Ebay: Get Your Weight Off Of Me????

[OnirMJ]

Jungle City, Blue Powder and early mixes of What More Can I Give and The Way You Love Me.

So snippets of 2 demos of released songs, and 2 demos not sung by MJ on tape for $5000? WOW! Am I right that Jungle City and Blue Powder are writers demos?

 

[kai]

I'm sorry, Danzberg, but you are wrong. I did not state an opinion. Your AI-generated songs are indeed fabricated and the dataset you've created to make them is flooded with copyrighted MJ material. It's entirely unacceptable for you to claim legal ownership of these tracks.

So you say the copyright belongs to Sony/estate even tho it’s only MJs voice tone used as far as I know a company doesn’t own a voice but songs.
Bro… I still wrote them and did the entire composition. I agree that to some point I can’t own all the copyright. But until there is a clear law for it I am in the right to keep the copyright…..

 

[Sawyer Grubb]

Anyone managed to get a download of this before it was privated?

I have a link of a compilation of snippets, not that exact video. But I can send the collection of snippets.

 

[Sawyer Grubb]

Any "insider" (discord/fb followers) know if there is indeed a higher quality one one there or is it bs?



Def. same source of the leak, IMO. If it's really higher quality, you can tell right away. It won't sounds like a mess instru+vocal wise if the source is HQ. Example is listen to Heartbreaker or Unbreakable on loud volume. Tons of stuff happening, mechanical sounds everywhere - yet you can still sort of differentiate the vocals to the instru. While this CGYWOOM, it sounds like they are one together

There is definitely a difference between the original leak and this one, I can tell right away by the instrumental, it’s so much clearer. It’s also “Get Your Weight Off Of Me” not “Can’t Get Your Weight Off Of Me” and it doesn’t sound like a mess. The original leak does, so maybe take a listen to the original mess and compare before you say that: https://mega.nz/file/gc8w0TxJ#K37Fk5fb4q3MqfRL578rD-gRCl0P05Zh3V03Rd8wmrw

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

@kai What are the chances of a full show, audio or video, pro or amateur doesn’t matter, leaking from the early 88 US leg of the Bad Tour? Is anything from that leg circulating at all?

 

[kai]

@kai What are the chances of a full show, audio or video, pro or amateur doesn’t matter, leaking from the early 88 US leg of the Bad Tour? Is anything from that leg circulating at all?

I have no clue. I wish there was Bad Tour stuff circulating. We can only pray

 

[alanram]

So you say the copyright belongs to Sony/estate even tho it’s only MJs voice tone used as far as I know a company doesn’t own a voice but songs.
Bro… I still wrote them and did the entire composition. I agree that to some point I can’t own all the copyright. But until there is a clear law for it I am in the right to keep the copyright…..

I could just let you continue editing your post; each addition you make only reinforces my point further. You are ilegally using copyrighted Michael Jackson acapellas to fabricate vocals for a track that mirrors MJ's melodies, beats, lyrics, and rhythms. Do you genuinely believe you're on the right side of this story? It's yet another form of fraud like Cascio's infamous collection of songs. This is a disrespect to Michael Jackson and his family. They did NOT give you permission to create a dataset flooded with their late relative's voice to fabricate your "own" plagiarized creations.

 

[Sawyer Grubb]

I have no clue. I wish there was Bad Tour stuff circulating. We can only pray

Yeah same here. Way better than these one song leaks and bad mastering of demos that have MJ mumbling. Don’t get me wrong I love demos, but I would rather listening to MJ’s live discography because one, he wanted the world to hear that music, two, he worked so hard to put on those shows for us, and three, because I like to hear the choices vocally that he makes in front of a live audience rather than in the studio.

 

[kai]

I could just let you continue editing your post; each addition you make only reinforces my point further. You are ilegally using copyrighted Michael Jackson acapellas to fabricate vocals for a track that mirrors MJ's melodies, beats, lyrics, and rhythms. Do you genuinely believe you're on the right side of this story? It's yet another form of fraud like Cascio's infamous collection of songs. This is a disrespect to Michael Jackson and his family. They did NOT give you permission to create a dataset flooded with their late relative's voice to fabricate your "own" plagiarized creations.

Bro destroyed me
Ok. And you only tell that to me but not the 200 other creators on YouTube?

I guess „fanmade“ stuff is a crime for you



Edit: didn’t know that editing posts to add stuff makes my points bad

 

[DanGerouS-]

This is a disrespect to Michael Jackson and his family.

most stuff the estate is releasing is disrespectful and awful. the family doesn't care by the way. how about that? I've no respect for this mess.

kai is paying tribute for MJ for so many years. there's nothing wrong with this. he's doing a stellar job.

you're just a hater. that's all.

 

[alanram]

Bro destroyed me
Ok. And you only tell that to me but not the 200 other creators on YouTube?

I guess „fanmade“ stuff is a crime for you



Edit: didn’t know that editing posts to add stuff makes my points bad

Just because 200 other people are engaging in this doesn't make it right or legal. How can you label your work as "fan-made" while simultaneously asserting legal ownership of the tracks? Your understanding of legal matters seems skewed. Additionally, you did not answer my question. Do you genuinely believe you're on the right side of this story?

 

[kai]

Just because 200 other people are engaging in this doesn't make it right or legal. How can you label your work as "fan-made" while simultaneously asserting legal ownership of the tracks? Your understanding of legal matters seems skewed. Additionally, you did not answer my question. Do you genuinely believe you're on the right side of this story?

How about you showing all of us the law that doesn’t allow us to create and enjoy A.I stuff.
For now the copyright-law for A.I is not existing to my knowledge. If we talk about „ai generated“ stuff I agree that you can’t claim the copyright. But for music which was done b a human 95 % I can claim my copyright. I wrote the words, created the music, played the instruments, sung the vocals. You can like it or not but these songs are mine and even registered at BMI. Just don’t click on A.I stuff if you don’t like it. No reason to destroy the fun for the people who found a passion in it…

 

[alanram]

most stuff the estate is releasing is disrespectful and awful. the family doesn't care by the way. how about that? I've no respect for this mess.

kai is paying tribute for MJ for so many years. there's nothing wrong with this. he's doing a stellar job.

you're just a hater. that's all.

I'm perplexed by how both you and Danzberg can't defend these actions without pointing fingers at someone or something. The fact that there are 200 others producing AI-generated content or that the Michael Jackson Estate is making releases that don't align with your tastes doesn't justify anything. Danzberg is not "paying tribute to MJ". Instead, he's illegally fabricating vocals using copyrighted material to produce tracks that plagiarize Michael Jackson's work, while also claiming legal ownership of these productions.

 

[arnspecs]

Just because 200 other people are engaging in this doesn't make it right or legal. How can you label your work as "fan-made" while simultaneously asserting legal ownership of the tracks? Your understanding of legal matters seems skewed. Additionally, you did not answer my question. Do you genuinely believe you're on the right side of this story?

Good grief. Calm down. Kai’s work is awesome. Fun to listen to. How about you relax and take life less seriously and hop down off your high horse.

 

[kai]

I'm perplexed by how both you and Danzberg can't defend these actions without pointing fingers at someone or something. The fact that there are 200 others producing AI-generated content or that the Michael Jackson Estate is making releases that don't align with your tastes doesn't justify anything. Danzberg is not "paying tribute to MJ". Instead, he's illegally fabricating vocals using copyrighted material to produce tracks that plagiarize Michael Jackson's work, while also claiming legal ownership of these productions.

And you are the one trying to make drama out of nothing. It’s simple as that. Don’t listen to AI stuff if you don’t like it.

Also if I wanted to point on others I would have mentioned names. I was simply referring to YouTube which is full of A.I stuff.
If you like it or not A.I is existing and it will be used for official projects in the future.

 

[Pentum]

There is definitely a difference between the original leak and this one, I can tell right away by the instrumental, it’s so much clearer. It’s also “Get Your Weight Off Of Me” not “Can’t Get Your Weight Off Of Me” and it doesn’t sound like a mess. The original leak does, so maybe take a listen to the original mess and compare before you say that: https://mega.nz/file/gc8w0TxJ#K37Fk5fb4q3MqfRL578rD-gRCl0P05Zh3V03Rd8wmrw

We've been using CGYWOOM abbreviation for 10+ years now, so I'm just used to typing it. I'll cut the C next time for you, since it bothered you so much that you had to correct me

Your version sounds better - but it sounding better, doesn't prove it's a different source. Both might as well be from the same source, where as the "lq" version was purposely messed up perhaps?

 

[kai]

We've been using CGYWOOM abbreviation for 10+ years now, so I'm just used to typing it. I'll cut the C next time for you, since it bothered you so much that you had to correct me

Your version sounds better - but it sounding better, doesn't prove it's a different source. Both might as well be from the same source, where as the "lq" version was purposely messed up perhaps?

I can confirm that none of the leaks is the real better quality source. Just attempts.

 

[Pentum]

I can confirm that none of the leaks is the real better quality source. Just attempts.

That's what I assumed. Do you assume the hq source will leak sooner or later this year?

Now that the song is out in mq, surely, one of you would think the song deserves to be heard in proper quality instead by now. I know I would

 

[kai]

That's what I assumed. Do you assume the hq source will leak sooner or later this year?

Now that the song is out in mq, surely, one of you would think the song deserves to be heard in proper quality instead by now. I know I would

I would upload it if I was allowed to. I bet it will leak..

 

[NetflexKing]

I'm sorry, Danzberg, but you are wrong. I did not state an opinion. Your AI-generated songs are indeed fabricated and the dataset you've created to make them is flooded with copyrighted MJ material. It's entirely unacceptable for you to claim legal ownership of these tracks.

If you really believe that A.I. is illegal and unethical then 99% of MJ material on YouTube should be deleted, including covers, tribute videos, lyric videos etc. And following the laws the Cascio Tracks for 8 damn years were more legitimate than a Dirty Diana Remix by Azura for example.

 

[kai]

If you really believe that A.I. is illegal and unethical then 99% of MJ material on YouTube should be deleted, including covers, tribute videos, lyric videos etc. And following the laws the Cascio Tracks for 8 damn years were more legitimate than a Dirty Diana Remix by Azura for example.

11 years

 

[alanram]

How about you showing all of us the law that doesn’t allow us to create and enjoy A.I stuff.
For now the copyright-law for A.I is not existing to my knowledge. If we talk about „ai generated“ stuff I agree that you can’t claim the copyright. But for music which was done b a human 95 % I can claim my copyright. I wrote the words, created the music, played the instruments, sung the vocals. You can like it or not but these songs are mine and even registered at BMI. Just don’t click on A.I stuff if you don’t like it. No reason to destroy the fun for the people who found a passion in it…

These songs being registered at BMI is truly unbelievable, considering that not only the vocals are fabricated, but the melodies, beats, lyrics, and rhythms are all plagiarized. If your intention is to make fan-made content, why would you care about registering your productions at BMI and be tirelessly asserting that you are the legal owner of them? In my view, if your content is fan-made, you should understand that the fans own it as much as you do. Danzberg, it seems that you have always wanted to place yourself on a pedestal among the fans. The "Get Your Weight Off Of Me" statement you made just proves my point. You did NOT want the community to have that item, and you couldn't help but assure that it was not going to leak "anytime soon". I'm not trying to destroy "your fun", but rather express that what you are doing is fundamentally wrong. No wonder your videos got taken down a while ago. I understand that there are a few people who appreciate your work, but beyond that, do you honestly believe that Michael Jackson's family would be pleased to hear their late relative's voice being fabricated and used in songs he never intended? Danzberg, I've seen some strong statements you made against the Cascio Tracks; don't pretend you're unaware of what is the issue here.

 

[kai]

These songs being registered at BMI is truly unbelievable, considering that not only the vocals are fabricated, but the melodies, beats, lyrics, and rhythms are all plagiarized. If your intention is to make fan-made content, why would you care about registering your productions at BMI and be tirelessly asserting that you are the legal owner of them? In my view, if your content is fan-made, you should understand that the fans own it as much as you do. Danzberg, it seems that you have always wanted to place yourself on a pedestal among the fans. The "Get Your Weight Off Of Me" statement you made just proves my point. You did NOT want the community to have that item, and you couldn't help but assure that it was not going to leak "anytime soon". I'm not trying to destroy "your fun", but rather express that what you are doing is fundamentally wrong. No wonder your videos got taken down a while ago. I understand that there are a few people who appreciate your work, but beyond that, do you honestly believe that Michael Jackson's family would be pleased to hear their late relative's voice being fabricated and used in songs he never intended? Danzberg, I've seen some strong statements you made against the Cascio Tracks; don't pretend you're unaware of what is the issue here.

The way you use my last name to make your points more valid doesn’t work

None of the songs are plagiarized. It’s called “inspiration”. Plagiarism is when the Melodies/chords match exactly with other songs. We are in 2023. For sure you can find songs which sound similar. Same with all other music released nowadays. Examples:
Bruno Mars - Finesse = Remember The Time
Bruno Mars - Chunky = Baby Be Mine

You can even make perfect mash-ups (i did. ages ago on YouTube) Still no Plagiarism.

The BMI works are visible to the public. You can find them.

And with my GYWOOM statement I proved nothing. Just that I was not allowed to leak the song cause the source trusted me. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand.

But you proved that you simply try to attack me in any way you can. And still you haven’t posted any law stuff here to show us that all that stuff is illegal.

 

[Sawyer Grubb]

We've been using CGYWOOM abbreviation for 10+ years now, so I'm just used to typing it. I'll cut the C next time for you, since it bothered you so much that you had to correct me

Your version sounds better - but it sounding better, doesn't prove it's a different source. Both might as well be from the same source, where as the "lq" version was purposely messed up perhaps?

It doesn’t bother me too much just wanted to correct cause a lot of people still say it. The one I linked was the original MQ leak with no fake intro and speed correction, I guess you refer to it as LQ but it’s fine. The one I linked tho is the original leak. The YouTube video also linked here is the one that sounds better. The YouTuber states it is a higher quality version of the leak so not sure. I just know it sounds better. It does make sense how it would be the same source due to the same cuts.

 

[james283126]

It's definitely not MJ. Maybe Teddy Reilly

You clearly don’t know what Michael sounds like then or don’t have enough knowledge about his entire discography. Michael would from time to time make funny voices or change his tonality as a whole. Monkey Business and Serious Effect are clear examples.

 

[alanram]

Deleted due to wrong quoting.

 

[alanram]

The way you use my last name to make your points more valid doesn’t work

None of the songs are plagiarized. It’s called “inspiration”. Plagiarism is when the Melodies/chords match exactly with other songs. We are in 2023. For sure you can find songs which sound similar. Same with all other music released nowadays. Examples:
Bruno Mars - Finesse = Remember The Time
Bruno Mars - Chunky = Baby Be Mine

You can even make perfect mash-ups (i did. ages ago on YouTube) Still no Plagiarism.

The BMI works are visible to the public. You can find them.

And with my GYWOOM statement I proved nothing. Just that I was not allowed to leak the song cause the source trusted me. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand.

But you proved that you simply try to attack me in any way you can. And still you haven’t posted any law stuff here to show us that all that stuff is illegal.

I'm not using your last name to make my points "more valid". I'm using your last name because it's essentially your name. That's how I typically refer to people. I can't quite understand why you felt offended by that. Regardless, if you truly believe that your work is original and that you should be the legal owner of these productions, it might be wise to consult someone with a deeper understanding of legal matters. Currently, there's no specific law against the use of AI-generated vocals created from copyrighted material, given that this is a new area of concern. Yet, several artists who've had their voices "cloned" have expressed their displeasure, which has led to numerous AI songs being delisted from Spotify. If you do believe your creative input represents 95% of what these tracks are, why not release them with your own vocals and name, rather than questionably linking them to Michael Jackson? Danzberg, it's important to realize that Michael Jackson was a human being. While he might no longer be among us, his family is. Sometimes, regardless if the fans love it, you should weigh how respectful your actions are towards Michael Jackson as an individual. Would he have approved this? How does his family feel about your illegal AI creations? It's something worth reflecting on.

 

[Richard76]

You clearly don’t know what Michael sounds like then or don’t have enough knowledge about his entire discography. Michael would from time to time make funny voices or change his tonality as a whole. Monkey Business and Serious Effect are clear examples.

The point is that in Serious Effect and Monkey Business he sounds like himself. I know, that he like time to time change his voice, but I can't believe that's it's him. I mean, even Malachi's voice sounded more similar to Michael's.

 

[OnirMJ]

I have a link of a compilation of snippets, not that exact video. But I can send the collection of snippets.

Please send. DM or post somewhere. Thanks!

 

[kai]

I'm not using your last name to make my points "more valid". I'm using your last name because it's essentially your name. That's how I typically refer to people. I can't quite understand why you felt offended by that. Regardless, if you truly believe that your work is original and that you should be the legal owner of these productions, it might be wise to consult someone with a deeper understanding of legal matters. Currently, there's no specific law against the use of AI-generated vocals created from copyrighted material, given that this is a new area of concern. Yet, several artists who've had their voices "cloned" have expressed their displeasure, which has led to numerous AI songs being delisted from Spotify. If you do believe your creative input represents 95% of what these tracks are, why not release them with your own vocals and name, rather than questionably linking them to Michael Jackson? Danzberg, it's important to realize that Michael Jackson was a human being. While he might no longer be among us, his family is. Sometimes, regardless if the fans love it, you should weigh how respectful your actions are towards Michael Jackson as an individual. Would he have approved this? How does his family feel about your illegal AI creations? It's something worth reflecting on.

You already lost the convo but didn’t realize it