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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

AlwaysThere said:
That definitely makes sense, but it still boggles the mind, especially since he didn’t then build a comparative studio at Neverland. I know it became easier later on when technology advanced and they were able to make portable rigs, but I’m still very surprised at this.
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For Bad, Michael and his team came up with ideas at Hayvenhurst because they could spend as much time there as they wanted. Westlake was only used to execute the already developed ideas.

For Dangerous, Michael booked out the entirety of Record One and Larrabee studios for a period of almost two years, meaning he and his team had 24/7 access to go in and develop ideas and come up with songs.

So, essentially, the pro studio made the home studio redundant. It’s the reason Dangerous cost so much to produce compared to Bad
 
innuendo141 said:
I recall LA Reid being dismissive of the original demos too, I stopped watching clips after he rubbed me up the wrong way. The arrogance around that release was mad.
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Timbaland was incredibly arrogant as well and after spending previous years bashing MJ the whole thing annoyed me really. I was glad to see MJ getting great marketing etc and but the integrity of the project was incredibly flawed.
 
ChanceToDance said:
They just posted another snippet that was like a second longer than the one we already had. I don't think they ever posted the full thing (assuming that it is real to begin with).
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But is it a real snippet of Crack Kills is what I’m asking
 
Fuzball said:
This is what Bill's written about ES:


I hope I didn't confuse anybody.
[in 1986] Michael screened for me, in his screening room at Hayvenhurst - "The Emerald Forest"
Which was his way of asking me to prepare for Earth Song, which barely started at Hayvenhurst, with John Barnes just playing the 2 chords on piano.
Later, Michael screened "To Kill a Mockingbird" with Gregory Peck. His way of giving me meaning for the future song "Black or White"

Both of these VHS tapes I still have.

BTW. no song was written - but the 3rd VHS he gave me was "This is Elvis"

You all should watch it.
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this is interesting, too. I wish, Bill had fully complied with MJ on those themes.

'86-'89 MJ was trying to get me to help explore socio-political themes and, to my later regret, I didn't really answer. But we came up with Earth Song. (B or W was light) In E.S. I wanted the drama and passion MJ wasn't sure, so it waited till History.
A strange dance we did.
 
kai said:
it's totally weird if you worry about a logo that was changed but when they change his whole music it's fine :D
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Well, the remixes were trash but at least we got the OG demos to make up for it, if it were the Michael formula I would have been pissed.
 
So that remix of 'Chicago' by Timbaland was the only one that was 'okayish' I guess, since it sounded like a genuine MJ song so to say, matching the theme, era and vibe of the demo..

It looks like no producer really tried to make tracks that sounded accurate, remotely close to what the demo's would have sounded in a finished state..?
 
Victorious said:
So that remix of 'Chicago' by Timbaland was the only one that was 'okayish' I guess, since it sounded like a genuine MJ song so to say, matching the theme, era and vibe of the demo..

It looks like no producer really tried to make tracks that sounded accurate, remotely close to what the demo's would have sounded in a finished state..?
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I'm pretty sure the mixes in "Michael" are actually the closest thing to what michael would've wanted
 
NetflexKing said:
I'm pretty sure the mixes in "Michael" are actually the closest thing to what michael would've wanted
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Hmm maybe..

'Hollywood Tonight': the beat alone sounds very indistinctive to me, is that how a new MJ track would have sounded like in the late 2000's..?
'Behind the Mask': sounds more 'Bad' era than Thriller era to me with the saxaphone and driving beat
'(I like) The Way You love Me': well we know the leak, it doesn't sound so processed as the version on 'Michael'
The Lenny Kravitz song also sounds different than the demo and not very MJ nor Lenny, less hard hitting I guess
'Much Too Soon', I don't know but if that are 90s vocals the instrumentation should maybe also have sounded more like a MJ 90s ballad (synths instead of unplugged)
 
MJ probably wouldn't have been too unsatisfied with some of the remixes on "Xscape" also, especially considering Damien made it a point that Timbaland's remix of DYKWYCA (that remix slaps and I'll die on this hill) has sonic similarities between a track from MJ's final years called "She Don't Love Me" specifically.

I like to imagine how his reaction would've been if he heard the remix of "Love Never Felt So Good" and saw that it managed to become a posthumous hit, a song that by the time of his death was essentially just a scrap of which he probably had long forgotten of.

I can't remember what it was said exactly, but around the time "This Is It" was released someone from the Estate talked about how they imagine Michael would have felt about his rehearsal footage being viewed by the public, and they said something in the lines of how he wouldn't really be happy given his perfectionism, but at the same time he'd be grateful with how the fans were able to cherish it and with how much of a success it managed to be, and I think the same would apply when it comes to something like this.
 
ChanceToDance said:
MJ probably wouldn't have been too unsatisfied with some of the remixes on "Xscape" also, especially considering Damien made it a point that Timbaland's remix of DYKWYCA (that remix slaps and I'll die on this hill) has sonic similarities between a track from MJ's final years called "She Don't Love Me" specifically.

I like to imagine how his reaction would've been if he heard the remix of "Love Never Felt So Good" and saw that it managed to become a posthumous hit, a song that by the time of his death was essentially just a scrap of which he probably had long forgotten of.

I can't remember what it was said exactly, but around the time "This Is It" was released someone from the Estate talked about how they imagine Michael would have felt about his rehearsal footage being viewed by the public, and they said something in the lines of how he wouldn't really be happy given his perfectionism, but at the same time he'd be grateful with how the fans were able to cherish it and with how much of a success it managed to be, and I think the same would apply when it comes to something like this.
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I think you are right but if he would be happy with it is a slightly different subject, what I don't understand is why no one really seem to bother to make the demo's as authentic as possible. If you know a demo is from the 90s than using sounds from that era isn't that much to ask for lol
 
There is 0 direction in which we can be the judge of what the estate can and can’t do with his work, whether we like it or not they are the embodiment of Michael himself, and they have been entrusted to “continue” his legacy. Michael is dead, and can no longer make the calls. Remixing, modifying, photoshopping his work doesn’t matter as long as what Michael himself released is still around, that is all that we as fans can be consistent of - that Michael’s released work between 1958-2009 is Michael’s REAL work. Everything else is extra.
 
Beano Wild said:
There is 0 direction in which we can be the judge of what the estate can and can’t do with his work, whether we like it or not they are the embodiment of Michael himself, and they have been entrusted to “continue” his legacy. Michael is dead, and can no longer make the calls. Remixing, modifying, photoshopping his work doesn’t matter as long as what Michael himself released is still around, that is all that we as fans can be consistent of - that Michael’s released work between 1958-2009 is Michael’s REAL work. Everything else is extra.
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Lol no.

MJ being dead does not mean the estate are him and does not exclude them from criticism.
 
Victorious said:
if he would be happy with it is a slightly different subject, what I don't understand is why no one really seem to bother to make the demo's as authentic as possible. If you know a demo is from the 90s than using sounds from that era isn't that much to ask for lol
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Yeah with everything we know about his work ethics he would absolutely hate having someone else toy with his music and alter it to the point it completely changes the vision he had for it, and with his unfinished music on top of that. But when it comes to songs like "Chicago", "Hold My Hand", "Love Never Felt So Good" or whatever became a hit I think he'd be pleased with the end result somewhat.
 
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