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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

ChanceToDance said:
Even if those Babyface songs are writer's demos I still wouldn't say no to listening to them honestly lol. Some of those writer's demos can be a diamond in a rough and I think they should get more attention within the fanbase. "Jungle City" for example is one hell of a song, and I still can't believe we got to hear it. I was sure it would be unheard forever. "Change" and "I Want You To Stay" by Marsha Ambrosius are great, also.

And there's some demos out there that I'm eager for them to leak, such as the Ne-Yo and the Eric Kirkland songs--especially the Ne-Yo songs. I'm sure those are complete bangers.
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Never heard of Jungle City. Is that a writers demo with just Babyface on lyrics, or do we know MJ also worked on it?

Fuzball said:
Tbh Teddy, too.
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Yeah, I thought about him, too. There are a couple of Teddy songs I'm not really too fond of in terms of creativeness, but he also contributed to MJ classics (RTT) and one of the best Invincible songs (Whatever Happens).
 
ChanceToDance said:
Even if those Babyface songs are writer's demos I still wouldn't say no to listening to them honestly lol. Some of those writer's demos can be a diamond in a rough and I think they should get more attention within the fanbase. "Jungle City" for example is one hell of a song, and I still can't believe we got to hear it. I was sure it would be unheard forever. "Change" and "I Want You To Stay" by Marsha Ambrosius are great, also.

And there's some demos out there that I'm eager for them to leak, such as the Ne-Yo and the Eric Kirkland songs--especially the Ne-Yo songs. I'm sure those are complete bangers.
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Friday Night and Midnight by Dr Freeze. Two of my new fave songs actually.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Even if those Babyface songs are writer's demos I still wouldn't say no to listening to them honestly lol. Some of those writer's demos can be a diamond in a rough and I think they should get more attention within the fanbase. "Jungle City" for example is one hell of a song, and I still can't believe we got to hear it. I was sure it would be unheard forever. "Change" and "I Want You To Stay" by Marsha Ambrosius are great, also.

And there's some demos out there that I'm eager for them to leak, such as the Ne-Yo and the Eric Kirkland songs--especially the Ne-Yo songs. I'm sure those are complete bangers.
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I‘m definitely not interested in some writers demos. I’m a Michael Jackson fan and I listen to MJ songs because I wanna listen to him.
The more input MJ has in a song the better.
That said: I do also like the songs where he put only his vocals to it.
But I’m not interested in a demo song, sung by anyone else.
 
thiron said:
Never heard of Jungle City. Is that a writers demo with just Babyface on lyrics, or do we know MJ also worked on it?
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It’s a demo with Dr.Freeze vocals, worked with MJ, Freeze, Prince and Buxer in 1998 - 1999 (and later with Prince and Buxer in 2000s), mj never recorded it
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
I‘m definitely not interested in some writers demos. I’m a Michael Jackson fan and I listen to MJ songs because I wanna listen to him.
The more input MJ has in a song the better.
That said: I do also like the songs where he put only his vocals to it.
But I’m not interested in a demo song, sung by anyone else.
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Agreed. Writers demos are cool to listen to but if Michael never laid vocals, I don't care to hear it.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m interested in writers demos for songs that MJ actively worked on and/or wanted to record. “Jungle City,” “Shut Up and Dance,” etc. If they’re just songs written for MJ, that’s not really my interest point.
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Those two were never recorded by him, Shut Up And Dance has a nice groove but the lyrics are rather mid while Jungle City sounds cool in it's own way. And for just written for MJ songs, I think they are way too many of those
 
Hearing demos to songs he actually recorded, like Human Nature, Man in the Mirror, Carousel, 2000 Watts and things like that are cool because you can hear how they changed when Michael recorded it but a regular demo of a song that grazed his ears at one point doesn't do it for me plus I hate when the demo mimics his voice. Cringe.
 
BlackAnon said:
Hearing demos to songs he actually recorded, like Human Nature, Man in the Mirror, Carousel, 2000 Watts and things like that are cool because you can hear how they changed when Michael recorded it but a regular demo of a song that grazed his ears at one point doesn't do it for me plus I hate when the demo mimics his voice. Cringe.
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Cringe.
And bad memories: We‘ve had enough of voice mimics.
 
mjfp said:
Those two were never recorded by him, Shut Up And Dance has a nice groove but the lyrics are rather mid while Jungle City sounds cool in it's own way. And for just written for MJ songs, I think they are way too many of those
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But MJ worked on both of them and expressed an interest in putting vocals down. By nature, those songs stick out more than others.
 
AlwaysThere said:
But MJ worked on both of them and expressed an interest in putting vocals down. By nature, those songs stick out more than others.
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well it's just my personal opinion and I have only heard around half of both tracks but from what I have heard it's like not on MJ's level of writing
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m interested in writers demos for songs that MJ actively worked on and/or wanted to record. “Jungle City,” “Shut Up and Dance,” etc. If they’re just songs written for MJ, that’s not really my interest point.
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Exactly! And it's just what I was trying to say. Those songs, though may not have been recorded by MJ but instead by another vocalist are still MJ songs by extension since he made contributions to them, so they retain a certain value. Songs like "Jungle City", "Is She Coming Back", Shut Up and Dance", the Ne-Yo songs, etc. sparks almost as much interest in me as an original MJ song would, especially if we know it comes from a good producer/songwriter.

Now if we're talking about, say, a writer's demo that Michael himself rejected like "Serious Moonlight", then yeah I couldn't give a shred of a shit about it lol
 
❤️👞👟🧤FIRST AND FOREMOST I THANK YOU TO ALL THE FANS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS AWESOME THREAD SO THAT I COULD PUT DOWN MY "URMJS" FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER!

MY FAV UNRELEASED MJ SONGS:
(*In no particular Order!)

*FOR ALL TIME
*FREE
*LOVING YOU
*SOMEONE PUT YOUR HAND OUT
*I'M SO BLUE
*FLY AWAY
*SERIOUS EFFECT w/LL COOL J
*WHY w/3T
*A PLACE WITH NO NAME
*BEAUTIFUL GIRL
*BLUE GANGSTER
*PEOPLE OF THE WORLD
*DON'T WALK AWAY
*HEAVEN CAN WAIT
*GLOUCESTERSHIRE
*THE LOSER
*THE WAY YOU LOVE ME
*CHICAGO
*WALK AWAY

(*Some songs in this List have been Released! But I been playing them so long I didn't know what happened to them with all those "LEAKS"!)

To many to mention and too painful to see how they made sure these tracks were not released because they would never ever allow him to HIT another THRILLER or even SUPASS IT! They were terrified of the power and intelligence he already had what would have happened to SONY if they didn't secure that he could never do it with again with all the sneaky lowdown tricks from the online leaks and not filling record shelves with enough albums sales to blow their devilish minds!
They could never stop US his Fans and til this day they want us to let them erase everything he ever did, without them!!
Michael had more than enough SONGS, HIT'S to make 5 more THILLERS!!! I KNOW IT!!

I AM TRULY GRATEFUL THIS THEAD IS ALIVE AND WELL!! 👞🧤❤️LOVE YOU ALL!!
 
My crackhead theory is that "Walk Away" and "Don't Walk Away" are really the same song tbh, just alternate titles. "Walk Away" probably would've been the official title, and what was on the bedroom notes was just an incorrect title like "Ways You Love Me" and "The Loser" were.

It would also have been confusing if Michael gave a song the same title as a song that he had released just a few years prior at the time of his passing, too.
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
One of my fave Marvin Gaye songs is instrumental. I think there's value in hearing those kinds of tracks.
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Agreed! There are a good amount of MJ songs that can be a great listen just with the instrumental track alone, Michael's voice pretty much just makes it the cherry on top. "Will You Be There", "Stranger In Moscow", "Beat It," etc. sound great on their own.

And on the unreleased side of stuff "Photographs" And "From The Bottom Of My Heart" are nice groves too. And I'm sure there are more that sound excellent, especially coming from the later years as that's all there is for the most part lol.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
One of my fave Marvin Gaye songs is instrumental. I think there's value in hearing those kinds of tracks.
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I’m right there with you. Honestly, I’ve grown to appreciate unreleased songs of all stages of completion. Even if MJ’s just mumbling, it’s fascinating to see what was going on in his head and to wonder where a song could’ve gone.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I’m right there with you. Honestly, I’ve grown to appreciate unreleased songs of all stages of completion. Even if MJ’s just mumbling, it’s fascinating to see what was going on in his head and to wonder where a song could’ve gone.
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Exactly, but MJ‘s involvement is key.
If he created instrumentals, great.
Get it on.
Like I’m still hoping for his classical ideas/compositions to be released one day.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think the biopic would be the best place for these. Just as incidental music, maybe during the credits. I cant imagine any other project they’d fit on.
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Only other one I can think of would be an anthology set of unfinished demos, but obviously the estate has shown zero interest in doing that.
 
Is there any backstory on how the thriller era demos leaked in the early 2000s (baby be mine, Wbss, hot street, and state of shock)
 
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SeriousFX said:
Riley was only brought in during the early months of 2001, and the original 1999 configuration of the album included compositions by Brad Buxer, Dr. Freeze, Walter Afanasieff, and Cory Rooney. Oh yeah, and at least one track from Wyclef Jean and Rodney Jerkins
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Actually, MJ said during an interview in late 2000 that Teddy Riley had already been brought in.

I think what happened was Rodney Jerkins took a break to work on other projects (maybe Brandy's Full Moon album), so MJ reached out to Riley.
 
Alaslam said:
Is there any backstory on how the thriller era demos leaked in the early 2000s (baby be mine, Wbss, hot street, and state of shock)
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Story I heard is that there was an MJ fan event of some sort and a collector passed on a cassette tape of demos and outtakes, which was eventually transferred and leaked. Not sure how true that is.
 
Alaslam said:
Is there any backstory on how the thriller era demos leaked in the early 2000s (baby be mine, Wbss, hot street, and state of shock)
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State of shock ?? A different version / demo ? The leaks from Thriller occured in 2002. Those tracks were considered for the 2001 special edition . In early 2000 , several projects were strike by leaks. Usher , RKelly , Nas, D'angelo etc...
 
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