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I'm 40% sure that the mix of WDYK on Thriller 40 is the Victory mix. Either way, it's from the 80s
 
The Michael Jackson Estate is indeed very inconsistant about the mixes put onto their albums. For example, the original versions on the Xscape album use earlier (DYKWYCA/BG etc) or later versions (APWNN etc) without noting which was used and care more about the date of the vocal take recording.

Regarding Who Do You Know, I don‘t have a definite or confirmed answer to what mix was used but I have seen a date from around Late 1981. The mention that it was considered for inclusion on Victory doesn‘t mean that it was even slightly worked on, just that Michael noted the title down for considerations.
 
mjfp said:
Regarding Who Do You Know, I don‘t have a definite or confirmed answer to what mix was used but I have seen a date from around Late 1981. The mention that it was considered for inclusion on Victory doesn‘t mean that it was even slightly worked on, just that Michael noted the title down for considerations.
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Agreed. Victory was already 15 songs deep by March 1983 and while WDYK was probably a thought during the very beginning of Victory, I don't think any work was done on it since it literally sounds nothing like what's on the album. That song would've stuck out like a sore thumb
 
BlackAnon said:
That song would've stuck out like a sore thumb
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This is gonna be such a random tangent but I literally just got this phrase just now lol. I literally had a sore thumb once. Jammed it backwards on vacation, it swelled like a puffer fish. Had to be wrapped and everything.

That was literally the same week as MJ's funeral...
 
SeriousFX said:
Also they could've very well created a new mix from the multitracks. Most of them, when mixed direct from the source, sound as new as the day they were recorded.

Believe me, I've mixed a track that's available on Youtube in mid-tier quality. You wouldn't believe how much clarity it had while I was mixing it.
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Which song? if you don’t mind me asking.
 
BlackAnon said:
Agreed. Victory was already 15 songs deep by March 1983 and while WDYK was probably a thought during the very beginning of Victory, I don't think any work was done on it since it literally sounds nothing like what's on the album. That song would've stuck out like a sore thumb
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Rather curious how you found out they had 15 songs by March ‘83? Surely recording didn’t properly start until November?

State of Shock being an exception of course to that Nov ‘83 date, using the original demo tracks replacing Freddie’s and MJ’s vocal tracks.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
Rather curious how you found out they had 15 songs by March ‘83? Surely recording didn’t properly start until November?

State of Shock being an exception of course to that Nov ‘83 date, using the original demo tracks replacing Freddie’s and MJ’s tracks.
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At 4:20, they mention having 15 songs selected for Victory with the tour starting that summer. This is from 1983 after the Motown 25 performance.


State of Shocks original recording is in 1982 since it was originally for Thriller but later re-recorded for Victory
 
Stop misusing the term "modernization", contemporization, literally all of them. Remixed too. Annoys the piss out of me.
 
BlackAnon said:
At 3:37, Freddie says one of the tracks would've been on Thriller if they finished in time

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He says he didn't do it in time for Thriller. That's what I understand, what he actually meant indirectly.



This is what Peter Freestone said about their the meeting:

“The first that I heard about it was when Michael came to a Queen show at the Forum in Los Angeles. I remember him talking in the corner with Freddie and John. Afterwards Freddie said 'Huh! Michael says we should be doing something together because he loves what he’s heard!' Because he’d been listening to Another One Bites the Dust and loved that and the whole feel of it. So Freddie said 'He wants to meet up to record. Ah, but it’ll never happen, it’s just talk!'. Months later that was followed up with a phone call from Michael, because he had heard Freddie was in L.A. and he invited him over.”

The show at The Forum was in September 1982. The next time FM was in LA was in April/Nay 1983.
 
BlackAnon said:
At 4:20, they mention having 15 songs selected for Victory with the tour starting that summer. This is from 1983 after the Motown 25 performance.


State of Shocks original recording is in 1982 since it was originally for Thriller but later re-recorded for Victory
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The sessions with Freddie were in 1983, not 1982.
 
BlackAnon said:
At 4:20, they mention having 15 songs selected for Victory with the tour starting that summer. This is from 1983 after the Motown 25 performance.


State of Shocks original recording is in 1982 since it was originally for Thriller but later re-recorded for Victory
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Don’t think MJ did State of Shock for Thriller though as Queen fan newsletters from spring ‘83 mention the collaboration happening with Freddie…

The Victory liner notes credit the album as being engineered by Bruce from the original 16-track demo by Brent Averill. Referring to the same demo MJ did with Freddie.
Thus they didn’t re-record it completely, justs changing the drums, re-doing vocals and percussion.
 
Fuzball said:
He says he didn't do it in time for Thriller. That's what I understand, what he actually meant indirectly.



This is what Peter Freestone said about their the meeting:

“The first that I heard about it was when Michael came to a Queen show at the Forum in Los Angeles. I remember him talking in the corner with Freddie and John. Afterwards Freddie said 'Huh! Michael says we should be doing something together because he loves what he’s heard!' Because he’d been listening to Another One Bites the Dust and loved that and the whole feel of it. So Freddie said 'He wants to meet up to record. Ah, but it’ll never happen, it’s just talk!'. Months later that was followed up with a phone call from Michael, because he had heard Freddie was in L.A. and he invited him over.”

The show at The Forum was in September 1982. The next time FM was in LA was in April/Nay 1983.
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Peter Freestone even mentioned in his book the Thriller gold discs on Michael’s wall (not off the wall😂) so definitely after Thriller. After Feb ‘83 when he was presented them.
 
Fuzball said:
He says he didn't do it in time for Thriller. That's what I understand, what he actually meant indirectly.



This is what Peter Freestone said about their the meeting:

“The first that I heard about it was when Michael came to a Queen show at the Forum in Los Angeles. I remember him talking in the corner with Freddie and John. Afterwards Freddie said 'Huh! Michael says we should be doing something together because he loves what he’s heard!' Because he’d been listening to Another One Bites the Dust and loved that and the whole feel of it. So Freddie said 'He wants to meet up to record. Ah, but it’ll never happen, it’s just talk!'. Months later that was followed up with a phone call from Michael, because he had heard Freddie was in L.A. and he invited him over.”

The show at The Forum was in September 1982. The next time FM was in LA was in April/Nay 1983.
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mjfp said:
The sessions with Freddie were in 1983, not 1982.
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Eventidescape1 said:
Peter Freestone even mentioned in his book the Thriller gold discs on Michael’s wall (not off the wall😂) so definitely after Thriller. After Feb ‘83 when he was presented them.
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Could be but Freddie said one of the tracks would’ve ended up on Thriller if he finished it. Could mean if he presented the song sooner for collaboration instead of waiting
 
"The Magical Kingdom" - Rolling Stone, 02/17/1983



"Just here to see a friend."

Michael is politely trying to sidestep an inquiring young woman decked out with the latest video equipment. She blocks the corridor leading to the warren of dressing rooms beneath the L.A. Forum.

"Can I tell my viewers that Michael Jackson is a Queen fan?"

"I'm a Freddie Mercury fan," he says, slipping past her into a long room crowded with Queen band members, wives, roadies and friends. A burly man with the look of a linebacker is putting lead singer Freddie Mercury through a set of stretching exercises that will propel his road-weary muscles through the final show of the group's recent U.S. tour. The band is merry. Michael is shy, standing quietly at the door until Freddie spots him and leaps up to gather him in a hug.

Freddie invited Michael. He has been calling all week, mainly about the possibility of their working together. They've decided to try it on the Jacksons' upcoming album. Though they are hardly alike — Freddie celebrated a recent birthday by hanging naked from a chandelier — the two have been friendly since Michael listened to the material Queen had recorded for The Game and insisted that the single had to be "Another One-Cites the Dust."

"Now, he listens to me, right Freddie?"

"Righto, little brother."

The linebacker beckons. Freddie waves his cigarette at the platters of fruit, fowl and candy. "You and your friends make yourselves comfortable."

Our escort, a sweet-faced, hamfisted bodyguard, is consulting with security about seat locations. There had been girls lurking outside the condo when Michael sprinted to the limousine, girls peering through the tinted glass as the door locks clicked shut. This was all very puzzling to Michael's guest, who was waiting in the car.

He is a real friend, one of the civilians, so normal as to pass unseen by the jaded eyes of celebrity watchers. He has never been to a rock concert, nor has he ever seen Michael perform. He says he hopes to, but mainly, they just hang out together. Sometimes his younger brother even tags along. Most of the time they just talk "just regular old stuff," says the friend. For Michael, it is another kind of magic.

At the moment, though, it's show business as usual. Gossip, to be specific. Michael is questioning a dancer he knows about the recent crises of a fallen superstar. Michael wants to know what the problem is. The dancer mimes his answer, laying a finger alongside his nose. Michael nods, and translates for his friend: "Drugs. Cocaine."

Michael admits that he seeks out such gossip, and listens again and again as the famous blurt out their need for escape. "Escapism," he says. "I totally understand."

But addictions are another thing. "I always want to know what makes good performers fall to pieces," he says. "I alway try to find out. Because I just can't believe it's the same things that get them time and time again." So far, his own addictions?the stage, dancing, cartoons — have been free of toxins.

Something's working on Michael now, but it is nothing chemical. He's buzzing like a bumblebee trapped in a jelly jar. It's the room we're in, he explains. So many times, he's stretched and bounced and whipped up on his vocal chords right here, got crazy in here, pumping up, shivering like some flighty race horse as he wriggled into his sequined suit.

"I can't stand this," lie fairly yells. "I cannot sit still."

Just before he must be held down for his own good. Randy Jackson rockets into the room, containing his brother in a bear hug, helping him dissipate some of the energy with a short bout of wrestling. This is not the same creature who tried to hide behind a potato chip.

Now Michael is boxing with the bodyguard, asking every minute for the time until the man mercifully claps a big hand on the shoulder of his charge and says it: "Let's go."

Mercury and company have already begun moving down the narrow hall, and before anyone can catch him. Michael is drawn into their wake, riding on the low roar of the crowd outside, leaping up to catch a glimpse of Freddie, who is raising a fist and about to take the stairs to the stage.

"Ooooh, Freddie is pumped," says Michael. "I envy him now. You don't know how much."

The last of the band makes the stairs, and the black stage curtain closes. Michael turns and lets himself be led into the darkness of the arena.
 
Fuzball said:
He is a real friend, one of the civilians, so normal as to pass unseen by the jaded eyes of celebrity watchers. He has never been to a rock concert, nor has he ever seen Michael perform. He says he hopes to, but mainly, they just hang out together. Sometimes his younger brother even tags along. Most of the time they just talk "just regular old stuff," says the friend. For Michael, it is another kind of magic.
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Fuzball said:
"I always want to know what makes good performers fall to pieces," he says. "I alway try to find out. Because I just can't believe it's the same things that get them time and time again." So far, his own addictions? The stage, dancing, cartoons — have been free of toxins.
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These parts are like. Bolts of lightning in a night sky without clouds, they stand out so strongly.
 
All this talk of what unreleased material will be released with the biopic. This will be an unpopular opinion, but I get the feeling the whole thing will be shelved at some point. It's what I've come to expect.
 
Ganesh said:
All this talk of what unreleased material will be released with the biopic. This will be an unpopular opinion, but I get the feeling the whole thing will be shelved at some point. It's what I've come to expect.
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The music or the biopic...
 
SeriousFX said:
Also they could've very well created a new mix from the multitracks. Most of them, when mixed direct from the source, sound as new as the day they were recorded.

Believe me, I've mixed a track that's available on Youtube in mid-tier quality. You wouldn't believe how much clarity it had while I was mixing it.
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What track was that? I’m curious.
 
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