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Michael Jackson was less involved in Off The Wall creating process comparing to Invincible album?

Confirmed Off The Wall songs Michael Jackson co-wrote:

Get On The Floor

Songs Michael Jackson wrote in solo mode:

Workin' Day and Night

Songs, Michael Jackson has no credits for writing:

Rock With You
Off The Wall
Girlfriend
She's Out Of My Life
I Can't Help It
It's The Falling In Love
Burn This Disco Out

Allegedly co-written songs by MJ from Off The Wall:

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
 
Spaceship said:
He was definitely more involved with Off the Wall. While MJ only wrote one song by himself, he was still very much involved on the songs where he had a co-writer credit. On Invincible, he took co-writer credits on songs he didn't have any real input on beyond putting down vocals ("Break of Dawn", "2000 Watts", "Heaven Can Wait", etc).
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He wrote 2 songs.

From his 93 deposition:

Atty 1: Did you write any of the songs that were included on the album Off the Wall?

MJ: Yes.

Atty 1: Which ones?

MJ: Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough and Working Day and Night and I co-wrote one with another musician called Get on the Floor.

Atty 3: Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough? Was that tune released?

MJ: Yes.

Atty 3: Do you recall what year?

MJ: It was on the Off The Wall album so ’79, was it? (asking someone and then raises his eyebrows not sure).

Atty 3: Did Greg Phillinganes do something on that song?

MJ: Yes, the bridge. (02:54:05 does noises to create the bridge music) He created that.

Atty 3: Okay. Was he given credit on that album, on that song?

MJ: Yes he was.

Atty 3: Was that co-arranging or arranging or what – co written?

MJ: Arranging just arranging.
 
Why is the OP constantly insisting that don’t stop til you get enough was not written by MJ or allegedly that it was co-written?

Why are they making up utter nonsense?

Also, what’s up with the Invincible obsession, creating new threads all about pretty much the same album? They joined a few days ago and it’s constant Invincible stuff
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Why is the OP constantly insisting that don’t stop til you get enough was not written by MJ or allegedly that it was co-written?

Why are they making up utter nonsense?

Also, what’s up with the Invincible obsession, creating new threads all about pretty much the same album? They joined a few days ago and it’s constant Invincible stuff
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Just don't bother. There's no sense in changing someone's boulder of a head. No offense to Mason.
 
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Blues_Away2023 said:
Why is the OP constantly insisting that don’t stop til you get enough was not written by MJ or allegedly that it was co-written?
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The facts are well known about Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough. Michael wrote the song, both music and lyrics. Then Greg Phillinganes added the instrumental bridge. That's the bit from 2:40 to 2:55, a mere 15 seconds.

Originally, MJ and Greg Phillinganes were sharing songwriting credits. Early pressings of the single have both their names on it. (See picture below.) That doesn't mean they shared credits fifty-fifty. Because Greg wrote only a small bit, he got a smaller credit. It was 5 or 10 percent, I forgot the exact percentage.

However, after the initial deal to share songwriting credits, Michael had a change of heart and considered Greg's contribution to be an arranging matter, not a writing matter. Of course, you can debate this decision. However, it's is clear Michael wrote almost all of the music, except for the 15 seconds bridge, and all the lyrics. It's definitely fair to say Michael wrote the song.


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Piek said:
The facts are well known about Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough. Michael wrote the song, both music and lyrics. Then Greg Phillinganes added the instrumental bridge. That's the bit from 2:40 to 2:55, a mere 15 seconds.

Originally, MJ and Greg Phillinganes were sharing songwriting credits. Early pressings of the single have both their names on it. (See picture below.) That doesn't mean they shared credits fifty-fifty. Because Greg wrote only a small bit, he got a smaller credit. It was 5 or 10 percent, I forgot the exact percentage.

However, after the initial deal to share songwriting credits, Michael had a change of heart and considered Greg's contribution to be an arranging matter, not a writing matter. Of course, you can debate this decision. However, it's is clear Michael wrote almost all of the music, except for the 15 seconds bridge, and all the lyrics. It's definitely fair to say Michael wrote the song.


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Yeah, I have that vinyl in my collection. Perhaps that was the reason why I thought MJ co-wrote this song:ROFLMAO:
 
Masonh said:
Note that Break of Dawn, 2000 Watts, and Heaven Can wait were co-written by Michael Jackson.
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MJ didn't write any of those songs lol. Dr. Freeze confirmed MJ sang "Break of Dawn" exactly as he wrote it without changing anything (and it's long rumored that the only reason "Break of Dawn" appears on Number Ones is because Dr. Freeze threatened to sue MJ for falsely taking a co-writer credit). Tyrese Gibson also confirmed that MJ sang "2000 Watts" exactly as it was written in the demo.

iirc, You can hear on the writer's demo to "Heaven Can Wait" that MJ didn't change any part of the song. And MJ didn't write any part of "Whatever Happens", either; the demo is almost exactly like the finished song.
 
Piek said:
I hear Remember The Time frequently.
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I hear that on the R&B station, and also sometimes Can't Let Her Get Away & Jam. But the only song from Dangerous I hear now on Top 40 oldies is Black Or White (version without the rap). R&B radio also often plays the remix for SWV's Right Here.
Masonh said:
Average listener does not even care about Off The Wall. It's part of a history now. Not Invincible album case
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Untrue. Top 40 oldies play a lot of disco era songs (I Will Survive, Stayin' Alive, Play That Funky Music, Ring My Bell, YMCA, etc). Some are used in TV commercials & TV shows or video games like Grand Theft Auto. I never hear She's Out Of My Life, but that's slow. R&B radio even occasionally plays Girlfriend & It's The Falling In Love. As far as Invincible era goes, I hear Usher, Destiny's Child/Beyoncé or Aaliyah more often than tracks from that album. Because those acts were hot then, so were Nelly, OutKast, & Eminem. I still hear Hey Ya! a lot. But Butterflies gets regular airplay today on R&B radio (& sometimes You Rock My World). When the album was new R&B radio also played Heaven Can Wait, but I don't hear it today
 
Spaceship said:
MJ didn't write any of those songs lol. Dr. Freeze confirmed MJ sang "Break of Dawn" exactly as he wrote it without changing anything (and it's long rumored that the only reason "Break of Dawn" appears on Number Ones is because Dr. Freeze threatened to sue MJ for falsely taking a co-writer credit). Tyrese Gibson also confirmed that MJ sang "2000 Watts" exactly as it was written in the demo.

iirc, You can hear on the writer's demo to "Heaven Can Wait" that MJ didn't change any part of the song. And MJ didn't write any part of "Whatever Happens", either; the demo is almost exactly like the finished song.
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I agree about 2000 Watts, but remember that this song was complete mistake.

But you are totally wrong about Break of dawn, Heaven Can Wait and Whatever Happens. I just listened to demo versions of these songs. Michael reworked them. Leaving only structure of WH, as I said before
 
DuranDuran said:
I hear that on the R&B station, and also sometimes Can't Let Her Get Away & Jam. But the only song from Dangerous I hear now on Top 40 oldies is Black Or White (version without the rap). R&B radio also often plays the remix for SWV's Right Here.

Untrue. Top 40 oldies play a lot of disco era songs (I Will Survive, Stayin' Alive, Play That Funky Music, Ring My Bell, YMCA, etc). Some are used in TV commercials & TV shows or video games like Grand Theft Auto. I never hear She's Out Of My Life, but that's slow. R&B radio even occasionally plays Girlfriend & It's The Falling In Love. As far as Invincible era goes, I hear Usher, Destiny's Child/Beyoncé or Aaliyah more often than tracks from that album. Because those acts were hot then, so were Nelly, OutKast, & Eminem. I still hear Hey Ya! a lot. But Butterflies gets regular airplay today on R&B radio (& sometimes You Rock My World). When the album was new R&B radio also played Heaven Can Wait, but I don't hear it today
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I guess that depends on you region. Mine radio stations plays Invincible album almost everyday
 
Masonh said:
I guess that depends on you region. Mine radio stations plays Invincible album almost everyday
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Must be in Antarctica where only the penguins can hear it. Technically, there was only 1 single released from Invincible (You Rock My World). Butterflies got a lot of R&B airplay as an album track, because the DJs chose to play it and also the neo-soul sound was popular on R&B radio at the time. There was also a remix with the rapper Eve. It wasn't because Epic was promoting it. Neo-soul itself didn't get that much pop crossover, maybe Erykah Badu & D'Angelo a little. Floetry (who wrote Butterflies) didn't get pop airplay.
 
DuranDuran said:
Must be in Antarctica where only the penguins can hear it. Technically, there was only 1 single released from Invincible (You Rock My World). Butterflies got a lot of R&B airplay as an album track, because the DJs chose to play it and also the neo-soul sound was popular on R&B radio at the time. There was also a remix with the rapper Eve. It wasn't because Epic was promoting it. Neo-soul itself didn't get that much pop crossover, maybe Erykah Badu & D'Angelo a little. Floetry (who wrote Butterflies) didn't get pop airplay.
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"Must be in Antarctica where only the penguins can hear it" LMAOOOOOO
 
DuranDuran said:
Must be in Antarctica where only the penguins can hear it.
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Absolutely! Here we listen Invincible album everyday!

When I get up and go fishing, usually I start with the line:

"Deceitful eyes she's got those come get thighs"

And then I go until chorus part, when penguins begin to sing

"Thhat girl I can takka (Ah!)

Should have known she wasa hartbreaka (Ah!) (Ah!)"

And when it comes to bridge, polar bears take up the baton

"Ay never soot that Ay stap dreamin about ya stap bein withotcha (Da!)

And everybady told me so stop caring aboutcha stap being withoutcha"
 
Masonh said:
But you are totally wrong about Break of dawn, Heaven Can Wait and Whatever Happens. I just listened to demo versions of these songs. Michael reworked them
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The early writer's demo of "Break of Dawn" called "Twilight" isn't the final version Dr. Freeze made before MJ came onboard. Freeze confirmed that MJ changed no part of the lyrics when he recorded it.

Even if the writer's demos for "Heaven Can Wait" and "Whatever Happens" are different to the released versions on Invincible, that doesn't mean MJ was solely responsible for the changes that were made. "Whatever Happens" itself was a last minute addition in spring 2001.
 
kreen said:
He didn’t contribute one note or word. All of the MJ cowriting credits on Invincible are just him putting his name on other people’s songs so he would get some of the publishing money.
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Well, just like Thriller and Off The Wall. Songs from these 2 albums are not Michael's. All of the MJ cowriting credits on Thriller and Off The Wall are just him putting his name on other people’s songs so he would get some of the publishing money.
 
Masonh said:
I wouldn't say that. Was musical direction of OTW album chosed by Michael? Because for Invincible it absolutely was. And many songs even though they are not all written by Michael are personal enough for him.

Unbreakable - anti-media song

Speechless - kids with ballons

You Are My Life - Michael's children

The Lost Children - well, the titles speaks for itself

Cry - man in the mirror song

Privacy, Threatened - anti-media song

And most of Off The Wall songs are just love ballads, so why does it sound more personal?
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Most of the songs of the 'Off The Wall' album are not love ballads.

Half of the songs are love ballads and half of the songs are upbeat disco/funk songs.
DuranDuran said:
Well, that's like the average popular album and/or songs today. Lots of features, usually with whatever rapper is popular at the moment like with Mariah Carey. Or DJ Khalid shouting his name or "another one" over a track, 😅 Or Puff Daddy, Timbaland, & Jermaine Dupri appearing in everybody that they produced music videos.
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It happens very often nowadays in order for the song to achieve bigger chart success.

But this is not necessarily a good thing, considering that the song eventually becomes devoid of the main artist's personality.
 
mj_frenzy said:
But this is not necessarily a good thing, considering that the song eventually becomes devoid of the main artist's personality.
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That's no different than old songs. If you hear a late 1980s track produced by Babyface, it usually sounds like a Babyface song with somebody else singing. That's his sound. The same with Human League's Crash album. It doesn't sound like their other records. It sounds more like a Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis (or a Janet Jackson/Alexander O'Neal) album
 
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