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What would be a realistic course of Michael's life from 2009 to present if he hadn't died?

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If Michael hadn't died and if he were still alive today, what do you think could have happened since then?
I don't mean fan wishful thinking like he's released multiple #1 albums or toured for a number of years.
How do you realistically assess the course of his private life and his career?
 
I think he would have pursued other things in art. Maybe he would write or create musicals, soundtrack involvement, classical music. I am sure he would still try to score acting parts (without success mind) He would have been busy and creative that is for sure.

Most of his time could possibly go to humanitarian efforts. He would have done something for Turkey (earth quake) for example

I really don’t think he would be making pop albums in his 60s
 
oh, one of those coulda woulda shoulda! How does it matter 🤷‍♀️
I wish he had survived that night, it could have been a wakeup call for him to get off dangerous drugs and find some other way to deal with stress. Completed some or all of planned TII. Then probably gotten into movies. Though he was good at reinventing himself, so we might have gotten another album.
 
It's kind of important for me to hear your thoughts on this because maybe it would have been worse for him had he lived. And then I might come to the conclusion that it's good the way it is.

Unfortunately, I believe that Michale's life would not have taken a turn for the better, even if it looked like it in 2009. He had immense debts that could only have been settled through the tour and further subsequent tours.
But sooner or later he would certainly not have been able to continue and everything would have collapsed on him. He also had a tendency not to keep contracts and he would certainly have breached the contract with AEG at some point. More debts, more lawsuits and extreme payments to various lawyers (see the bodyguards' book).
He might even have lost custody of his children at some point. I think Michael would have lived a life on the run like he has since 2005. And once he was down, the likes of Wade Robson would probably have crawled out and staged another high profile trial.
I don't think Michael would have gotten much into producing music and films. Maybe 1-2 new songs, maybe a duet with Justin Bieber or Will.I.Am.
But it is also well known that he was not very reliable with his partners in the music industry in the last years of his life.
I believe the downward spiral would have continued and Michael would still be taking painkillers and feeling infinitely sad to this day.
But it's interesting to read what you guys think about it.
 
If thinking that makes you sleep better and make peace with his death, go ahead. That is all we have left now, coping mechanisms :cry: If one is alive, there is always a chance to make a change and improve your life (health problems being an exception).
 
in 2010s and 2020s if Michael was still alive he could’ve become a lower tenor/higher baritone after high tenor in 1970s, light tenor/high tenor in 1980s and 1990s; regular tenor in 2000s
 
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djlukesw said:
It's kind of important for me to hear your thoughts on this because maybe it would have been worse for him had he lived. And then I might come to the conclusion that it's good the way it is.

Unfortunately, I believe that Michale's life would not have taken a turn for the better, even if it looked like it in 2009. He had immense debts that could only have been settled through the tour and further subsequent tours.
But sooner or later he would certainly not have been able to continue and everything would have collapsed on him. He also had a tendency not to keep contracts and he would certainly have breached the contract with AEG at some point. More debts, more lawsuits and extreme payments to various lawyers (see the bodyguards' book).
He might even have lost custody of his children at some point. I think Michael would have lived a life on the run like he has since 2005. And once he was down, the likes of Wade Robson would probably have crawled out and staged another high profile trial.
I don't think Michael would have gotten much into producing music and films. Maybe 1-2 new songs, maybe a duet with Justin Bieber or Will.I.Am.
But it is also well known that he was not very reliable with his partners in the music industry in the last years of his life.
I believe the downward spiral would have continued and Michael would still be taking painkillers and feeling infinitely sad to this day.
But it's interesting to read what you guys think about it.
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Sadly, I have to agree with most of this. Michael was a musical genius, and his main two loves were music and children (especially his own regarding both). But when it came to the so-called "adult" world, he had this reflex of always trying like mad to avoid it. On the surface level, I completely understand why; so many grown people mocked, took unjust advantage, and ultimately branded him a pedophile based on tabloid trash and an extremely egotistical Santa Barbara D.A. Aside from his own family, there weren't a lot of people Michael believed he could truly trust; even LaToya made false accusations due to the influence of her domineering husband Jack Gordon. She married him in 1989, but then divorced him in the late 1990s. She reconciled with Michael and the rest of her family, but it wasn't until after Jack's death in 2005 that she was able to embrace her freedom.

By the time he made the deal with AEG for the "This Is It" tour, his health was already going severely downhill. Just eight years prior, he had done the famous two shows at Madison Square Garden, but he almost missed them because he was on so many drugs due to his lifelong chronic insomnia. The stress of that just made his current addictions worse, and sadly the entire situation ultimately killed him. I personally never met him, and I didn't get to see him perform live either. But his music was a constant presence in my life, and when I learned he had passed it was like the sharpest sword hitting me directly in the heart. I know it probably sounds creepy to some people, but on that day I felt that I had truly lost a close friend.
 
The problem with Michael Jackson was that he kept denying any drug intervention from his family (as confirmed by members of the Jackson family).

Each time the Jackson family tried to intervene, Michael Jackson would shut them down.

So, even if he survived that night, he would have died in one of the following days (given his drug habits, Propofol, etc).

In case he gave up drugs and he continued to live, he would have become even more eccentric with a secluded lifestyle (just like the American business magnate Howard Hughes).
 
mj_frenzy said:
The problem with Michael Jackson was that he kept denying any drug intervention from his family (as confirmed by members of the Jackson family).

Each time the Jackson family tried to intervene, Michael Jackson would shut them down.

So, even if he survived that night, he would have died in one of the following days (given his drug habits, Propofol, etc).

In case he gave up drugs and he continued to live, he would have become even more eccentric with a secluded lifestyle (just like the American business magnate Howard Hughes).
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I don´t think you can (or even should) force any person via a "intervention" to seek help, (except minors; I guess). And in Michael´s case (if he really was alienated from his family) it is totally understandable he was wary of any forced actions from their side.

Just imagine, it probably would have done even more damage to his health to be overpowered and forced into a treatment :-(
 
bluemoon7 said:
I don´t think you can (or even should) force any person via a "intervention" to seek help, (except minors; I guess). And in Michael´s case (if he really was alienated from his family) it is totally understandable he was wary of any forced actions from their side.

Just imagine, it probably would have done even more damage to his health to be overpowered and forced into a treatment :-(
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If the end goal is to save someone's life, I think its justified. If being forced into treatment would have helped him stop using propofol then I consider that a big win. At the end of the day, it could of been prevented had someone actually helped him.

It's hard to say what would of happened if he was still here. TII would of helped with his debts. I could see another album also. Possibly more directing/producing. I think Taj was right when he said he wasn't sure how MJ would fit in the current "social media" world. All I know is, the world would be a better place with him here.
 
I think he would have toured This Is It, released several singles leading to an album. 2009-2011.
After that I imagine he'd have made enough money to relax and enjoy being a parent to his kids

Maybe another new album way down the line and perhaps his classical pieces could have been used in film scores?

I think he would have chose to retire early, given his decades in the spotlight and his money troubles in his later years.

I would have loved him to have come back and dominate the industry one last time and then be able to rest and retire in peace. Enjoy the family life he always wanted
 
What would be a realistic course of Michael's life from 2009 to present if he hadn't died?
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2011 new album:
produced by Timbaland, will.i.am, Ne-Yo, Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz, RedOne
feat. Rihanna, Cee Lo Green, Snoop Dogg
 
It's impossible to know and most of his fans have no idea what that'd actually look like. It'd start with spirituality for sure, everything else would just kind of follow from there.
 
I mean we already know what he was planning to do with TII and beyond. He was going to continue the tour elsewhere, continue working on and finishing his in progress music, releasing them as singles. A televised Halloween special was also planned in 2009. Anything other than that isn't really known, and with MJ I think it's quite hard to predict what he would end up doing. He often said that he wanted to do films, but never did and kept going back to music, so I don't think him doing that would be a given.

I personally think he'd probably still be releasing music every now and again, likely as singles like he was planning and like a lot of artists do nowadays. Maybe he would have pursued his interest in movies along the way. We'll never know, really.
 
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Jermaine mentioned a world tour, a reunion with the J5, a Superbowl in 2011, and eventually doing film.
 
I know the Jacksons have talked about a J5 reunion tour with MJ - but I am very sure that would have never happend.

They all used MJ's name to promote them self after MJ died. Still do really. But MJ would have never wanted to go back to J5 and tour with the brothers. - I think maybe to some TII concerts they could join him on stage for the J5-medley, but thats it.
 
I think he wouldve done this is it then retired as he probably wouldve made alot of money to pay off his debts
 
Hess said:
I know the Jacksons have talked about a J5 reunion tour with MJ - but I am very sure that would have never happend.

They all used MJ's name to promote them self after MJ died. Still do really. But MJ would have never wanted to go back to J5 and tour with the brothers. - I think maybe to some TII concerts they could join him on stage for the J5-medley, but thats it.
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8701girl said:
that is jermaine's wishful thinking
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Their mom loved seeing them together so for her sake, he would end up doing even if he didn't really want to. There's no time table on when or how long though. Doubt it'd be a real "world tour".

Them joining the J5 Medley would definitely be viable perhaps. I'd personally rather see Janet join for Scream.
 
I think he would have spent his time raising his kids, and he certainly would have more control over their social media accounts (if he would have allowed them to have any). I think he would have still have them homeschooled.

As far as music, he would have certainly done his best efforts for the This Is It shows.
 
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What would be a realistic course of Michael's life from 2009 to present if he hadn't died?
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2011:
This Is Really It World Tour

2012:
Bad 25 with some remixes

2022:
Thriller 40 with some remixes

movie projects:
about youth/childhood
about climate change
 
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Hot_Street said:
2011 new album:
produced by Timbaland, will.i.am, Ne-Yo, Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz, RedOne
feat. Rihanna, Cee Lo Green, Snoop Dogg
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I can definitely see Michael working with Timbaland. Timbaland made some game-changing bangers in the 2000s-2010s ("The Way You Are") and he would have done excellent work for Michael (like he did for "Slave To The Rhythm").
 
I mean, realistically I'm not even sure he'd finish This is It. That was a crazy idea even for a young, healthy person IMO.

But assuming he had, I could see him doing some singles here and there, or maybe finishing up some of his unfinished work. Maybe getting some credits in some stage or film productions. But I think he probably would have hidden himself away from the public eye at some point. Maybe that's me coping but I often think to myself, "well even if he was alive he'd probably be living a private life away from the public, not doing anything new anyway."
 
bluemoon7 said:
I don´t think you can (or even should) force any person via a "intervention" to seek help, (except minors; I guess). And in Michael´s case (if he really was alienated from his family) it is totally understandable he was wary of any forced actions from their side.

Just imagine, it probably would have done even more damage to his health to be overpowered and forced into a treatment :-(
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Note that in the past an intervention helped him fight his addiction to certain drugs and painkillers.

Right after the abrupt end of his Dangerous Tour (in 1993), his close friend Elizabeth Taylor insisted that the singer should enter a rehab program.

Michael Jackson then began his drug addiction treatment in certain places (such as, at a resort of Avoriaz in France, at a London clinic, etc).

Michael Jackson at that time was not a minor, but an adult man and the treatment was successful making him thus able to continue with his life and career.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Their mom loved seeing them together so for her sake, he would end up doing even if he didn't really want to. There's no time table on when or how long though. Doubt it'd be a real "world tour".

Them joining the J5 Medley would definitely be viable perhaps. I'd personally rather see Janet join for Scream.
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I know she did but michael hated it
 

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