The topic of HSP ( Highly Sensitive Person) - Let´s discuss and chat

[bluemoon7]

I'm in the process of teaching myself to consume more positive news and uplifting stories.

Despite being an HSP, I am drawn towards true crime stories and sensationalist stuff. Yeah, admittedly , and I guess that's just how we are as humans.

I realized that this habit adds to my negativity and even anxiety.

So, I try to listen to HAPPY NEWS podcasts and subscribe to GOOD NEWS newsletters, even though I find the concept a bit naive lol.

So, this morning I found myself smiling, even giggling when listening to some news about penguins receiving physiotherapy

 

[someplace_else]

I'm in the process of teaching myself to consume more positive news and uplifting stories.

Despite being an HSP, I am drawn towards true crime stories and sensationalist stuff. Yeah, admittedly , and I guess that's just how we are as humans.

I realized that this habit adds to my negativity and even anxiety.

So, I try to listen to HAPPY NEWS podcasts and subscribe to GOOD NEWS newsletters, even though I find the concept a bit naive lol.

So, this morning I found myself smiling, even giggling when listening to some news about penguins receiving physiotherapy

Me, listening to podcasts about psychopaths and killing people in PS-games while giggling like an evil witch

But the penguin thing sounds very interesting, indeed

 

[bluemoon7]

Me, listening to podcasts about psychopaths and killing people in PS-games while giggling like an evil witch

But the penguin thing sounds very interesting, indeed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct5sr1?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

from 21:50 It's the cutest

 

[someplace_else]

So nice how they take care of them - I immediately had to think about this (sorry for the off topic, but it's too funny)

 

[bluemoon7]

I would like to open a thread on the following topic. Do you think this is interesting? Does a thread with this topic already exist?


The beauty and power in Michel Jackson´s "simple" songs

I have been trapped for most of my life in this (predominantly white male) intellectual belief that songs like "Heal the world" especially, but also "Earth Song", and even the worldwide beloved "We are the World" are too simple, and too pleasing to the ear ... too popular to be "good music". Mostly white male music critics and guys of my Gen X made me believe that these songs are too cheesy, kitsch and shallow to be taken seriously, (and therefore also serve as evidence to the assumption that Michael Jackson is not to be taken seriously as an artist).
It has been only a few years that I have been questioning (shame inducing) criticism and intellectualism that merely comes from the head, from thoughts. As I am growing older, I am opening up to accepting my own vulnerability and emotions (I have always struggled with and being shamed for), basically to live more in my heart than off of my brain/thoughts.

As we know, Michael Jackson wrote his often donned "simple", heartfelt songs to elicit our vulnerability and compassion. He chose a musical language that tried to include as many people as possible. He knew that we have to open our hearts and listen to our fellow human beings to "make that change".

Let´s discuss how intellectualism can sometimes be a trap to opening our hearts. Do you feel the same? What are your experiences with this? Why is it that we as humans so often put our heads over our hearts in the first place? And finally: Are Michael´s songs (see above) too simple to be good / to be art?

 

[zinniabooklover]

[...] Let´s discuss how intellectualism can sometimes be a trap to opening our hearts. Do you feel the same? What are your experiences with this? Why is it that we as humans so often put our heads over our hearts in the first place? And finally: Are Michael´s songs (see above) too simple to be good / to be art?

Fabulous post. I particularly want to stand up for WATW - Michael gave that song a specific job to do and it worked brilliantly.

I will just add to your final question by re-posting a quote (about HTW) from Susan Fast's book on the Dangerous album ...

Susan Fast - 'Dangerous'. P.82:
"One of the reasons - perhaps the main one - that Heal The World is so easy to write off is because it's so laden with convention. There's a deep-rooted suspicion of convention in Western culture ... We think that conventions make for meaningless art ..."

 

[bluemoon7]

Fabulous post.

I particularly want to stand up for WATW - Michael gave that song a specific job to do and it worked brilliantly.

I will just add to your final question by re-posting a quote (about HTW) from Susan Fast's book on the Dangerous album ...

Susan Fast - 'Dangerous'. P.82:
"One of the reasons - perhaps the main one - that Heal The World is so easy to write off is because it's so laden with convention. There's a deep-rooted suspicion of convention in Western culture ... We think that conventions make for meaningless art ..."

Thank you zin @zinniabooklover That is SPOT ON

 

[someplace_else]

I would like to open a thread on the following topic. Do you think this is interesting? Does a thread with this topic already exist?


The beauty and power in Michel Jackson´s "simple" songs

I have been trapped for most of my life in this (predominantly white male) intellectual belief that songs like "Heal the world" especially, but also "Earth Song", and even the worldwide beloved "We are the World" are too simple, and too pleasing to the ear ... too popular to be "good music". Mostly white male music critics and guys of my Gen X made me believe that these songs are too cheesy, kitsch and shallow to be taken seriously, (and therefore also serve as evidence to the assumption that Michael Jackson is not to be taken seriously as an artist).
It has been only a few years that I have been questioning (shame inducing) criticism and intellectualism that merely comes from the head, from thoughts. As I am growing older, I am opening up to accepting my own vulnerability and emotions (I have always struggled with and being shamed for), basically to live more in my heart than off of my brain/thoughts.

As we know, Michael Jackson wrote his often donned "simple", heartfelt songs to elicit our vulnerability and compassion. He chose a musical language that tried to include as many people as possible. He knew that we have to open our hearts and listen to our fellow human beings to "make that change".

Let´s discuss how intellectualism can sometimes be a trap to opening our hearts. Do you feel the same? What are your experiences with this? Why is it that we as humans so often put our heads over our hearts in the first place? And finally: Are Michael´s songs (see above) too simple to be good / to be art?

Waiting for the thread

 

[bluemoon7]

Fabulous post. I particularly want to stand up for WATW - Michael gave that song a specific job to do and it worked brilliantly.

I will just add to your final question by re-posting a quote (about HTW) from Susan Fast's book on the Dangerous album ...

Susan Fast - 'Dangerous'. P.82:
"One of the reasons - perhaps the main one - that Heal The World is so easy to write off is because it's so laden with convention. There's a deep-rooted suspicion of convention in Western culture ... We think that conventions make for meaningless art ..."

@zinniabooklover I finally made a thread ... may I transfer your post to this new thread?

 

[zinniabooklover]

@zinniabooklover I finally made a thread ... may I transfer your post to this new thread?

Sure.

 

[bluemoon7]

… change


When I want or even need to change things, I tend to fall into a trap of "overdoing" it / perfectionism. What helped me is taking advice from a person I cherish:

If you want to or need to change (something) in your life, start making small, even tiny adjustments. It should feel good and not pressuring / imposing.


Practice and patience:

I experience that patience and practicing (a certain amount ofdiscipline) are key. Sometimes I hold on to a routine, although it doesn´t make sense to me at the moment. Only something inside tells me to hold on to this routine. And I keep doing it without questioning it every single time.

What never helped me was people telling me, and especially myself telling myself „be patient!“ I am practicing patience in a reassuring rather than imperative way. Instead of shouting to myself "BE PATIENT!" I combine a reassuring phrase with a positive physical sign like smiling, patting myself on the shoulder, you get the idea … (I took this last tip from behavioral therapy)


Disclaimer: I am not a therapist, just someone who likes to share and discuss things that helped me.

I would love to hear your experiences with this topic

 

[jasmine.uddin]

… change


When I want or even need to change things, I tend to fall into a trap of "overdoing" it / perfectionism. What helped me is taking advice from a person I cherish:

If you want to or need to change (something) in your life, start making small, even tiny adjustments. It should feel good and not pressuring / imposing.


Practice and patience:

I experience that patience and practicing (a certain amount ofdiscipline) are key. Sometimes I hold on to a routine, although it doesn´t make sense to me at the moment. Only something inside tells me to hold on to this routine. And I keep doing it without questioning it every single time.

What never helped me was people telling me, and especially myself telling myself „be patient!“ I am practicing patience in a reassuring rather than imperative way. Instead of shouting to myself "BE PATIENT!" I combine a reassuring phrase with a positive physical sign like smiling, patting myself on the shoulder, you get the idea … (I took this last tip from behavioral therapy)


Disclaimer: I am not a therapist, just someone who likes to share and discuss things that helped me.

I would love to hear your experiences with this topic

Although I cannot respond as a HSP, I do find the word 'patience' can feel conflicting, I feel it is the metaphorical equivalent of remaining calm in the eye of a storm, which in itself is a daunting idea. It sounds like you are combining the word with mindfulness, and that probably is the best way to remain calm in the middle of a storm in order to gain perspective and make level headed decisions.

 

[bluemoon7]

Although I cannot respond as a HSP, I do find the word 'patience' can feel conflicting, I feel it is the metaphorical equivalent of remaining calm in the eye of a storm, which in itself is a daunting idea.

This aspect / interpretation of patience is very interesting to me. Yes, it sure can be very daunting.

It sounds like you are combining the word with mindfulness,

yes

 

[bluemoon7]

The daily overwhelm (work, city pace & noise, personal issues, ...) often makes it hard for us, especially for HSP, to listen to our bodies and trust our gut feeling. Also, modern society doesn't encourage us to listen. Instead, we go with the flow and focus on our appearance, or clothes, focus on being functional and perfect, try to fit in where maybe we cannot fit.

I feel that our bodies know so much more than our brains when it comes to being healthy or becoming healthy.

 

[someplace_else]

The daily overwhelm (work, city pace & noise, personal issues, ...) often makes it hard for us, especially for HSP, to listen to our bodies and trust our gut feeling. Also, modern society doesn't encourage us to listen. Instead, we go with the flow and focus on our appearance, or clothes, focus on being functional and perfect, try to fit in where maybe we cannot fit.

I feel that our bodies know so much more than our brains when it comes to being healthy or becoming healthy.

The problem is: how to find time to listen to our bodies and to relax. In modern society there is no room for that

 

[squirrelinthetree]

The problem is: how to find time to listen to our bodies and to relax. In modern society there is no room for that

You mention one of my major challenges.
I like to remind myself of what my grandma told me: you cannot have (as in find) time, you have to take the time for what is important. Sounded quite convincing coming from a 90 year old lady (RIP grannie)
It encourages me to focus on what's important to me. I understood focusing is especially hard for HSP. But maybe part of it is also considering yourself entitled to focus instead of trying to please everyone's expectations...?

 

[bluemoon7]

The problem is: how to find time to listen to our bodies and to relax. In modern society there is no room for that

I think it needs regular practice more than a lot of time. But I could be wrong ...

 

[Victorious]

I have been trapped for most of my life in this (predominantly white male) intellectual belief that songs like "Heal the world" especially, but also "Earth Song", and even the worldwide beloved "We are the World" are too simple, and too pleasing to the ear ..

That's not fair though, it was predominantly the black community who bashed him for this, as well as his skin turning lighter

 

[someplace_else]

You mention one of my major challenges.
I like to remind myself of what my grandma told me: you cannot have (as in find) time, you have to take the time for what is important. Sounded quite convincing coming from a 90 year old lady (RIP grannie)
It encourages me to focus on what's important to me. I understood focusing is especially hard for HSP. But maybe part of it is also considering yourself entitled to focus instead of trying to please everyone's expectations...?

That's true, of course. My problem is mainly that I have too many hobbies and things I want to do...and a main job, a mini job, a side business, friends, family, chores, you name it . I know I have to change something, also have some ideas, but it takes time .

I think it needs regular practice more than a lot of time. But I could be wrong ...

Practice what exactly? Relaxing? Hard thing for me to do, not just because of time issues, mainly focusing issues

 

[bluemoon7]

The problem is: how to find time to listen to our bodies and to relax. In modern society there is no room for that

That's true, of course. My problem is mainly that I have too many hobbies and things I want to do...and a main job, a mini job, a side business, friends, family, chores, you name it . I know I have to change something, also have some ideas, but it takes time .


Practice what exactly? Relaxing? Hard thing for me to do, not just because of time issues, mainly focusing issues

I meant: Trying to find even small amounts of time to listen to the body, and not necessarily doing this to relax but just listening in general. Mmh, how do I explain Okay: I learnt that it is very helpful / key to pay more attention to signals from my body. For example maybe not continue to work out when there is a pain in my stomach. Or stop overthinking a topic when I get dizzy. I feel we tend to downplay such signals too often, but actually should listen to these signals and tend to them.

 

[someplace_else]

I meant: Trying to find even small amounts of time to listen to the body, and not necessarily doing this to relax but just listening in general. Mmh, how do I explain Okay: I learnt that it is very helpful / key to pay more attention to signals from my body. For example maybe not continue to work out when there is a pain in my stomach. Or stop overthinking a topic when I get dizzy. I feel we tend to downplay such signals too often, but actually should listen to these signals and tend to them.

Yeah, I get it. Also hard to do . I guess, mainly because most of us were told to function and to work hard and not to be "weak".