wanted to see a Victory tour concert get a full release back in 2017. Why wouldn't they want to release concerts?
I think the general dispute between the estate and the Jackson family is preventing a tour release from happening. All parties need to be in agreement, and that doesn’t seem likely. Hell, the recent reissue of the live album was the first time I’ve seen collaboration between them.
 
Yet, it is worth noting that reportedly Michael Jackson himself with a film crew later filmed few Victory concerts (after he vetoed that release that his brothers wanted).

There were also plans for a LaserDisc video release of the Victory Tour in the late '80s.

In any case, the Victory Tour does not deserve to get an official release.

The tour is saddled with kitsch moments, lots of pointless pantomime by his brothers, and an overabundance of visual effects/laser lights that bring no artistic value to the show.

Michael Jackson also looks like that he does not enjoy performing on stage.

He did not even have any desire (during that tour) to perform additional dance routines for his 'Billie Jean' very successful hit at that time.
This is simply not true.
 
Yet, it is worth noting that reportedly Michael Jackson himself with a film crew later filmed few Victory concerts (after he vetoed that release that his brothers wanted).

There were also plans for a LaserDisc video release of the Victory Tour in the late '80s.

In any case, the Victory Tour does not deserve to get an official release.

The tour is saddled with kitsch moments, lots of pointless pantomime by his brothers, and an overabundance of visual effects/laser lights that bring no artistic value to the show.

Michael Jackson also looks like that he does not enjoy performing on stage.

He did not even have any desire (during that tour) to perform additional dance routines for his 'Billie Jean' very successful hit at that time.
Now you are frenzy for real! :D
 
Of all of the ridiculous things you’ve said over the years, this has to top the list.
It only gets better, doesn’t it? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a member on a forum be so frequently hateful and overly critical towards anything and everything that the artist, to whom the forum is dedicated to, has done in their career. It’s insane!
 
Yet, it is worth noting that reportedly Michael Jackson himself with a film crew later filmed few Victory concerts (after he vetoed that release that his brothers wanted).

There were also plans for a LaserDisc video release of the Victory Tour in the late '80s.

In any case, the Victory Tour does not deserve to get an official release.

The tour is saddled with kitsch moments, lots of pointless pantomime by his brothers, and an overabundance of visual effects/laser lights that bring no artistic value to the show.

Michael Jackson also looks like that he does not enjoy performing on stage.

He did not even have any desire (during that tour) to perform additional dance routines for his 'Billie Jean' very successful hit at that time.
I agree that Michael either looked vex or in pain for the majority of the ‘victory’ concerts. out of the many photos available of the tour over the years, there are very few of him smiling. especially in comparison to the ones that came before.

I agree that there were a few lulls in the show; the long ‘sword in the stone’/laser fight with the ‘kreton creatures’, the long transition between ‘working day and night’ and ‘beat it’ with the giant spider, jermaine’s solo, and the fake exit at the end of ‘lovely one’.

however, I do think that the brothers descending the staircase and removing their shades in unison, was an iconic moment.

I also think that michael’s freestyle at the end of ‘billie jean’ evolved as the tour progressed. with the debut of the circle glide, it was the highlight of the show in my opinion. much effort went into preparing for it. here’s michael practicing below

I think if any numbers from that tour are to be featured in ‘thriller 40’ in some fashion, it should be ‘billie jean’ and ‘human nature’. those are solo performances from the ‘thriller’ album that are sung in the original key. they’re most recognisable to the studio versions.

despite it being amateur footage, I think the New York show is the best. it has the smoothness and balance between the vocals and dancing. michael even stops the show mid song to call out someone for not dancing. I wouldn’t mind at all if this was professionally released.

it’s worth remembering that Jackie Jackson works for the estate. Tito, marlon, and even late father joe supported them. even mother Katherine is now on board with the upcoming biopic. I’m sure they could all work something out if need be.

it’s true that the ‘victory’ tour would have been much bigger if it was worldwide, or at least televised, however it’s crucial in showing the mass hysteria surrounding michael at the time. the costumes were spectacular. all of the trademarks that are associated with michael were present. real peak ‘Michael mania’, despite the controversies..
 
Yeah the New York show looks awesome, absolutely stunning vocals!
I never liked all the theatrical stuff either I would cut all of it lol but I do love all the lights and laser stuff!
Purely in terms of dancing I like this era the most, billie jean on the Victory for me cannot be topped.
 
I doubt that considering There Must Be More To Life Than This was reworked and released just a few years ago.
They wanted to release the original demo. The Estate said no and they had to settle for the shitty William Orbit mix cause that's what the Estate approved.
 
Es wäre wirklich ein Traum, wenn das Anwesen chicago1945 noch auf CD 2 herausbringen würde, da der Song nicht für Xcupe remixt werden durfte, weil der Miteigentümer es nicht wollte, nur das Original, es wäre perfekt, dies beizufügen Lied in dieser Jubiläumsausgabe von Thriller 40
 
They wanted to release the original demo. The Estate said no and they had to settle for the shitty William Orbit mix cause that's what the Estate approved.

I think they actually created their own version of the track that they wanted to use. Brian May talks about it, and the difficulty working with The Estate in this video

 
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