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LiveItOffTheWall said:
Does anyone know where the "Hollywood Tonight Alternate Version" Sven Nelson posted fits into all this? The one with the rhythm guitar. I've heard people say it was considered the best version of the song that's out there but it definitely is different sounding to the version Brad Buxer says was the best.
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Do you refer to this video? If so, it's not what you think it is. As already stated by others, it's the Neff-U mix.
 
LiveItOffTheWall said:
Does anyone know where the "Hollywood Tonight Alternate Version" Sven Nelson posted fits into all this? The one with the rhythm guitar. I've heard people say it was considered the best version of the song that's out there but it definitely is different sounding to the version Brad Buxer says was the best.
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The version you're referring to is one of the 2 mixes Neff-U made for the Michael album but were scrapped in favor of Teddy Riley's remixes. Nothing from the 2008 version got carried over to the Rock mix, though, as the guitar overdubs are performed by 2 different guitarists.
An unreleased version of Michael Jackson's "Hollywood Tonight" that was considered for the controversial 2010 'MICHAEL' album has surfaced online.

The track, which was uploaded to yourlisten.com by Faster Pussycat lead guitarist Ace Von Johnson five months ago, was produced by former Jackson-collaborator Ron "Neff-U" Feemster and engineered by James Murray in 2010.
During production on the track Murray brought Von Johnson in to record guitar overdubs and a solo on the bridge. Von Johnson considers the solo his favourite he has ever written.

"The engineer was a buddy of mine and invited me to come down to lay down some tracks," recalls Von Johnson in an interview with metalliville.com. "I did some stuff on a tune that they cut from the album at the last minute."

The record label, Epic Records, felt that the versions Neff-U was turning in for consideration were lacking something. They then had the files delivered to Teddy Riley who crafted a percussive beat box from Jackson's vocal scraps that served as the foundation for the track. and added a spoken bridge featuring the King of Pop's nephew Taryll. Riley's version was ultimately selected and released on the 'MICHAEL' album. Neff-U was given a co-production credit for laying the groundwork of the mix, along with Brad Buxer who produced the original demo with Jackson.

For the past four years the Neff-U/Ace Von Johnson version, which keeps relatively true to Jackson and Buxer's original demo, has remained unknown to fans around the world -- until now."

Released or not, that was a big deal for me," adds Von Johnson. "I'm proud that I'm lucky enough to be able to play music for a living. Most people never will never know what its like to achieve that."
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For now there are 5 different versions of Hollywood Tonight confirmed.

First one is Michael's Demo from 1999 (fully leaked)

Second is Neff-U's Rock Mix from 2010 (fully leaked)

Third is Neff-U's Alternative Mix from 2008 (only snippets are available)

Fourth is Teddy Riley's Mix from 2010 (officially released)

Fifth is Sony's Mix from 2010 (officially released)
 
I bought this. Any info?
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Michael Jackson reads The Celebration of Life Cassette | eBay

Michael Jackson reads "The Celebration of Life" on cassette, released in 1986 by Dove Books on Tape. This audio book features narration by Michael Jackson and has a run time of 86 minutes. The cassette comes in a white standard jewel case and is in very good condition. Produced in the United...
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deadcarpet said:
I bought this. Any info?
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Michael Jackson reads The Celebration of Life Cassette | eBay

Michael Jackson reads "The Celebration of Life" on cassette, released in 1986 by Dove Books on Tape. This audio book features narration by Michael Jackson and has a run time of 86 minutes. The cassette comes in a white standard jewel case and is in very good condition. Produced in the United...
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No clue. Are you sure it's the same Michael Jackson this forum is about?!?
 
deadcarpet said:
I bought this. Any info?
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Michael Jackson reads The Celebration of Life Cassette | eBay

Michael Jackson reads "The Celebration of Life" on cassette, released in 1986 by Dove Books on Tape. This audio book features narration by Michael Jackson and has a run time of 86 minutes. The cassette comes in a white standard jewel case and is in very good condition. Produced in the United...
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Arthur Norman Cousins and radio/television personality Michael Jackson join in a carefully crafted dialogue on the immortality of the human spirit.
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https://www.learnoutloud.com/Audio-...ity/Spirituality/The-Celebration-of-Life/1754

I don't think that's our MJ lmao
 
Masonh said:
For now there are 5 different versions of Hollywood Tonight confirmed.

First one is Michael's Demo from 1999 (fully leaked)

Second is Neff-U's Rock Mix from 2010 (fully leaked)

Third is Neff-U's Alternative Mix from 2008 (only snippets are available)

Fourth is Teddy Riley's Mix from 2010 (officially released)

Fifth is Sony's Mix from 2010 (officially released)
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I think that the mix that is supposedly from 2008 is actually a posthumous mix. It was said that Neff-U did more than one mix for Sony and the Michael álbum. These snippets are just from a W.I.P mix
 
LucianoWalker said:
I think that the mix that is supposedly from 2008 is actually a posthumous mix. It was said that Neff-U did more than one mix for Sony and the Michael álbum. These snippets are just from a W.I.P mix
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The snippets were played during the podcast in the context of Neff-U doing remixes of the song for the Michael album, so it's posthumous, yeah.
 
For now there are 5 different versions of Hollywood Tonight confirmed.

First one is Michael's Demo from 1999 (fully leaked)

Second is Neff-U's Rock Mix from 2010 (fully leaked)

Third is Neff-U's Alternative Mix from 2010 (only snippets are available)

Fourth is Teddy Riley's Mix from 2010 (officially released)

Fifth is Sony's Mix from 2010 (officially released)
 
Still don't understand where are the "60 or 80 songs recorded for Invincible" ?

It looks like there were only 30 songs recorded : the 16 songs in the Invincible and the dozen released in TUC and Xscape.

Where are the others ? We have no informations, no snippets about...
 
Pollonio said:
Still don't understand where are the "60 or 80 songs recorded for Invincible" ?

It looks like there were only 30 songs recorded : the 16 songs in the Invincible and the dozen released in TUC and Xscape.

Where are the others ? We have no informations, no snippets about...
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Rodney has either most or all of them.
 
Masonh said:
Second is Neff-U's Rock Mix from 2010
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Also, theres an unleaked mix of the Rock/Guitar Mix.
The leaked one is V2.

Supposedly MJ worked on the song in 2002 according to the leaked LQ recording that was called Bottle Of Smoke, and the 2007/2008 version
 
LucianoWalker said:
I don't know if this was posted here, but a DAT tape of the Wyclef sessions was put on Ebay

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-Original- 1999 -MICHAEL JACKSON- The HIT FACTORY MASTER Recording DAT Tape | eBay

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Love that they say "this appears to be in good condition, but we do not have the equipment to prove it", lol.
 
LucianoWalker said:
I don't know if this was posted here, but a DAT tape of the Wyclef sessions was put on Ebay

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-Original- 1999 -MICHAEL JACKSON- The HIT FACTORY MASTER Recording DAT Tape | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for -Original- 1999 -MICHAEL JACKSON- The HIT FACTORY MASTER Recording DAT Tape at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
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I guess it's reference tracks by Wyclef Jean to show Michael what the tracks were like, doubt there are any MJ vocals on it, but who knows ?
 
SmoothMel7 said:
I was lucky enough to hear the actual 2008 demo at a seminar with Brad Buxer and Michael Prince. The lyrics were exactly the same as the demo I remembered. There might have been one extra line, but I'm not sure anymore.
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Thank you! Although my hopes for a recorded bridge now totally vanished.. :)

It's such a strange demo. To be honest I don't really like the demo nor the mixes they did of it. But, and I already had this discussion here, for some reason I think the track MJ envisioned was more like 'Who Is It' or 'Dangerous', instead of a dance song..? That I would like!
The choir in the beginning, like Who Is It.. The use of the Hall & Oates drums is weird, although that track might have inspired BJ never heard it on a MJ demo: was the whole vibe supposed to be more intense/dark like BJ? Then again, the rhythm guitar of David Williams would make it funky? Would it sound 80's, 90's or 00's MJ? An 'Invincible' style beat or more modern..?

So many questions..
Thoughts anyone..??
 
I didn't know Bill was working on solo songs with MJ at Hayvenhurst in 1984 while work on Victory continued


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Fuzball said:
I didn't know Bill was working on solo songs with MJ at Hayvenhurst in 1984 while work on Victory continued


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As per Bottrell’s diaries posted earlier he started working in Hayvenhurst in October ‘85. Could be mixing things up a bit though as this was almost 40 years ago
 
Eventidescape1 said:
As per Bottrell’s diaries posted earlier he started working in Hayvenhurst in October ‘85. Could be mixing things up a bit though as this was almost 40 years ago
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Well, Michael hired Bill for work on daily basis once Hayvenhurst studio was remodeled in late 1985. Before that he'd work with Bill occasionally.
 
Fuzball said:
Well, Michael hired Bill for work on daily basis once Hayvenhurst studio was remodeled in late 1985. Before that he'd work with Bill occasionally.
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Before Matt or Bill even worked at Hayvenhurst, Michael had Brent Averill as his home engineer from 1979 to 1985.

Still, I kind of doubt how accurate Bill’s memory is of meeting Janet for the first time while working on Bad. This was 40 years ago, bear that in mind.
 
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