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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
So this just proves my point, that the Casio tracks weren't actually the worst thing ever made or whatever. They had decent bones. Lyrics were juvenile obviously, and the vocals ugh. But the songs themselves were cool.

Now I wanna hear Monster.
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100%. The melodies are really catchy. If a songwriter of Michael's caliber wrote lyrics to this music, these songs would be great.

Burn Tonight is my favorite. Imagine that with a real MJ vocal, and authentic MJ harmonies in the choruses. 🤯
 
filmandmusic said:
@Hollywood_Tonight @Alec

can you perhaps post a song by cascio or someone else that reminds you of what you heard on either monster and or water?
Thank you both for your opinions of the songs
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I haven’t heard “Water” yet so I can’t comment on this one, but “Monster” reminds me of the Cascio tracks on the Michael album. Similar percussion sounds and heavy layering, but the song is still very much its own thing. I felt the song had almost too much going on, but that’s just my opinion. I think this mix is a good example of how the odd/unusual sounds are combined with heavy percussion:
 
filmandmusic said:
@Hollywood_Tonight @Alec

can you perhaps post a song by cascio or someone else that reminds you of what you heard on either monster and or water?
Thank you both for your opinions of the songs
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Monster sounds like Monster! (again, different song but similar vibe).

There's nothing like Water in MJ's catalog. A song that kind of reminds me of it (again, it's not really similar) is I Won't Desert You by Ricky Martin. They're totally different but kind of "weird" in the same way? They could be on the same album, I Won't Desert You being the uptempo and Water the midtempo/ballad. The snippet of Water recorded at a seminar is real, it just doesn't at all capture the uniqueness of the different sounds MJ used to construct the rhythm.
 
Alec said:
Monster sounds like Monster! (again, different song but similar vibe).

There's nothing like Water in MJ's catalog. A song that kind of reminds me of it (again, it's not really similar) is I Won't Desert You by Ricky Martin. They're totally different but kind of "weird" in the same way? They could be on the same album, I Won't Desert You being the uptempo and Water the midtempo/ballad. The snippet of Water recorded at a seminar is real, it just doesn't at all capture the uniqueness of the different sounds MJ used to construct the rhythm.
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That’s a great song, I’ve never heard it before! I heard the seminar recording of “Water” doesn’t do the song justice, but the full seminar recording is currently being traded and will likely leak soon.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
That’s a great song, I’ve never heard it before! I heard the seminar recording of “Water” doesn’t do the song justice, but the full seminar recording is currently being traded and will likely leak soon.
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I heard from second party that the deal is off. No leak of those recordings are being traded.
 
@Alec do you happen to know the name of this song that Korgnex shared? It sounds like one of the songs from the 2000's imo.
 
If Monster sounds like the cascio track then people who have been describing it over the years have been totally wrong lol.

Also I'm kinda doubting this myself as this is the first time anyone who claims to have heard it is saying this.
 
Such a tease how there seems to be a high number of MJ fans who have heard so much of Michael's last years of work, while we "mortals" are just sitting here everyday with our mouths watering, no hope in the useless Estate whatsoever.

Money talks (as always). Give me money and I'll fly over to the US and have a listening session at the copyright office :coffee:
 
Pentum said:
Such a tease how there seems to be a high number of MJ fans who have heard so much of Michael's last years of work, while we "mortals" are just sitting here everyday with our mouths watering, no hope in the useless Estate whatsoever.

Money talks (as always). Give me money and I'll fly over to the US and have a listening session at the copyright office :coffee:
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I'm honestly just starting to not believe people when they say they've heard something lol. Pretty easy to just say that and there's been a lot of it recently.
 
robotchicken14 said:
From what people have said of "Monster" and what we have heard of "Water", I don't think it would be a reach to say that Cascio not only heard, but was actively mimicking the production of MJ's final work with his tracks
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I Strongly believe that. Not only in terms of music but also the theme. For example Dark Lady could be the inspiration for Black Widow (thematically).
 
Pentum said:
Such a tease how there seems to be a high number of MJ fans who have heard so much of Michael's last years of work, while we "mortals" are just sitting here everyday with our mouths watering, no hope in the useless Estate whatsoever.

Money talks (as always). Give me money and I'll fly over to the US and have a listening session at the copyright office :coffee:
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It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
 
Alec said:
It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
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Did you heard dark lady ?
 
Question, its a bit unrelated but
So there are two different recordings of tyla, the full leak from the seminar, and then a much higher quality snippet(s) from the bridge and chorus, was the higher quality snippets actually recorded in full?
 
robotchicken14 said:
From what people have said of "Monster" and what we have heard of "Water", I don't think it would be a reach to say that Cascio not only heard, but was actively mimicking the production of MJ's final work with his tracks
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Monster we can't comment too much on yet, but for Water, try turning up the tempo of the songs and it will sound similar to the real Water. Definitely suspicious (thought pretty irrelevant in the end)



Alec said:
It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
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It's baffling, man. It seems like one of their tactics is to just wait for everyone who worked with Michael, to pass away, which is happening at a rapid rate unfortunately. They're so soulless..

Neat piece of information regarding David Michael Frank... Hopefully he will share more information about it sooner or later before he also passes away. Spill it all out
 
Alec said:
It absolutely sucks. And I hate that Michael's final work--his classical album--will never see the light of day. There's no way to pay to hear that since it only exists as notes, recorded discussions, and voice memos.

What makes it an absolute tragedy in my eyes is that compared to Michael's unfinished pop songs, there's someone who knows exactly how to put it together... in a way indistinguishable from how it would have been done in 2009! In fact, the day Michael died, this person was waiting for the budget approval to hire an orchestra to record the music. Had MJ died a week later and signed off on that budget, we would have had a 45-minute classical album.

The moment David Michael Frank--the composer MJ hired to orchestrate these pieces--is gone, the chance of that music ever seeing the light of day will be gone too. He's 75 years old. The Estate never got back to him.

What a shame, really. What a shame to rob the world of hearing something so unique, created by one of the greatest musicians of all time in the final 8 weeks of his life. Yes, Michael hired David just two months before his death.

"For one of them, he had a whole section of it done in his head," Frank told Billboard. "He had not recorded it. He hummed it to me as I sat at the keyboard in his pool house and we figured it out together – I guess this recording I made is the only copy that exists of this music."
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I weep. Seriously, this would be a dream to hear these compositions. A Michael Jackson classical album. Imagine???

*sigh*
 
You just know how good the classical music would be. Michael had an ear for epic, sweeping and emotional music, the music for childhood is enough proof of that. We are being robbed of a unique and great piece of music no doubt. It would be the final proof needed for those who say he is only a pop singer.
 
filmandmusic said:
You just know how good the classical music would be. Michael had an ear for epic, sweeping and emotional music, the music for childhood is enough proof of that. We are being robbed of a unique and great piece of music no doubt. It would be the final proof needed for those who say he is only a pop singer.
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I don't know if you have heard the multitracks for Earth Song - as we know, that song is gargantuan, but when I heard the multitracks, I was speechless.

I would have loved to hear him create filmscores as well. He was a walking jukebox, really.
 
From my notes. David Michael Frank speaking about the classical album...

"I laid the music all out on my computer and started on the orchestrations. My guess is that each piece would be seven to ten minutes long. Each one is more substantial than a song. It’s very pretty music. One piece had an Irish quality about it. I suggested that we could use a Celtic harp. The pieces sound like pretty film score music, with very traditional harmony, and definitely very strong melodies. One of them was a little John Barry-ish, like in Out of Africa — that kind of John Barry score. Sweeping strings and French horns in unison."

"I told Michael I was going to use one of Leonard Bernstein’s batons I had bought at auction when we did the recording. I knew he would have gotten a big kick out of that. I guess I still will use that baton if I ever get to conduct the music."
 
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