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Why the lip-synching?

filmandmusic said:
Making a medley including 2 iconic nr 1 hits is kind of ridiculous in the first place imo.
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What is even more ridiculous is that Michael completely dropped Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough from the setlist after the Triumph tour and it only returned in the form of a lip-synced medley for a few concerts during the History tour.

A song that was the one of the first to truly showcase Michael’s talent as a songwriter and a song that was an iconic number 1 hit deserved way better.
 
Nite Line said:
What is even more ridiculous is that Michael completely dropped Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough from the setlist after the Triumph tour and it only returned in the form of a lip-synced medley for a few concerts during the History tour.

A song that was the one of the first to truly showcase Michael’s talent as a songwriter and a song that was an iconic number 1 hit deserved way better.
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Well I don’t mind that really IF he had dropped thriller songs from the bad tour and bad songs from the dangerous tour etc But neglecting DSTYGE only feels indeed very weird as it is truly iconic.
If each tour had a distinct setlist I would not have minded.
 
Nite Line said:
What is even more ridiculous is that Michael completely dropped Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough from the setlist after the Triumph tour and it only returned in the form of a lip-synced medley for a few concerts during the History tour.

A song that was the one of the first to truly showcase Michael’s talent as a songwriter and a song that was an iconic number 1 hit deserved way better.
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Yeah it's odd he dropped it after triumph. I would trade WDAN on the bad tour for DSTYGE lol.
 
MJs setlists were kinda horrible after Bad. Dangerous tour in particular wasn't Dangerous enough.

HIStory was way better actually. It's just, lipsynching.

MSG 2001 had the definite weirdest. A couple Thriller tracks, The Way You Make Me Feel, the big Dangerous cut Black or White, a J5 melody, and You Rock My World. I don't include the non MJ performances.

Except Shaggy.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MSG 2001 had the definite weirdest. A couple Thriller tracks, The Way You Make Me Feel, the big Dangerous cut Black or White, a J5 melody, and You Rock My World. I don't include the non MJ performances.
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I don’t think it was weird in the slightest. It was meant to contain his biggest hits, which it did.
 
dethorro said:
I don’t think it was weird in the slightest. It was meant to contain his biggest hits, which it did.
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Well why skip YANA, and the other 4 BAD tracks, and not do anything from off the wall? None of the compilations do that.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MJs setlists were kinda horrible after Bad. Dangerous tour in particular wasn't Dangerous enough.

HIStory was way better actually. It's just, lipsynching.

MSG 2001 had the definite weirdest. A couple Thriller tracks, The Way You Make Me Feel, the big Dangerous cut Black or White, a J5 melody, and You Rock My World. I don't include the non MJ performances.

Except Shaggy.
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The word I would use is disappointing. We all knew what songs Michael would perform and there were no real surprises.
 
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Dangerous tour in particular wasn't Dangerous enough.
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That was because he had many business meetings at that time, and as a result he did not have much time to rehearse for that tour.

So, the Dangerous Tour set list had to be simply carried over from the BAD Tour set list, as confirmed by Jennifer Batten.

This is also the reason why he did not perform 'Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough' in the Dangerous Tour, as he revealed to his sister Janet Jackson.
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
HIStory was way better actually.
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The HIStory Tour set list has some very issues.

For example, he did not perform at all the 'Man In The Mirror' song, which was one of his biggest hits.

He also chose to perform (on certain dates) the rather obscure 'D.S.' song, or even the 'Come Together' cover song, which were choices that seemed to have perplexed his fans who attended those concerts.

The 'In The Closet' segment was another odd choice, and even a laughable one considering that he sings live certain lines and in other lines he lip-syncs.
 
mj_frenzy said:
He also chose to perform (on certain dates) the rather obscure 'D.S.' song, or even the 'Come Together' cover song, which were choices that seemed to have perplexed his fans who attended those concerts.
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I remember thousands of fans booing Michael when D.S. started playing, they all chanted we want heartbreak hotel and a 2nd run of wanna be starting something!

I wish they did start booing though when he was lip syncing these surprise and welcome song choices.
 
If I ever got the chance to be at an mj concert, the last thing I would do is boo him smfh. The so called "fans" that did that didnt deserve tickets.
D.S doesnt bother me at all. It belongs on the tour since he was promoting the album. What didnt belong was the (lip synced) OTW medley. At least re record the vocals.
 
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Well why skip YANA, and the other 4 BAD tracks, and not do anything from off the wall? None of the compilations do that.
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Because there is a limited number of songs you can do in such a special. When you have so many hits, it’s very hard to include all of them. The songs chosen for the 30th anniversary were perfect, in my opinion, and easily his most recognizable. “You Rock My World” doesn’t count because that was done initially in a “spontaneous manner” and it was meant to give the fans a taste of the new album.
 
mj_frenzy said:
For example, he did not perform at all the 'Man In The Mirror' song, which was one of his biggest hits.
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If he sings the same songs and “copy-pastes” the set-list, it’s a problem. If he doesn’t sing a song he sang on all the other tours, and instead includes a track from the album he was promoting, it’s a problem.

Can you ever be satisfied?
 
dethorro said:
Because there is a limited number of songs you can do in such a special. When you have so many hits, it’s very hard to include all of them. The songs chosen for the 30th anniversary were perfect, in my opinion, and easily his most recognizable. “You Rock My World” doesn’t count because that was done initially in a “spontaneous manner” and it was meant to give the fans a taste of the new album.
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It is very hard, you're right. I'm not gonna say they're perfect but they are all sensible. It's just not all of what we're used to. As a demonstration of his live touring, it makes the most sense, I'll see it that way.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Performing songs from the HIStory album on the HIStory tour is odd?
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Performing songs from the 'HIStory' album on the HIStory Tour is not odd.

But performing 'D.S.' and 'Come Together' on the HIStory Tour is odd.

Besides, the on stage performance of 'D.S.' in particular is not good at all because:

Michael Jackson basically lip-syncs the chorus.

Michael Jackson at one point even suggests with his hand that Thomas Sneddon should kill himself (an unacceptable gesture on the singer's part, by all accounts).

The man with the mask (who is dressed in black) makes no sense.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Performing songs from the 'HIStory' album on the HIStory Tour is not odd.

But performing 'D.S.' and 'Come Together' on the HIStory Tour is odd.

Besides, the on stage performance of 'D.S.' in particular is not good at all because:

Michael Jackson basically lip-syncs the chorus.

Michael Jackson at one point even suggests with his hand that Thomas Sneddon should kill himself (an unacceptable gesture on the singer's part, by all accounts).

The man with the mask (who is dressed in black) makes no sense.
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Well, hey, I can't fault your opinions. They're not any worse than SmoothGangsta's tbh.

I would've preferred Tabloid Junkie or This Time Around, or 2 Bad would've been quite cool. Even just incorporating the mime dance of Childhood, something like that would've been quite cool. And add a lot of variety. Unfortunately MJ just did not wanna be there.
 
Surely from the hundred odd concerts of the HIStory tour, they recorded his playback vocals for each song when he was sounding good. They’d have to. I mean why wouldn’t they?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Well, hey, I can't fault your opinions. They're not any worse than SmoothGangsta's tbh.

I would've preferred Tabloid Junkie or This Time Around, or 2 Bad would've been quite cool. Even just incorporating the mime dance of Childhood, something like that would've been quite cool. And add a lot of variety. Unfortunately MJ just did not wanna be there.
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'2 Bad' would have been a good choice (on the HIStory Tour), especially with its brand-new dance routines/choreography (as appeared in his 'Ghosts' film).

But, the mime dance of 'Childhood' (on the HIStory Tour) would not have been a good choice, and it would not have been received well by the audience due to being the mime dance very kitsch, over-sentimental, and boring.
 
MKTCREATE said:
Surely from the hundred odd concerts of the HIStory tour, they recorded his playback vocals for each song when he was sounding good. They’d have to. I mean why wouldn’t they?
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The vocals you hear under the playback are not the same as live singing when he could hear himself. There's a notable difference, not just because of whatever ailments he had going on at the time. Though some are occasionally pretty good, and there's potential there. It would be better if he sang live at rehearsals and they used those.
 
Just been going back through this thread and one thing people never consider is the fact that these are 25 years old

I remember asking my mum before she died, if it bothered her that Michael lip-synced, when she saw the DWT at Wembley, her reply was not at all. You were too fixated on the fact that it's actually Michael Jackson, The Michael Jackson, on the stage performing in front of you to care. The atmosphere and his performance was too astounding and captivating to even fathom if he was miming.

You have to remember this is a long time before social media, so the only time you saw or heard from Mike was in his short films or pictures in newspapers. So to have the chance to have him before for you it was a rare privilege.

You see when we watch now, we're watching on a smartphone or whatever, decades after the event, seeing this show in way better quality than people did back then and we have the luxury to replay and rewind to our hearts content.

My advice would be to enjoy it for what it is, because what it is, is without question the greatest ever live performer, performing his heart out for your entertainment. If it bothers you watch him perform pre 1992
 
I think part of his reluctance to actually sing dangerous and history songs live is because they have such intricate vocal arrangements. I mean if you listen to the multitracks, there are so much vocal lines and they're all done by MJ, you cannot recreate that live. Half his 90s songs consist of beatboxing so you can't do that and sing at the same time.
But then again part of a liveshow is the magic of recreating your studio work in a different light. Michael clearly doesn't agree.
 
Dangerous chorography is really complex, so it would be hard to focus on that while trying to sing at the same time. And Jam is already hard to sing even without all the dancing. Speaking of Jam, Wembley 1992 is one of the greatest performances he ever did.
 
analogue said:
Dangerous chorography is really complex, so it would be hard to focus on that while trying to sing at the same time. And Jam is already hard to sing even without all the dancing. Speaking of Jam, Wembley 1992 is one of the greatest performances he ever did.
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😲
 
analogue said:
It's true
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oh, I'm already there! I am obsessed. I usually watch Bremen. Can't stand Bucharest. Rubbish camera angles. Editing is for sh#t. But Bremen I love although haven't watched for months - too many distractions, most recently Dream Away.

Anyway, I am obsessed. Did I say that? :ROFLMAO:

Found one version then found @MJbr2 version. Much better. Much cleaner.

Man, oh man!!!!!!

I am dizzy with excitement.
 
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