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Dilan said:
It makes you wonder what the estate has or what the strength of what they have is when xscape was mostly leaked songs and then thriller 40 is so far entirely either leaked or alternatives from Michael album
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It's not Estate's fault that all these Thriller outtakes leaked. It's thieves fault who first stole those songs from the studio, then it's "collectors" fault who purchased those stolen songs on black market and were re-selling them to fans. Then, finally it's fans fault who spread those songs all over the internet.

Also, it's not songs fault that they ended up on the internet for free, often in low quality. All these songs deserve to be officially released in highest possible quality and Thriller 40 is the perfect place for them. I hope Starlight, Nite Line and Trouble are all there.

For the exact same reason, we'll have these same discussions when they announce Dangerous anniversary album with all the leaked Bryan Loren tracks, If You Don't Love Me and all the songs illegally recorded and leaked by the fans from various seminars by MJ's engineers.
 
OnirMJ said:
What is the source for this? You mean the vocals are from 1982, or just music, or both?
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OnirMJ said:
It's not Estate's fault that all these Thriller outtakes leaked. It's thieves fault who first stole those songs from the studio, then it's "collectors" fault who purchased those stolen songs on black market and were re-selling them to fans. Then, finally it's fans fault who spread those songs all over the internet.

Also, it's not songs fault that they ended up on the internet for free, often in low quality. All these songs deserve to be officially released in highest possible quality and Thriller 40 is the perfect place for them. I hope Starlight, Nite Line and Trouble are all there.

For the exact same reason, we'll have these same discussions when they announce Dangerous anniversary album with all the leaked Bryan Loren tracks, If You Don't Love Me and all the songs illegally recorded and leaked by the fans from various seminars by MJ's engineers.
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I’m not slamming them for releasing leaked songs, all though releasing songs that has already had an official release is questionable, but there should be a good ratio between leaked and unreleased/unheard songs. It’s just simply impossible for me to buy a project where I already heard 90%. Whether that makes me a bad person for listening to the songs when they leaked is irrelevant because I know many other people share the same opinion.

So if the Estate goes through with their stick the head in the sand philosophy they cannot be mad or surprised when the hardcore fan base, their main target audience aren’t buying this. All I ask for is a good ratio. I would be over the moon if they included 3-4 unheard songs.
 
It is what is it. Everyone was warned about getting their hopes up to just be dissatisfied. Yes, the leak tracks will be released we all knew that was going to happen. Nobody said you had to buy anything. I’m not planning on buying any I already have. The only thing so far I would buy is the Toy. Now if Sony makes you buy the entire album to get a particular song that would be a problem. Most of the songs are not that strong anyway thats why they were not on Thriller.. Hopefully we get Thriller video in HD.
 
filmandmusic said:
I’m surprised got the hots gets shot down by many, I find it extremely catchy. It fits the thriller vibe completely. I think the thriller outtakes are my favorites easily. Some of the Dangerous outtakes (work that body, if you don’t love me) for example sound below par to me.
I also don’t understand some complaints that there is no unheard stuff while 2 songs revealed so far have never been heard or leaked by the fans. We basically got 2 remixes of the toy and behind the mask and that’s it.

For me it is shaping up very well and I hope that Carousel, Hot Street, Nightline and Starlight will be the next songs. What the other 2 tracks are going to be is anyone’s guess. I think it will be a big surprise for all of us in a good way.
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OnirMJ said:
It's not Estate's fault that all these Thriller outtakes leaked. It's thieves fault who first stole those songs from the studio, then it's "collectors" fault who purchased those stolen songs on black market and were re-selling them to fans. Then, finally it's fans fault who spread those songs all over the internet.

Also, it's not songs fault that they ended up on the internet for free, often in low quality. All these songs deserve to be officially released in highest possible quality and Thriller 40 is the perfect place for them. I hope Starlight, Nite Line and Trouble are all there.

For the exact same reason, we'll have these same discussions when they announce Dangerous anniversary album with all the leaked Bryan Loren tracks, If You Don't Love Me and all the songs illegally recorded and leaked by the fans from various seminars by MJ's engineers.
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perfect 💜 that’s all..
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
You know what would be awesome? If someone make a filtered acapella of sunset driver and puts in the instrumental for blood on the dance floor. Just to get a sense of how it would sound like. We probably would need to de-pitch the vocals to match the same key
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I just tried to do that in my head after reading that lol. But at this point....I just care about hearing the new master vinyl & hoping for 4k shorts. I seen thriller 3d & I really cannot believe it's been 5yrs.... they should've waited then to show it.. & the worst part is that it's not even confirmed if they will release it. Thriller only has 3 official shorts so idk why it would be an issue not to remaster & release them.
 
OnirMJ said:
It's not Estate's fault that all these Thriller outtakes leaked. It's thieves fault who first stole those songs from the studio, then it's "collectors" fault who purchased those stolen songs on black market and were re-selling them to fans. Then, finally it's fans fault who spread those songs all over the internet.

Also, it's not songs fault that they ended up on the internet for free, often in low quality. All these songs deserve to be officially released in highest possible quality and Thriller 40 is the perfect place for them. I hope Starlight, Nite Line and Trouble are all there.

For the exact same reason, we'll have these same discussions when they announce Dangerous anniversary album with all the leaked Bryan Loren tracks, If You Don't Love Me and all the songs illegally recorded and leaked by the fans from various seminars by MJ's engineers.
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Im not blaming the estate. The point im trying to make is that with all the dozens of completed MJ songs for Xscape and all the demos for Thriller its interesting that it just so happens to be that what has been leaked is what the estate decide to also coincidentally release. Its gives an indication of the strength of material they have
 
I'd say there is genuinely about 15-25 unleaked songs with fully/almost complete vocals that the estate are in possession of, and considering they want to stretch the archive out for the next hundred years, they are definitely going to be selective in what they choose to unvault, so of course they are going to release leaked songs (though, I feel they will release different mixes of the songs in thriller 40).
 
Did the Estate ever said anything about the songs on disc 2? Did they say that the disc 2 will contain only previously unreleased material?

If they said that, then Got The Hots should not be there and they lied.

If they never said anything, then I'm sure that among other 6 songs will for sure be Carousel & Someone In The Dark.

My guess about remaining 6 tracks is: Starlight, Nite Line, Trouble, Carousel, Someone In The Dark & The Lady In My Life (Full version).
 
OnirMJ said:
Did the Estate ever said anything about the songs on disc 2? Did they say that the disc 2 will contain only previously unreleased material?
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"Sony Music and the Estate of Michael Jackson announced today that MICHAEL JACKSON THRILLER 40, a double CD set comprised of Michael’s original masterpiece and an exciting bonus CD of rarities and demos"

"Disc 2: Features Thriller-era bonus material including previously unreleased demos"
 
After being extremely disappointed with both the sound quality and the musical quality of the remixes on Thriller 25, Bad 25 and the Jacksons reissues, I honestly don't have high hopes for this. I really can't be bothered to buy the album yet again, just to hear a 2020 pop "star" that I've never heard of butcher the songs.

For me, it all depends on the demos. But basically there's a 99% chance that I will not bit T40.

On the other hand, the SACD version does interest me
 
Fuzball said:
"Sony Music and the Estate of Michael Jackson announced today that MICHAEL JACKSON THRILLER 40, a double CD set comprised of Michael’s original masterpiece and an exciting bonus CD of rarities and demos"

"Disc 2: Features Thriller-era bonus material including previously unreleased demos"
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To be honest, "Features Thriller era bonus material INCLUDING previously unreleased demos" could easily be interpreted as anything (meaning released demos for example) along (including) previously unreleased demos.

Sly, sly
 
Pentum said:
To be honest, "Features Thriller era bonus material INCLUDING previously unreleased demos" could easily be interpreted as anything (meaning released demos for example) along (including) previously unreleased demos.

Sly, sly
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Very interesting they can write blurbs like that correctly but the song blurbs get written by a primary school child 😁
 
It appears they are putting the disc together using just the original songs that did not make Thriller.

That is a smart thing to do considering we can listen to this disc as a complementary piece to the album without much overlapping of the material. Got the Hots should be included for completists sake wether or not it was already released. The song was never actually released in North America and I don’t think the common listener may realize it’s on the fan extras collection on iTunes. Carousel should be included too in its full length…hopefully the uncut one and not the 3:40 version. I see nothing wrong with what they’re doing so far. This is a good thing to see.

It is also interesting to note they never mentioned Thriller 25 when talking about Got The Hots, only the King of Pop compilations.
 
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farlnd said:
It is also interesting to note they never mentioned Thriller 25 when talking about Got The Hots, only the King of Pop compilations.
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I think that’s because 95% of the population would recognize it from KOP. It’s still worth mentioning, but I wouldn’t call it anything other than catering to the majority.
 
farlnd said:
hopefully the uncut one and not the 3:40 version.
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Tbh, there's no significant difference btw 3:40 edit and full version.

I'm looking more forward for an uncut version of TLIML. (it still puzzles me why it wasn't released in 2008 despite being announced by the label)
 
Fuzball said:
"Sony Music and the Estate of Michael Jackson announced today that MICHAEL JACKSON THRILLER 40, a double CD set comprised of Michael’s original masterpiece and an exciting bonus CD of rarities and demos"

"Disc 2: Features Thriller-era bonus material including previously unreleased demos"
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Ok.. so they are doing exactly what they said here: rarities and demos (Got The Hots is previously released rarity). "Thriller-era bonus material including previously unreleased demos" - Thriller era, so not just the Thriller sessions and outtakes (The Toy). And the main word here is INCLUDING. So basically mix of previously released rare (in their opinion) songs INCLUDING some previously unreleased ones. So we can expect Carousel and Someone In The Dark FOR SURE!

I don't mind that. But for me, it's very stupid decision to limit CD2 to only 10 songs when you have space for 10 more. Why put Billie Jean, Beat It, WBSS & PYT Demos on Disc 3 that is only digital? Why not put all of them + The Girl Is Mine Demo from 2008 CD single + leaked but unreleased demos on CD2?

Why re-release 2008 remixes on Thriller 40 in 2022 on that disc 3? If they wanted some remixes on disc 3, they should have gone for really rare original remixes, 7" and 12" single versions and radio edits where some of them are commercially unavailable and Vinyl only mixes, for example Human Nature (from Japanese CD Single) or Vinyl only edit of The Girl Is Mine without the rap or Mexican Promo Vinyl version of Beat It with repeated Van Halen guitar solo. Or Instrumentals, or Billie Jean Pepsi versions.. AHHHH.. The Estate :(
 
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OnirMJ said:
Ok.. so they are doing exactly what they said here: rarities and demos (Got The Hots is previously released rarity). "Thriller-era bonus material including previously unreleased demos" - Thriller era, so not just the Thriller sessions and outtakes (The Toy). And the main word here is INCLUDING. So basically mix of previously released rare (in their opinion) songs INCLUDING some previously unreleased ones. So we can expect Carousel and Someone In The Dark FOR SURE!

I don't mind that. But for me, it's very stupid decision to limit CD2 to only 10 songs when you have space for 10 more. Why put Billie Jean, Beat It, WBSS & PYT Demos on Disc 3 that is only digital? Why not put all of them + The Girl Is Mine Demo from 2008 CD single + leaked but unreleased demos on CD2?

Why re-release 2008 remixes on Thriller 40 in 2022 on that disc 3? If they wanted some remixes on disc 3, they should have gone for really rare original remixes, 7" and 12" single versions and radio edits where some of them are commercially unavailable and Vinyl only mixes, for example Human Nature (from Japanese CD Single) or Vinyl only edit of The Girl Is Mine without the rap or Mexican Promo Vinyl version of Beat It with repeated Van Halen guitar solo. Or Instrumentals, or Billie Jean Pepsi versions.. AHHHH.. The Estate :(
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They have put the Human Nature 7" on the digital.
 
Thatkliqkid said:
They have put the Human Nature 7" on the digital.
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Yeah they did, but I bet it's the same version that is on The Essential Michael Jackson and Thriller 25: Limited Japanese Single Collection and not the one from Japanese 3" CD Single with the additional synths on the bridge.
 
The Estate never fail to fail. Most of these songs are already on the net and have been for over 10 years at least. Dangerous out takes would have been far better to have been done on anniversary for that album although I am thinking the Estate has very little compared to what has been previously thought. Also where is the Victory or Triumph tour concerts , they were MJ at his vocal peak . No miming , no stupid tricks. Just the music. Will definetly not be buying this . "The Toy" I actually think was used on the Michael Album with the fake songs. Just touched up a bit.
 
Andymachine said:
The Estate never fail to fail. Most of these songs are already on the net and have been for over 10 years at least. Dangerous out takes would have been far better to have been done on anniversary for that album although I am thinking the Estate has very little compared to what has been previously thought. Also where is the Victory or Triumph tour concerts , they were MJ at his vocal peak . No miming , no stupid tricks. Just the music. Will definetly not be buying this . "The Toy" I actually think was used on the Michael Album with the fake songs. Just touched up a bit.
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Again. Leaked songs are not leaked by the Estate. They are leaked by people who stole them and re-sold them. Those songs should be released now. That is not questionable at all. The only questionable thing is the selection or omission of other tracks which were previously released.

Of course, you don't have to buy it, you can continue to enjoy the low quality mixes online or pirate the new release.

The Toy has vocals and music recorded in 1981. Best Of Joy has the vocals and music recorded in 2008 with additional music and production done in 2010. Same song, slightly different lyrics.
 
OnirMJ said:
Again. Leaked songs are not leaked by the Estate. They are leaked by people who stole them and re-sold them. Those songs should be released now. That is not questionable at all. The only questionable thing is the selection or omission of other tracks which were previously released.

Of course, you don't have to buy it, you can continue to enjoy the low quality mixes online or pirate the new release.

The Toy has vocals and music recorded in 1981. Best Of Joy has the vocals and music recorded in 2008 with additional music and production done in 2010. Same song, slightly different lyrics.
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I'm one of the more vocal anti-estate type of people in this community, but even I can't blame them for including mostly already leaked demos. Because they too are also good songs, and might even be better than the unheard ones. So they should be officially released firstly, before the unheard ones. By balancing this, and also giving us 2-3 new unheard songs (for the hardcore fans), I think it is fair.

It was never their "fault" for the leaked stuff. However, I could go on forever about how much better this project could have been in the hands of the right people (like a lot of fans and "scholars" of MJ). Even I could cook up a way better project than what they are doing, but that's another story.
 
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