Let's end the confusion about MJ's unreleased tracks here

I always assumed Tomboy had MJ vocals. The whole it being described as having a similar melody to remember the time thing.

I had no doubt that "Tomboy" had vocals. Matt Forger has already mentioned this song. However I have big doubts that the song is complete vocally.

@Lotfi11k It would be interesting to confirm this with Joe Vogel :)
 
I had no doubt that "Tomboy" had vocals. Matt Forger has already mentioned this song. However I have big doubts that the song is complete vocally.
someone posted about the vocals earlier. If it's an accurate info, I assume it's just some kind of scratch vocals at best.

The version I heard had just one verse and a chorus.
 
I had no doubt that "Tomboy" had vocals. Matt Forger has already mentioned this song. However I have big doubts that the song is complete vocally.

@Lotfi11k It would be interesting to confirm this with Joe Vogel :)
Can you ask him about .turning me off . Crack kills and other songs
 
Yeah, I think there being a whoo in that zapp song kinda solidified to me that there were at least scratch vocals recorded.
Yeah same mate.

I'd assume it's at least as complete as say Free, because Mike seemed to be more dedicated to trying to put a vocal melody all the way through his demos, even if he had no lyrics for a verse yet, during the Bad era

That's a complete guess on my part though
 
Branca's continuing focus on 'new' fans whilst sh!tting all over those that have followed Michael for 20+ years continues I see.

Joy.

Not sure why it's so hard to understand for them. I'm interested in Michael. Not someone pretending to be Michael or someone talking about Michael.
 
Branca's continuing focus on 'new' fans whilst sh!tting all over those that have followed Michael for 20+ years continues I see.

Joy.

Not sure why it's so hard to understand for them. I'm interested in Michael. Not someone pretending to be Michael or someone talking about Michael.

They are in the business of selling the idea of MJ.
 
They are in the business of selling the idea of MJ.
Tbf they kinda have to now.

Literally this time 10 years we had gotten 3 albums with new songs, and was about to get a 4th one. 2014 was straight up Michael-Mania. And the million dollar contract for projects as well.

Literally this time 10 years ago Safechuck was starting his accusations against Michael. Pretty much the beginning of the end.
 
I registered an account on here to try and find more information on a track called “Vile and Miserable (Miserable Soul)” apparently worked on by MJ and will.i.am. It lists on wikipedia (not a super reliable source ik) but I cannot find it anywhere else. Anyone know anything about it?
 
I registered an account on here to try and find more information on a track called “Vile and Miserable (Miserable Soul)” apparently worked on by MJ and will.i.am. It lists on wikipedia (not a super reliable source ik) but I cannot find it anywhere else. Anyone know anything about it?
a lot of those songs are fake and if anything leaked in 2015 like this alleged song, we would've heard it by now...that's a fake title that was added by someone editing the page.
 
Quite annoying to hear about the plans for no upcoming mj releases I hope stuff leaks in clear quality and it messes up their profits when they try and release stuff in 5 years
 
Quite annoying to hear about the plans for no upcoming mj releases I hope stuff leaks in clear quality and it messes up their profits when they try and release stuff in 5 years
Lord Jackson is in the corner laughing mischievously as we speak
 
https://www.youtube.com/@mjsitspaybacktimealbum2004/videos i found this channel with what seems to be dr. freeze demos, do we know if they were all for mj?? im liking some of em ngl
Almost all the Freeze demo's I've heard have some potential, I can only imagine what they would have been if Mike had got involved more with the writing and stuck with Dr Freeze.

The thing I like about them is they all feel different and unique, which would have been vital if Mike chose to work with Dr Freeze on an album.
 
I don’t think it is wise or ethical to make a laughing matter out of what lord jackson did. It was a criminal offense and i am sure lots of people in the fanbase supported his action. In doing so the offender might think what he did was justified. I wonder if you’d find it funny if some total stranger ran away with your laptop…
 
I always assumed Tomboy had MJ vocals. The whole it being described as having a similar melody to remember the time thing.

Damien said the version (registered via US Copyright) he heard was an instrumental and Barnes confirmed there were vocals but the song wasn't complete.....The version registered was most likely for the instrumental only.....I'm sure Matt has a copy
 
Damien said the version (registered via US Copyright) he heard was an instrumental and Barnes confirmed there were vocals but the song wasn't complete.....The version registered was most likely for the instrumental only.....I'm sure Matt has a copy
I think this discrepancy calls into question whether or not there are recorded versions of songs he’s claimed were just instrumentals. With the exception of songs that were posthumously registered, it’s entirely possible that certain tracks were developed further and the registered versions were simply the most recent versions at that stage.
 
Fans are going to be drip-fed material for the next 50 years, and that's why you're getting a lot of frivolous 3rd party shit now (ie, the imitation tours, biopic). They know if they release an album in 10 years time, you'll buy it. Shit if they release Thriller 50 with a slightly different cover and no other addition, you'll buy it. They say theyre concerned with getting new fans (and maybe the biopic helps achieve that) but I don;t think the other stuff does. I think they're concerned with their bank balance above all else and they've got a never ending cash cow that theyre going to slowly milk whether we like it or not.

We wont see another album until they've exhausted everything else.
 
Somebody (I think Mister_Jay_Tee) made an important observation: MJ, unlike most other “vintage” artists, is in a position where he needs to placate more to the new generation. Leaving Neverland poses a serious risk at being his definitive image moving forward, and it’s important to attempt to relay the focus onto his existing body of work with the biopic and the musical. Acts like Elton John and Queen aren’t fighting off pedophilia accusations, so this isn’t something they need to be acutely concerned with.

Obviously I’m not advocating completely ignoring the longtime fans, but it’s not really all that surprising in this context that an emphasis is being placed on newcomers.
 
Those are still not any arguments against releasing actual music - at all. There are more than a few working for The Estate / Sony. You can easily work on the Biopic, upgrade some of their circus, and work on some music in the studios.

Branca is probably not going to be around for too many years as the head of the MJ Estate hopefully.
 
I think this discrepancy calls into question whether or not there are recorded versions of songs he’s claimed were just instrumentals. With the exception of songs that were posthumously registered, it’s entirely possible that certain tracks were developed further and the registered versions were simply the most recent versions at that stage.

exactly....the version with vocals is more than likely not registered but was still recorded in 85. The same could be said for Dirty Diana, which has registries from 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1987
 
Somebody (I think Mister_Jay_Tee) made an important observation: MJ, unlike most other “vintage” artists, is in a position where he needs to placate more to the new generation. Leaving Neverland poses a serious risk at being his definitive image moving forward, and it’s important to attempt to relay the focus onto his existing body of work with the biopic and the musical. Acts like Elton John and Queen aren’t fighting off pedophilia accusations, so this isn’t something they need to be acutely concerned with.

Obviously I’m not advocating completely ignoring the longtime fans, but it’s not really all that surprising in this context that an emphasis is being placed on newcomers.
I don't think I've said it exactly like that, but that is true. MJ (r.e. his camp) needs to take his narrative back before it's hijacked.

He would've done it with This Is It. And if he was alive, he wouldn't be being sued, and if he was, he'd fight it and win.

But now, there's different ways to take it back. Rebuttal documentaries, or in this case, the biopic, can be a huge answer. The only answer that can saturate even farther than a documentary for sure. It'd be very wise to take that chance.

I think what I've really said @AlwaysThere is that MJs music scales up pretty well to what they do today. There are many great artists, but they are primarily of their era. MJ was around long enough to engage with the 21st century, at least at it's start. And much of what he did in the 20th is informing what's done today anyway. There's a lot they can do, versatility wise.

And making music like this, informed by the 21st century, engaging directly with today's contemporarys, is the easiest way to make today's youth draw towards it. It just does help in that way. No disrespect to the great Tina Turner, who was excellent, but I just can't see many of the kids I know going down that rabbit hole. Those same kids already know Beat It and the other classics though, and they have TikTok, so whatever's popular, they know about.
 
exactly....the version with vocals is more than likely not registered but was still recorded in 85. The same could be said for Dirty Diana, which has registries from 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1987
So the question is, does the Estate have this in their possession?
 
So the question is, does the Estate have this in their possession?

I wish we knew but we know for sure The Library of Congress has copies of the tapes in their archives....plus if anything, I'd say some of this earlier material might even be at Hayvenhurst
 
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