The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

[AlwaysThere]

He bought Neverland Ranch in 1988 and had no further use for Hayvenhurst. The Westlake sessions and resulting tour took up most of his time anyway so it was largely empty after January 1987. Whenever he did enter the studio pre-June 1989 it was usually through studios others owned (read: Wonderland Recording for Stevie Wonder's "Get It;" Smoketree for the earliest seed for Dangerous and the Streetwalker remix; Ocean Way for Throwin' Your Life Away...possibly).

That definitely makes sense, but it still boggles the mind, especially since he didn’t then build a comparative studio at Neverland. I know it became easier later on when technology advanced and they were able to make portable rigs, but I’m still very surprised at this.

 

[SeriousFX]

He did record his vocals for Get It in Tokyo. Smoketree's Bill alone messing around with Michael's tapes.

oh sorry my memory absolutely sucks.

 

[kai]

Some, fans. Not all of us spent time worrying about something like that,

it's totally weird if you worry about a logo that was changed but when they change his whole music it's fine

 

[threepea11]

Guys I came across something very interesting, I found a video of a fake snippet of Crack Kills, and I found a comment by KingOfAura , in which he says that there is a real snippet out there(???), is he talking about the “you’re such a loser” snippet? Or is he just trolling? I found it odd that he said that on a random fake snippet

?

 

[Fuzball]

By rule of thumb, Michael's main engineers for recording ideas, demos or songs (actual album sessions not taken into account) were from

1979 to 1981 John van Nest
1982 to late spring of '83 Brent Averill
Spring/summer '84 Brian Malouf
post Victory tour to 1997 Matt Forger
1998 to 2009 Michael Prince

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

it's totally weird if you worry about a logo that was changed but when they change his whole music it's fine

Music that he comfortably left in the vault for up to 40 years, not even including it on his paper of songs to revist (except maybe a couple)

Versus altering his magnum opus, arguably the greatest piece of art made in the 20th century at least

But okay.

 

[Fuzball]

Music that he comfortably left in the vault for up to 40 years, not even including it on his paper of songs to revist (except maybe a couple)

That doesn't mean anything and surely isn't an excuse for allowing the Estate to let people "rape" Michael's art.

 

[dam2040]

Did that surprise you? They've already recreated/remixed finished and approved tracks.

No, it didn't. Sometimes you give them leeway and they finally decide to pop out and show you exactly why they don't deserve it. More interested in peddling their own idea of "MJ" and not the real deal.

 

[kai]

That doesn't mean anything and surely isn't an excuse for allowing the Estate to let people "rape" Michael's art.

Exactly...

and if you still do it then at least don't put a documentary out with the producers saying stuff like "when i was in studio i felt that MJ gave me his thumbs up from heaven". At least be honest about shit.

 

[ChanceToDance]

?

They just posted another snippet that was like a second longer than the one we already had. I don't think they ever posted the full thing (assuming that it is real to begin with).

 

[Fuzball]

Exactly...

and if you still do it then at least don't put a documentary out with the producers saying stuff like "when i was in studio i felt that MJ gave me his thumbs up from heaven". At least be honest about shit.

Therefore the best part of that documentary was excluded from the DVD.

 

[innuendo141]

Therefore the best part of that documentary was excluded from the DVD.

I recall LA Reid being dismissive of the original demos too, I stopped watching clips after he rubbed me up the wrong way. The arrogance around that release was mad.

 

[robotchicken14]

That definitely makes sense, but it still boggles the mind, especially since he didn’t then build a comparative studio at Neverland. I know it became easier later on when technology advanced and they were able to make portable rigs, but I’m still very surprised at this.

For Bad, Michael and his team came up with ideas at Hayvenhurst because they could spend as much time there as they wanted. Westlake was only used to execute the already developed ideas.

For Dangerous, Michael booked out the entirety of Record One and Larrabee studios for a period of almost two years, meaning he and his team had 24/7 access to go in and develop ideas and come up with songs.

So, essentially, the pro studio made the home studio redundant. It’s the reason Dangerous cost so much to produce compared to Bad

 

[dam2040]

I recall LA Reid being dismissive of the original demos too, I stopped watching clips after he rubbed me up the wrong way. The arrogance around that release was mad.

Timbaland was incredibly arrogant as well and after spending previous years bashing MJ the whole thing annoyed me really. I was glad to see MJ getting great marketing etc and but the integrity of the project was incredibly flawed.

 

[threepea11]

They just posted another snippet that was like a second longer than the one we already had. I don't think they ever posted the full thing (assuming that it is real to begin with).

But is it a real snippet of Crack Kills is what I’m asking

 

[Fuzball]

But is it a real snippet of Crack Kills is what I’m asking

You better ask someone who's heard the song.

 

[threepea11]

You better ask someone who's heard the song.

Just asked Bill

 

[Beano Wild]

But is it a real snippet of Crack Kills is what I’m asking

no, its Udio. got sent the actual file to it.

 

[JamesCMJJ]

I thought it would've been obvious

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

That doesn't mean anything and surely isn't an excuse for allowing the Estate to let people "rape" Michael's art.

It does mean something. Just not a lot.

And using that word as just hyperbole is not okay.

 

[threepea11]

no, its Udio. got sent the actual file to it.

Oh shit thx for telling I feel bad for bothering Bill now and I cant delete my reply to him cus I'm at school

 

[threepea11]

no, its Udio. got sent the actual file to it.

But wait, doesn't Udio need the real song to recreate it? Unless I'm mistaken

 

[Fuzball]

This is what Bill's written about ES:


I hope I didn't confuse anybody.
[in 1986] Michael screened for me, in his screening room at Hayvenhurst - "The Emerald Forest"
Which was his way of asking me to prepare for Earth Song, which barely started at Hayvenhurst, with John Barnes just playing the 2 chords on piano.
Later, Michael screened "To Kill a Mockingbird" with Gregory Peck. His way of giving me meaning for the future song "Black or White"

Both of these VHS tapes I still have.

BTW. no song was written - but the 3rd VHS he gave me was "This is Elvis"

You all should watch it.

this is interesting, too. I wish, Bill had fully complied with MJ on those themes.

'86-'89 MJ was trying to get me to help explore socio-political themes and, to my later regret, I didn't really answer. But we came up with Earth Song. (B or W was light) In E.S. I wanted the drama and passion MJ wasn't sure, so it waited till History.
A strange dance we did.

 

[alexbism]

Is there a possibility that Luciano Pavarotti and MJ made a song together, the concert with friends didn't happend at the time due to Prince beign sick, but I wonder how about the possible collaboration...

Pavarotti was on the intro of the Ghosts demo, I think it was a sample though?

 

[alexbism]

it's totally weird if you worry about a logo that was changed but when they change his whole music it's fine

Well, the remixes were trash but at least we got the OG demos to make up for it, if it were the Michael formula I would have been pissed.

 

[Victorious]

So that remix of 'Chicago' by Timbaland was the only one that was 'okayish' I guess, since it sounded like a genuine MJ song so to say, matching the theme, era and vibe of the demo..

It looks like no producer really tried to make tracks that sounded accurate, remotely close to what the demo's would have sounded in a finished state..?

 

[NetflexKing]

So that remix of 'Chicago' by Timbaland was the only one that was 'okayish' I guess, since it sounded like a genuine MJ song so to say, matching the theme, era and vibe of the demo..

It looks like no producer really tried to make tracks that sounded accurate, remotely close to what the demo's would have sounded in a finished state..?

I'm pretty sure the mixes in "Michael" are actually the closest thing to what michael would've wanted

 

[Victorious]

Funny how we all have different opinions. I think the APWNN remix on Xscape is terrible. It's basically a lazy ripoff of Leave Me Alone.

The remixes to Chicago, Loving You, and Xscape, I think were all well done.

I thought it was more of an hommage to Stevie's 'Higher Ground' tbh

 

[Fuzball]

I'm pretty sure the mixes in "Michael" are actually the closest thing to what michael would've wanted

No!

 

[Victorious]

I'm pretty sure the mixes in "Michael" are actually the closest thing to what michael would've wanted

Hmm maybe..

'Hollywood Tonight': the beat alone sounds very indistinctive to me, is that how a new MJ track would have sounded like in the late 2000's..?
'Behind the Mask': sounds more 'Bad' era than Thriller era to me with the saxaphone and driving beat
'(I like) The Way You love Me': well we know the leak, it doesn't sound so processed as the version on 'Michael'
The Lenny Kravitz song also sounds different than the demo and not very MJ nor Lenny, less hard hitting I guess
'Much Too Soon', I don't know but if that are 90s vocals the instrumentation should maybe also have sounded more like a MJ 90s ballad (synths instead of unplugged)