MJ's consumption habits

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in 1978 Michael sang this on Destiny:
Happiness ain't always material things
2 decades later material things seem to be very important to him:

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I found a study that might make sense regarding his consumption habits:
Childhood trauma and compulsive buying
Objective: Childhood trauma has been empirically associated with various types of self-regulatory difficulties in adulthood. However, according to the extant literature, no study has examined relationships between various types of childhood trauma and compulsive buying behavior in adulthood.
Results: All forms of trauma demonstrated statistically significant correlations with the CBS. Using a linear regression analysis, both witnessing violence and emotional abuse significantly contributed to CBS scores. Further analyses indicated that race did not moderate the relationship between childhood trauma and compulsive buying.
Conclusions: Findings indicate that various forms of childhood trauma are correlated with compulsive buying behavior, particularly witnessing violence and emotional abuse.
 
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Yeah, wasn´t that "staged" or a bit like a prank / middle finger to fool "Batshit"?
I guess he really spent a lot of money based on court documents:
Michael Jackson had accumulated more than half a billion dollars of debt when he died in 2009, new court documents reveal.
As the Los Angeles Times documented, the accountant explained that Jackson spent exorbitantly on jewelry – though he also bought art, furniture and gifts as well as traveled and donated money to charity.
 
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I guess he really spent a lot of money based on court documents:

I heard that he had to spend a LOT on lawyers and general costs surrounding the trial during a time when he was not touring / selling new music.

But, yeah, I have my doubts that this alone broke him financially.
 
please stop these pointless threads....
Why should it be nonsensical to question a change of mind regarding material things?
That would only be pointless if you already knew the answer, wouldn't it?
His consumer behavior will probably also play a role in the biopic, since we know about a Toys R Us scene. It can't be that unimportant.
Ultimately, his consumption led to him having to make This Is It because he was in deep debt. How can you not question his consumer behavior?
 
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"Happiness ain't always material things"
2 decades later material things seem to be very important to him:
But both of these things can be true. Michael can love sitting in his Giving Tree and he can also appreciate having enough money to build a library with 10,000 books in it. Those things can co-exist in one person's life. Some of the books he had were first editions so they would be expensive. That's OK. He worked extremely hard for his money, it's OK for him to spend it on nice things. He gave away loads of dosh, he bought stuff for other people and he spent a lot on himself and his home. He spent money rescuing animals from circuses or whatever. Seems fine to me.

 
"Happiness ain't always material things"

2 decades later material things seem to be very important to him:
But both of these things can be true. Michael can love sitting in his Giving Tree and he can also appreciate having enough money to build a library with 10,000 books in it. Those things can co-exist in one person's life. Some of the books he had were first editions so they would be expensive. That's OK. He worked extremely hard for his money, it's OK for him to spend it on nice things. He gave away loads of dosh, he bought stuff for other people and he spent a lot on himself and his home. He spent money rescuing animals from circuses or whatever. Seems fine to me.
you are right
When I watched the video with Bashir and saw his debts in 2009, I had the impression that he enjoyed consumption relatively much.
I found a study that might make sense regarding his consumption habits:
Childhood trauma and compulsive buying
Objective: Childhood trauma has been empirically associated with various types of self-regulatory difficulties in adulthood. However, according to the extant literature, no study has examined relationships between various types of childhood trauma and compulsive buying behavior in adulthood.
Results: All forms of trauma demonstrated statistically significant correlations with the CBS. Using a linear regression analysis, both witnessing violence and emotional abuse significantly contributed to CBS scores. Further analyses indicated that race did not moderate the relationship between childhood trauma and compulsive buying.
Conclusions: Findings indicate that various forms of childhood trauma are correlated with compulsive buying behavior, particularly witnessing violence and emotional abuse.
 
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you are right
When I watched the video with Bashir and saw his debts in 2009, I had the impression that he enjoyed consumption relatively much.
I found a study that might make sense regarding his consumption habits:



Mm, see, this is where we would part company. I'm not denying the accuracy of this type of psychological research. It has its place and Pub Med is usually meticulous in only publishing legit academic research. My problem is, I'm not comfortable discussing Michael's personal life. Which might seem inconsistent given that I've just commented in this thread about Michael spending money but also loving the simple things in life (Giving Tree, for example).

I take your earlier point about the biopic including a scene in Toys 'R Us (assuming the scene doesn't get cut from the final version) but I still don't think it's a good thing to be dissecting Michael when we didn't know him and we are not trained psychotherapeutic professionals. No judgement on anyone who is interested in this stuff but, for me, we very quickly get to a point where it feels too intrusive and inappropriate.

Michael worked really hard, he was a rich person, he had a rich person's spending habits. I don't personally feel the need to dig below the surface of that. Also, his financial affairs were very complicated. None of us is ever going to know the forensic detail of his finances, good or bad.

I don't feel the need to know Michael in this way. I'm happy just to have him in my life as an artist.
 
I don't feel the need to know Michael in this way. I'm happy just to have him in my life as an artist.
I'm particularly interested in this because his consumer behavior contributed to a certain extent to his early death.
Without his excessive consumption he wouldn't have had to do TII because he wouldn't have had any debt.
 
@Hot_Street, that was purely a publicity stunt on the singer's part in the antique store.

It has been said that he later returned most of these expensive items that he had seemingly bought.

Note that Michael Jackson in the early '00s was already a bankrupt man.

He did not even have money to make his 'Invincible' album, and he borrowed money from banks (for making that album) by using his precious ATV Music Publishing Catalogue as collateral.
I heard that he had to spend a LOT on lawyers and general costs surrounding the trial during a time when he was not touring / selling new music.

But, yeah, I have my doubts that this alone broke him financially.
It has been written that the cost of his 2005 trial was 5 million US dollars.
 
He did not even have money to make his 'Invincible' album, and he borrowed money from banks (for making that album) by using his precious ATV Music Publishing Catalogue as collateral.
I doubt it's true, Sony was the one, who funded the whole Invincible album production process. They spent 30 million dollars, because of Michael's demand. They also gave him 5 million (correct me if i'm wrong) for YRMW video. Although Michael was already a bankrupt, he wanted to pay 10 million for Unbreakable video for himself, when Sony refused to give money. Maybe you wanted to say, that he borrowed money from banks to finance Unbreakable video, I think it can be truth. But the whole Invincible production was financed by Sony
 
I doubt it's true, Sony was the one, who funded the whole Invincible album production process. They spent 30 million dollars, because of Michael's demand. They also gave him 5 million (correct me if i'm wrong) for YRMW video. Although Michael was already a bankrupt, he wanted to pay 10 million for Unbreakable video for himself, when Sony refused to give money. Maybe you wanted to say, that he borrowed money from banks to finance Unbreakable video, I think it can be truth. But the whole Invincible production was financed by Sony
Sony Music was not the sole financier for making the 'Invincible' album.

The rest of the money (for making that album) came from those loans that the singer got (mainly from the Bank of America) by using his precious ATV Music Publishing Catalogue as collateral.

Sony Music also defined a specific budget (much lower than 10 million US dollars) for the 'Unbreakable' music video, and the record company even began to finance it.

But during the initial stages of its shooting, Michael Jackson wanted an increased budget for it, but his request was categorically rejected by Sony Music and that led to the cancellation of that music video.
 
Wow. What a topic. A lot can be said about this when you really think about it. This is the first time I've ever seen a topic like this examined on an MJ board. Very intersting to me.

The "Reality" Checks are some things every fan of every entertainer has to eventually face no matter how well we THINK we know them. We forget that every time we see them they're pretty much extremely "rehearsed" and "curated" so its a very fair question.

I was in that song interpretation thread where it was mused that MJ might go to "the hood" if he wanted to meet someone. I find that easy to believe about him. But based on his interviews and lyrics, I'd say, due to his view (my view of his view lol) of economics it would not be to take anyone seriously because I do believe that for MJ happiness was definitely always material things....depending upon what you observe about him...for real.

A degree of "illusion" can be fun while degrees of "delusion" can be sad and dangerous when fans lose sight of reality. The fact is, you/we are a customer first and foremost..and a continuing admirer or "fan" after that...if their publicity remains consistent that is.

Afterall, buying from him is how we know him. He sold. We bought. With money. Little by little. Year in. Year out. Millions of people. NOT by accident. Right?

James Brown, MJ's mentor was known for saying, "your fans are your customers" and you have to please your customers or they will not BUY.

"Sell" means to make them feel, a) they know you, b) they like you and c) they trust you. Google: "the know, like and trust factor"

and most of his audience is not of extreme wealth like he and his associates....a line in a song like, "happiness ain't always material things" is pretty much a must, considering many fans felt they "know" him due to their humble beginnings.

MJ would not need to be a big spender only in Bashir's presence when MJ had a whole Neverland etc. so no I don't see where he did anything just to impress Bashir alone, as much as to perhaps show the world how far he had come.

And in a lot of songs that he wrote himself, like so many other singers of popular R & B music of the day, he's "bribing" chicks with "material" themes/things that many singers of the 90s used in their songs...ie., "I'll give you this" ..."I'll buy you that" and he had rappers in his music echoing those sentiments.... "Condos with elevators in 'em" etc.

...and let's fact it, MJ attracted (maybe intentionally) his fair share of gold diggers if you define "gold diggers" as women who "use" wealthy men to get ahead in life... even those who appeared hard working.

And if you read all the articles that came out before the internet, earlier on, he used the word, "mediocrity" to describe what he didn't want any parts of in his life...articles where he talks about only liking "exotic" animals and not every day dogs and cats (and that sentiment seemed to have changed over time perhaps with having children) and its understandable if you can afford a whole Girraff and a Chimpanzee why would you adopt a dog or cat from a shelter..when you're 15, 20, 25 years old and filthy rich?

The question is, why wouldnt he be "materialistic" given that he was exposed to the highest end of the lap of luxury from age 12, and he was surrounded by people who pursued that degree of luxury with all their might and by any means necessary and so your environment helps create your actual value system, even if it includes greedy selfish devils...

MJ was consequently used for being generous to a fault, by some of those same "rich" people who cared less about him.

How uncomfortable were the early years with eleven people in two rooms in the humid Indiana summers that he may have been a bit "paranoid" of poverty once they made it BIG.

"Hollywood you got a lotta pretty things, I saw a lot of movie stars with diamond rings" or as they said on the Beverly Hillbilly theme, "swimmin pools .... movie stars" so I can just imagine the mental work it had to be to think of a "mediocre" living person as anything but "mediocre" and "the greats" (the rich and famous) and being anything but ("great").

It would also be understandable to me being that, if this is true, his first paycheck (after all those years of toil and rear-end whippins) was reportedly $250k at age 12. . . and with the music industry there's no telling how much of that had to go back after paying for this and that advances....but still....the "material things" is what they used to trap them in the first place...on account of the fact that is exactly what they become addicted to...other than the attention itself.

I can see "happiness ain't always material things" being sent out to a wide audience on a record. Why not? An audience mind you, of mostly "regular" folks who have to buy his records to hear him say "happiness ain't always material things" to a bunch of "poor", "regular", "mediocre" folks.

Remember (or research) how upset MJ was in 1984 that Don King wanted to charge $30 for the Victory tour concert tickets? MJ was so mad that he donated his Victory tour money to charity? How much were Bad tickets 3 years later? Anyone recall? Was he mad about that?

I know people hate to think of someone so very ______ (fill in the blanks of your "image" of him) as MJ being all about money and its so easy to forget that at the end of the day, Michael Jackson, was a (very great, the best ever) salesman. . and one who had to tow a careful line not to insult his main fan base, people for whom happiness was truly not always material things but I think for him it had to be. What choice did he really have...after being so rich for so long after being so "poor" for so long? js

I will probably edit this
 
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