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Thriller 40th Anniversary

AlwaysThere said:
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

I’ll gladly endure a 7-day trial of Paramount+ to watch the documentary. No idea why so many people view that as an issue.
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For me it's because you need P+ and the Showtime add-on. I already have P+ because of Star Trek but now I gotta pay more just to watch this one thing lol. Unless they have a trial for the Showtime add-on, that is... Will check once it gets closer to December.

Despite that, I'm just glad that it's on a major platform. I was beginning to worry that LN nuked any chance of a mainstream release of any future MJ stuff. Kinda surprising that it's Paramount though, since that's owned by Viacom, which also owns CBS, and I remember CBS doing a LOT of press for LN when it came out. Guess they had a change of heart?
 
i bet we are getting a full song from the victory tour show that appears throughout
probably one of the four from thriller (wbss, human nature, beat it, billie jean)
 
KOPV said:
For those upset that the Thriller 40 documentary is going to be on Paramount + Showtime and not Netflix; Don't forget that Netflix has a distribution agreement with HBO and would be a conflict of interest. Also the Paramount + Showtime, though is considered a "premium" plan; it's the one most users use. It does not just include Showtime, it rids ads, includes Live TV, & the content is downloadable.
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The Off The Wall doc was on Showtime too, it makes sense.
 
Whatever said:
i bet we are getting a full song from the victory tour show that appears throughout
probably one of the four from thriller (wbss, human nature, beat it, billie jean)
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In 4k film quality....idc what it is...long as it's in full which in 58min...I doubt it. It should've been 2hrs long like bad25!
 
Whatever said:
i bet we are getting a full song from the victory tour show that appears throughout
probably one of the four from thriller (wbss, human nature, beat it, billie jean)
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I don't expect there were no complete songs in other documentaries
 
On a side note, according to IMDB, the running time is 90min. It's the shortest one (OTW is 96min and Bad 25 is 131min).
Wonder how that will affect the narrative as it seems too short for me.
 
MJbr2 said:
On a side note, according to IMDB, the running time is 90min. It's the shortest one (OTW is 96min and Bad 25 is 131min).
Wonder how that will affect the narrative as it seems too short for me.
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It needs to be released with the tour or something....why restore only to show 5-10 seconds of clips....WE NEED A BOXSET OF UNRELEASED FOOTAGE BRANCA!! WE ARENT GONNA LIVE FOREVER!
 
wonderouzmj said:
It needs to be released with the tour or something....why restore only to show 5-10 seconds of clips....WE NEED A BOXSET OF UNRELEASED FOOTAGE BRANCA!! WE ARENT GONNA LIVE FOREVER!
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It's deeper than that, my guy. Of course they have scanned all the reels of Victory footage, but they need clearance from the brothers, which I don't think will happen anytime soon.
 
Yeah, like every pre Bad Tour isn't an MJ tour, it's a Jacksons tour. So it's locked away behind a bunch of politics, namely, them being greedy pigs. We've got a Bad Tour, quality notwithstanding. Hopefully we'll get another. Weve been had a Dangerous tour. Another would also be cool. We were this close to a HIStory tour. We've been spared.

But I mean, this stuff is also already all over YouTube, that can't be coincidence.
 
MJbr2 said:
It's deeper than that, my guy. Of course they have scanned all the reels of Victory footage, but they need clearance from the brothers, which I don't think will happen anytime soon.
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Wtf are they expecting? Millions? This is a real head scratcher because like
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah, like every pre Bad Tour isn't an MJ tour, it's a Jacksons tour. So it's locked away behind a bunch of politics, namely, them being greedy pigs. We've got a Bad Tour, quality notwithstanding. Hopefully we'll get another. Weve been had a Dangerous tour. Another would also be cool. We were this close to a HIStory tour. We've been spared.

But I mean, this stuff is also already all over YouTube, that can't be coincidence.
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At this point I just give up hope as long as branca is in charge with everything. I don't understand wtf is wrong with that guy
 
wonderouzmj said:
Wtf are they expecting? Millions? This is a real head scratcher because like

At this point I just give up hope as long as branca is in charge with everything. I don't understand wtf is wrong with that guy
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You're missing the point.

This is barely Brancas fault. Prime 80s MJ is the biggest value the estate has. Any hangups is entirely the brothers fault.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
You're missing the point.

This is barely Brancas fault. Prime 80s MJ is the biggest value the estate has. Any hangups is entirely the brothers fault.
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Do you not realize how much the brothers hate & don't deal with the estate mainly because of the fake will
 
wonderouzmj said:
Do you not realize how much the brothers hate & don't deal with the estate mainly because of the fake will
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I've said this before, but "aw shit here we go again":

ALL of the 35mm footage from Victory was shot by Patrick Kelly who was hired by MJ himself, so the Estate owns the footage solely. Most of the setlist consists of MJs solo songs.
With that in mind, if Branca ever decided to put out a Victory show from them negatives, for the reasons listed above, he'd want the bigger cut and probably release it under MJs name.

However, Victory was a Jacksons tour and they were also under Epic, not to mention Jermaine, who was a "guest". They'd not have to put any work onto the project, but given the facts I said up there, do you really think they'd agree to have the Estate market this as a MJ release and have the bigger cut? I'm sure not, neither would the Estate do anything in different terms.

See now?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Jackie is literally an Estate Liaison. It's strictly Jermaine and Randy who have been egregious and difficult to deal with.

And the will is not fake.
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WHAT?????? PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW MJ SIGNED HIS WILL IN L.A WHILE IN NEW YORK IN A SPAN ON 2DAYS??? He was already in for 3days i think in n.y.c with al sharpton & nem, the date of the will is at the same time yet he supposedly flew to l.a just to sign the will & then back to nyc in 2days?? Yeah ok & what has Jackie & marlon really done other than interviews & I can understand randy issue but jermaine....really?? He ain't gone sue nobody for nothing in America. It's not like we're tryna see a victory tour because of jermaine & they all know that but I understand the pie situation with them all but releasing 1 or 2 jackson shows aren't hurting the political views on it so far as them. I'm sure they would love to see it as well. Idk who even came up with this "the brothers said/want this" that's just some fanmade crap. Just like mj & stevie performing jgf. I think it's just rumors but that "will" thing....& branca being ceo after being fired by the man himself & the brothers have no input or say so over there little brothers estate with some of thier material as well is kinda messed up imo.
 
MJbr2 said:
I've said this before, but "aw shit here we go again":

ALL of the 35mm footage from Victory was shot by Patrick Kelly who was hired by MJ himself, so the Estate owns the footage solely. Most of the setlist consists of MJs solo songs.
With that in mind, if Branca ever decided to put out a Victory show from them negatives, for the reasons listed above, he'd want the bigger cut and probably release it under MJs name.

However, Victory was a Jacksons tour and they were also under Epic, not to mention Jermaine, who was a "guest". They'd not have to put any work onto the project, but given the facts I said up there, do you really think they'd agree to have the Estate market this as a MJ release and have the bigger cut? I'm sure not, neither would the Estate do anything in different terms.

See now?
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I agree with everything you said here. I guess we were typing at the same time but trust me I get this 1000% I just said this... in so many other words lol
 
The Jacksons FB page hinted at release back in 2017. I think the issue is more about the estate having to pay everyone. Remember that victory tour report where the reporter names all of the parties involved (people that nobody even heard of).
I agree though, why show us this footage without releasing it in full.
 
Robbsaber01 said:
The Jacksons FB page hinted at release back in 2017. I think the issue is more about the estate having to pay everyone. Remember that victory tour report where the reporter names all of the parties involved (people that nobody even heard of).
I agree though, why show us this footage without releasing it in full.
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They did it in 2016 with the Off The Wall documentary. All that footage of LA '81, and the Destiny shows. All sitting there gathering dust.
 
wonderouzmj said:
I agree with everything you said here. I guess we were typing at the same time but trust me I get this 1000% I just said this... in so many other words lol
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Honestly, I'd say it's more than fair to release a Victory show under Michael's name. The man hired the filming crew and paid them out of his own money, most of the songs were his own and, let's face facts, it was basically a tour for Thriller and everybody bought tickets to see Michael.
 
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