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Not at all. Per those who have heard and/or worked on these songs, the overwhelming majority of existing material only has chorus vocals. It’s possible that full scratch demos exist, but there are countless songs that never made it past the chorus.So with the way MJ worked, wouldn't a demo with a chorus, but no verses be kinda strange? Like, isn't it probable that he did a scratch demo (even with just mumbling)?
The 'Men In Black' demo, but also something like 'Deep In The Night', seem to be made based on existing vocal melodies imho
This was standard for Michael. He said he would flesh out a full chorus and if he likes it, he will continue the song and if not, he'll scrap it. That's why a lot of his demos have a full chorus and mumbled versesSo with the way MJ worked, wouldn't a demo with a chorus, but no verses be kinda strange? Like, isn't it probable that he did a scratch demo (even with just mumbling)?
The 'Men In Black' demo, but also something like 'Deep In The Night', seem to be made based on existing vocal melodies imho
Oh I see, thanx. Is that also the case with songs written by himself? Since I was under the impression he hummed/sung/beatboxed most of the track (and the music parts) almost immediately on tapeNot at all. Per those who have heard and/or worked on these songs, the overwhelming majority of existing material only has chorus vocals. It’s possible that full scratch demos exist, but there are countless songs that never made it past the chorus.
Yeah I expected there would be at leat some mumbling verses around for songs like MIB and DITNThis was standard for Michael. He said he would flesh out a full chorus and if he likes it, he will continue the song and if not, he'll scrap it. That's why a lot of his demos have a full chorus and mumbled verses
songs like Got the Hots, Days in Gloucestershire, Throwing Your Life Away, Cheater, Who Do You Know, Serious Effect......verses are mumbled but the chorus is thereYeah I expected there would be at leat some mumbling verses around for songs like MIB and DITN
All of those except for DIG are vocally finished lol. TYLA has very little mumbling at certain parts but other than that it's vocally done.songs like Got the Hots, Days in Gloucestershire, Throwing Your Life Away, Cheater, Who Do You Know, Serious Effect......verses are mumbled but the chorus is there
I always imagined the song having a "werewolf" theme if that makes sense lol. Maybe it would have a similar vibe to Thriller.So slightly off topic but what would you all think the verses for 'Deep In The Night' have sounded like? Such a different demo, maybe something like 'Liberian Girl' or 'Monkey Business'?
All of those except for DIG are vocally finished lol. TYLA has very little mumbling at certain parts but other than that it's vocally done.
They do have lyrics, they're just hard to understand because of the way MJ sings or because they're LQ. Songs like Cheater, Got The Hots and Serious Effect are certainly vocally completed.???? not sure what you're hearing in the songs but lyrically, those aren't complete and still contain mumbles.
I think it was the general process for a fair percentage of what he recorded. He’d start with the background vocals and chorus harmonies, lay down a scratch vocal, enhance the production, then eventually contribute a lead. Of course some songs break from this standard, but that’s why you’re more likely to hear songs with full choruses and nothing else.Oh I see, thanx. Is that also the case with songs written by himself? Since I was under the impression he hummed/sung/beatboxed most of the track (and the music parts) almost immediately on tape
I wouldn’t call “Serious Effect” complete. The verses aren’t fleshed out whatsoever, and it can’t just be in the delivery.They do have lyrics, they're just hard to understand because of the way MJ sings or because they're LQ. Songs like Cheater, Got The Hots and Serious Effect are certainly vocally completed.
The song has a rap verse and those were done only when the song was pretty much developed, right? That probably means that what we hear is how it was meant to be. Maybe it's another reason why the song was shelved and was never brought back for another album.I wouldn’t call “Serious Effect” complete. The verses aren’t fleshed out whatsoever, and it can’t just be in the delivery.
This was right before the absolute maelstrom of Leaving Neverland.. and he thinks they were prioritizing songs for the radio?
It has a rolling groove like The Way You Make Me Feel, but it's feel good and seems romantic. Maybe like taking someone out to show them a great time and leave their fear of the outside world.So slightly off topic but what would you all think the verses for 'Deep In The Night' have sounded like? Such a different demo, maybe something like 'Liberian Girl' or 'Monkey Business'?
“Jam” was only a scratch vocal when Heavy D contributed his raps. Same with LL Cool J turning in a verse for “Truth About Youth,” which apparently doesn’t have any MJ vocals at all. Brad Sundberg also once stated that most of the lead vocals for HIStory were done in the final few weeks of production (March 1995), meaning the rap verses from Shaq and the Notorious B.I.G. had to have been done in advance.The song has a rap verse and those were done only when the song was pretty much developed, right? That probably means that what we hear is how it was meant to be. Maybe it's another reason why the song was shelved and was never brought back for another album.
Since no answer here; the singer of the I Have This Dream demo, is actually Dr. Freeze himself. He is also the singer of the demo La MiaAnd now to spice it up - who do you think is the singer?
There are several clues in Cheater that suggest that it is not vocally complete. See for instance the bridge and the false start before it.They do have lyrics, they're just hard to understand because of the way MJ sings or because they're LQ. Songs like Cheater, Got The Hots and Serious Effect are certainly vocally completed.
I was thinking more about the Invincible demo when the song sounded the same as the released version apart from Fats not recording his verse and about Crack Kills which is vocally complete and is only missing Run DMC's rap verse. I completely forgot about those you mentioned lol.“Jam” was only a scratch vocal when Heavy D contributed his raps. Same with LL Cool J turning in a verse for “Truth About Youth,” which apparently doesn’t have any MJ vocals at all. Brad Sundberg also once stated that most of the lead vocals for HIStory were done in the final few weeks of production (March 1995), meaning the rap verses from Shaq and the Notorious B.I.G. had to have been done in advance.
I don’t think the insertion of a rap followed any sort of rhyme or reason—they were done whenever the opportunity occurred.
The verses are definitely not mumbled though.There are several clues in Cheater that suggest that it is not vocally complete. See for instance the bridge and the false start before it.
Yeah Serious Effect verses are definitely placeholder.
Didn’t Run DMC release their verse for Crack Kills on the Tougher Than Leather reissue- called “Crack (demo)”? Pretty sure that’s the same track that was worked on with MJ.I was thinking more about the Invincible demo when the song sounded the same as the released version apart from Fats not recording his verse and about Crack Kills which is vocally complete and is only missing Run DMC's rap verse. I completely forgot about those you mentioned lol.
Quote from Run himself about the demo.Didn’t Run DMC release their verse for Crack Kills on the Tougher Than Leather reissue- called “Crack (demo)”? Pretty sure that’s the same track that was worked on with MJ.
Didn't Damien say that he saw a picture of another list MJ had written and Deep In The Night was written on there? (Could be misremembering this someone correct me if I'm wrong).I'm really interested in Deep In The Night now the demo has leaked in HQ. The LQ didn't do a lot for me to be honest, but now you can hear the groove and make out the lyrics, I really like it.
It feels like a romantic groove. It's interesting that it was on a very early 1990 Dangerous tracklist written by Michael, clearly he likes the song
Hopefully there's a more fleshed out version of that and Man In Black
Yes that's right. An unpublished list found in MJ's room in 2009.Damien n'a-t-il pas dit qu'il avait vu une photo d'une autre liste que MJ avait écrite et que Deep In The Night y était écrit ? (Peut-être que quelqu'un se souvient mal de ce quelqu'un, corrigez-moi si je me trompe).