The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

I wonder what it's like to have unreleased stuff of Michael..
Of course I am curious to hear everything MJ did too, and I can imagine it's special to obtain something most people never heard. BUT it also seems like something that can make you feel a bit 'lonely', right? To not enjoy the musics together, share stuff, get kudos, discussion etc..?

Opinions?
I never owned a full unreleased song but I did receive snippets of some unheard tracks weeks before they'd surface online and what you said is spot on—at first, you feel euphoric because you're now in possession of something very few people in the world have. You feel as if you're now part of some secret inner circle. But right afterwards there's that feeling of loneliness, you desperately want to tell people about it, you want to share your excitement and give out info so it can benefit the community but at the same time you're not allowed to say anything and if you don't wanna burn any bridges you just comply.

But once it leaks there's a sense of relief and you're finally able to share your excitement with people. But if you paid for the track I assume it must feel the complete opposite since your investment just went down the drain lol.
 
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I wonder what it's like to have unreleased stuff of Michael..
Of course I am curious to hear everything MJ did too, and I can imagine it's special to obtain something most people never heard. BUT it also seems like something that can make you feel a bit 'lonely', right? To not enjoy the musics together, share stuff, get kudos, discussion etc..?

Opinions?
I was one of the few holding on to the Victory tour. Someone who worked with Michael years before became cool with and sent us copies of the show. We didn't tell anyone because we didn't want to spoil what could've been deemed as a potential release from the Estate but one person started talking about how they had a copy and when no one believed him he uploaded a clip as proof and eventually the entire show. We were upset because it felt like he ruined any future files we would've received.

It's not really lonely because most of the time you forget you have them but I'd never tease it
 
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I NEED THE 2005 all-star version of I Have this dream by Michael Jackson which was produced by Michael Jackson and David Foster
 
I was listening to The Strange Brew podcast, interviewing Terry Britten. I found this pretty interesting, because Rod Temperton is so rarely mentioned regarding the Bad sessions.

Jason: Was it yours and Graham's success with Tina that led to one of your songs being featured on Michael Jackson's Bad album?

Terry: Yeah, I mean that was a fluke as well because Graham and I were in America and we had a chat to Rod Temperton and he said, oh come up to the house, so we were great and this legend, Rod Temperton, for those that don't know him, you know, thriller, off the wall, an amazing songwriter and we went up to his house and he played us all these demos and they were fantastic and he said, well you guys should try and write something because there's no guarantee any of these songs will go on Michael's new album and we said, really? He said, no, no, so we have this Quincy, the engineer, Michael and myself and we tend to pick the songs for the album so he said, go on, give it a go, so we did. Next day we came up with Just Good Friends and we thought, well we flew back home and did a demo, did the demo of this Just Good Friends, sent it back to Rod Temperton and I got a phone call and Rod's from Hull, he's another Northerner, he said, this is really spooky, I said, what? He said, well who's singing the demo? I said, that's me doing a poor imitation of Michael. He said, yeah but some of the lines sound like Stevie Wonder.

I said, well I'm a huge Stevie fan. He said, now the funny thing is, we just decided, sat down and decided he was going to do a duet with Stevie Wonder. We played this song, we went, this is perfect and he said, do you have to change any lyrics? I said, no, it all works, as a duet it works.

So he said, well Michael's determined to write the duet so hang on in there and we'll see what happens. Anyway, a month or so passed, didn't hear anything and the phone rings and he said, Terry, it's Rod here, Michael's had a couple of cracks at this duet and we don't like them so we're going to do yours. So really it was all down to Rod Temperton, totally, that came about.
 
I was listening to The Strange Brew podcast, interviewing Terry Britten. I found this pretty interesting, because Rod Temperton is so rarely mentioned regarding the Bad sessions.
This is great info. So on the Temperton demos, were there MJ vocals? Obviously, Groove of Midnight is one of them. If MJ did record vocals on these Temperton demos, they are probably all gems. Groove of Midnight was good enough to be on the album, I just think MJ wanted to distance himself from Temperton on BAD because he didn't want him to get anymore credit. MJ wanted to do this album mostly on his own. But we need to hear these Temperton tracks meant for BAD. Will we ever get to hear them?? At the very least, I'd like to get some song titles.
 
I was listening to The Strange Brew podcast, interviewing Terry Britten. I found this pretty interesting, because Rod Temperton is so rarely mentioned regarding the Bad sessions.
This is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

As with previous sessions, Rod Temperton had to work on several demos beforehand. Quincy and MJ selected the demos they thought were interesting. I had information that MJ could not modify the song Groove of Midnight as he wanted, and that it was the first and last song for these Bad sessions. It would be really nice to learn more about Rod Temperton's unreleased songs.
 
This is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

As with previous sessions, Rod Temperton had to work on several demos beforehand. Quincy and MJ selected the demos they thought were interesting. I had information that MJ could not modify the song Groove of Midnight as he wanted, and that it was the first and last song for these Bad sessions. It would be really nice to learn more about Rod Temperton's unreleased songs.
We know Temperton used to recycle songs. So I wonder if any of these that didn't make BAD found their way on other albums. The Siedah Garrett album had Groove of Midnight and Got The Hots (Baby's Got it Bad).

So we know OTW used up all Temperton's submissions. But Thriller is missing Roll The Dice. HotStreet and Got The Hots have already leaked. Anything else I am missing? Mystery?

BAD is more unclear besides Groove of Midnight.
 
This is great info. So on the Temperton demos, were there MJ vocals? Obviously, Groove of Midnight is one of them. If MJ did record vocals on these Temperton demos, they are probably all gems. Groove of Midnight was good enough to be on the album, I just think MJ wanted to distance himself from Temperton on BAD because he didn't want him to get anymore credit. MJ wanted to do this album mostly on his own. But we need to hear these Temperton tracks meant for BAD. Will we ever get to hear them?? At the very least, I'd like to get some song titles.
As far as I know, no version of "Groove Of Midnight" with Michael's vocals was found in the vault... As in a proper studio version rather than the rehearsal snippets we have. Matt Forger said so in one BAD 25 reissue interview.
 
The supposed Crack Kills snippet gives me TYLA vibes. But I have a hard time envisioning Run DMC rapping on that.
Is there any evidence that MJ recorded "Crack Kills"? I've come across many conflicting reports about this. Additionally, it seems that Run-DMC reused their verses from this track in their song "Crack." If that's true, then the verses don't seem to fit this snippet at all.
 
We know Temperton used to recycle songs. So I wonder if any of these that didn't make BAD found their way on other albums. The Siedah Garrett album had Groove of Midnight and Got The Hots (Baby's Got it Bad).

So we know OTW used up all Temperton's submissions. But Thriller is missing Roll The Dice. HotStreet and Got The Hots have already leaked. Anything else I am missing? Mystery?

BAD is more unclear besides Groove of Midnight.
There is also the song Spice Of Life. For Mystery, I have never found any evidence of MJ singing. I don't even know if it was actually offered to MJ.

So this was on Siedah's 1988 album and is produced by Temperton. Could this have been another MJ demo previously?
It could be a demo offered to MJ yes. But Siedah Garett would have already spoken about it I think...
 
Is there any evidence that MJ recorded "Crack Kills"? I've come across many conflicting reports about this. Additionally, it seems that Run-DMC reused their verses from this track in their song "Crack." If that's true, then the verses don't seem to fit this snippet at all.
Joe Vogel confirmed this. He was even surprised that the song was not on Bad 25.
 
In my view, both "Crack Kills" and "Tonight" sound fake. To me, they don’t resemble Michael Jackson’s style at all. Of course, this is just my personal opinion, but I find it hard to believe these snippets are genuinely his work.
I checked against the handwritten lyrics, and you have the "such a loser" part in the snippet audible... suggests its somewhat legit to me, but I'll reserve proper judgement for when more complete snippets surface
 
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So this was on Siedah's 1988 album and is produced by Temperton. Could this have been another MJ demo previously?
There is also the song Spice Of Life. For Mystery, I have never found any evidence of MJ singing. I don't even know if it was actually offered to MJ.

It could be a demo offered to MJ yes. But Siedah Garett would have already spoken about it I think...

Could've been but I don't think so. The only other song offered to him on this album was Innocent Side but Siedah said he chose MITM
 
We know Temperton used to recycle songs. So I wonder if any of these that didn't make BAD found their way on other albums. The Siedah Garrett album had Groove of Midnight and Got The Hots (Baby's Got it Bad).

So we know OTW used up all Temperton's submissions. But Thriller is missing Roll The Dice. HotStreet and Got The Hots have already leaked. Anything else I am missing? Mystery?

BAD is more unclear besides Groove of Midnight.
Sort of on-topic: I wonder if 'Smooth Criminal' was inspired by 'Yah -Mo Be There'..
Rod Temperton did synthesizers on that one and it even has some of the same sounds, like this one at 3:23 mark:
 
Controversial opinion, I don't think Groove Of Midnight was strong enough to be on Bad (the version on Siedah's album) the chorus is lovely but the verses aren't as strong in my opinion.

I do love that leaked tape of Michael singing it though, I wish that full tape would leak.

I hope there is a Michael version of Mystery, that song is brilliant and Mike would have killed those adlibs. Interestingly a lot of the musicians from Thriller appear on that song

@JohnC thanks for the new info mate
 
Controversial opinion, I don't think Groove Of Midnight was strong enough to be on Bad (the version on Siedah's album) the chorus is lovely but the verses aren't as strong in my opinion.

I do love that leaked tape of Michael singing it though, I wish that full tape would leak.

I hope there is a Michael version of Mystery, that song is brilliant and Mike would have killed those adlibs. Interestingly a lot of the musicians from Thriller appear on that song

@JohnC thanks for the new info mate
It would be nice to hear his version but I agree that it doesn’t sound strong enough if we’re basing it off both his vocals and Siedahs revamped version
 
It would be nice to hear his version but I agree that it doesn’t sound strong enough if we’re basing it off both his vocals and Siedahs revamped version
I think it would've been strong enough to make the album. MJ's vocals on that track would just bring out the magic. It certainly could've replaced JGF. I just don't think it was edgy enough for BAD, which is why Temperton just didn't stand a chance on this album.
 
I think it would've been strong enough to make the album. MJ's vocals on that track would just bring out the magic. It certainly could've replaced JGF. I just don't think it was edgy enough for BAD, which is why Temperton just didn't stand a chance on this album.
I think you're right mate, I think part of the reason it didn't make the record was it wasn't edgy enough. Same for other songs that didn't make the cut

I'd love to hear Mike's version of Groove Of Midnight. Mike's vocals and the feel of the snippet always remind me of Fly Away for some reason
 
I think it would've been strong enough to make the album. MJ's vocals on that track would just bring out the magic. It certainly could've replaced JGF. I just don't think it was edgy enough for BAD, which is why Temperton just didn't stand a chance on this album.
The only songs that we’ve heard from the sessions that could’ve booted JGF imo are Cheater and Come Together. Both could’ve featured Stevie
 
I think it would've been strong enough to make the album. MJ's vocals on that track would just bring out the magic. It certainly could've replaced JGF. I just don't think it was edgy enough for BAD, which is why Temperton just didn't stand a chance on this album.
I would’ve preferred "La Isla Bonita" or "Cheater" instead of JGF.
 
I know, Just Good Friends is the weakest link on Bad and they could have finished one of the other songs/ideas they left off instead, that could have been just as strong. I don’t know, something we haven’t heard yet that the Estate seems to be gatekeeping for whatever reason…
 
Judging by Bill's sessions calendar notes, Streetwalker, TYLA, PoF & CK were seriously considered for the album, since 'official' recording session begun in January 1987.

I wonder which of them were dropped in favour of MITM and JGF.
Is all of Bill's session from Hayvenhurst? I would say they were considered but cut during pre-production with the exception of SW since it actually made an early track list at one point
 
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