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Let's end the confusion about MJ's unreleased tracks here

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Stuff sounds better in high quality.
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Of course, but no high quality will turn 'boring' choruses into good ones. It was one of the most hyped demo's of MJ but in retrospect there leaked many better ones, just makes me wonder if those fans didn't hear a version with verses or a different version altogether
 
Victorious said:
Of course, but no high quality will turn 'boring' choruses into good ones. It was one of the most hyped demo's of MJ but in retrospect there leaked many better ones, just makes me wonder if those fans didn't hear a version with verses or a different version altogether
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If the vocal melody of the verses are good then the chorus flows much better. There are interesting elements hard to hear as well that sound good.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
If the vocal melody of the verses are good then the chorus flows much better. There are interesting elements hard to hear as well that sound good.
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It’s like with Dirty Diana and Mind is the Magic. If you were to listen to just their choruses, I wouldn’t blame you for not writing home about it. But it’s all in the context. Both songs have strong verse and pre-chorus melodies, while the chorus is something of a bestial cry out. it works, though. It works very well.
 
SeriousFX said:
Quote from Run himself about the demo.

"We had only met with Michael for once. We had this crazy idea that reminded me of Force MC's (later became Force MD's) and Dot-A-Rock (Fantastic 5 & Cold Crush Brothers). It sounded like Flash on the beat box and the way Jesse D from the Force MC's would sing like Michael over a fly beat box."

It was never intended for Michael. Run-DMC never even wrote a rap because they were never able to meet again.
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So Crack Kills never existed in the first place then?
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah as far as we know MJ recorded the demo he intended for run DMC to appear on.
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But you read the lyrics MJ wrote for CK to the tune of Crack by Run DMC and they line up pretty well. I don't think they're unreleased just cause Michael never met with them again. Stranger circumstances have certainly not interfered with a demo being made and cut.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah Serious Effect verses are definitely placeholder.
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Who Do You Know feels and sounds way more placeholder and yet is super enjoyable. Love Never Felt So Good was absolutely just sketch lyrics and was still a top 10 hit. In the Back and many other songs don't even have real words but we just enjoy hearing stuff sometimes.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Who Do You Know feels and sounds way more placeholder and yet is super enjoyable. Love Never Felt So Good was absolutely just sketch lyrics and was still a top 10 hit. In the Back and many other songs don't even have real words but we just enjoy hearing stuff sometimes.
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I'm not a native English speaker but the lyrics of 'Love Never Felt So Good' seem finished to me..?
 
Victorious said:
I understand people hearing Man In Black at seminars were enthusiastic but the instrumental we have now doesn't really live up to the hype right?
It's a funky beat and and okay chorus but nothing more than that imho.. So that is also a reason to believe there are vocals of verses somewhere and that they are pretty good (to compensate for the imo 'underwhelming' chorus). So maybe Bryan Loren does have them and didn't want them to leak yet..?
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If MJ and Bryan sufficiently massaged the music (which it seems like they did since this was "THE" song from their sessions), it might be a great track, despite the underwhelming LQ samples.

Mind Is The Magic -- a collab with Loren from around the same time they wrote MIB -- is one of my favorite MJ productions. The percussion is so intricate and wonderfully layered. But it's 100% a song that only works in good audio quality. Otherwise, there's just not much there to enjoy.

MJ clearly loved it too, since he brought it back for the concerts in 2009... so I'm hopeful there's at least one more he did around that time in 1989/1990. If he did, odds are it's Man in Black!
 
Alec said:
Mind Is The Magic -- a collab with Loren from around the same time they wrote MIB -- is one of my favorite MJ productions. The percussion is so intricate and wonderfully layered. But it's 100% a song that only works in good audio quality. Otherwise, there's just not much there to enjoy.

MJ clearly loved it too, since he brought it back for the concerts in 2009...
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It's funny how Bryan Loren hates that song so much but it's one of the very few songs of his that were used by MJ lol
 
Can’t you guys discuss the true possible masterpieces like dark lady, water, adore you and rocker instead of these slightly boring and uninspiring Loren tracks?
 
Agonum said:
Bryan hates Mind is the Magic?
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During his Paris seminar (and, I believe, his MJ Cast interview), he said he thought it was a terrible song and only contributed to it because MJ asked him to. I think he also said that MJ wrote and produced the entire thing solo, and his contributions basically boiled down to instruments and additional vocals.
 
AlwaysThere said:
During his Paris seminar (and, I believe, his MJ Cast interview), he said he thought it was a terrible song and only contributed to it because MJ asked him to. I think he also said that MJ wrote and produced the entire thing solo, and his contributions basically boiled down to instruments and additional vocals.
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Imo Mind Is the Magic is definitely one of the better Loren contributions. Don’t see why he hates it, especially when tracks like The Verdict exist.
 
Do we know about the state of completion of the Off The Wall outtakes? Is there a reason why there wasn't a disc 2 for the 2016 re-issue? It's curious how we have at least a handful of outtakes from every era but nothing from OTW.
 
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