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Dangerous Short Films are currently being upscaled to 4K on YouTube!

A bit off topic but I'd definitely like to see more of MJ directing the show, talking about it etc. We got a bit of that in the special features but not much.

We already got the "what the show was supposed to be" thing with the movie, I don't think we need any more of that.
 
MJJ.D777 said:
Ok, now I'm sure, the jumbotron scenes were also filmed in 4K? So a 4K re-release is possible.
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Even though 4K cameras were used the final movie was finished in 2K according to IMDB. So they would have to some editing again if they were to release it in native 4K. I don't know if they have some rough edit in 4K.
 
It doesn't have to be 4K imo, that's all I am reading here. The quality has to improve in some way, that's what is important. I don't care if it's FullHD, 4K, 8K or whatever.

The "upscales" just look like taking a jpeg that's out of focus, using a sharpening tool and denoise... doesn't work that way, they should know that. Well, I am sure they know but they think "it's good enough".

It is heartbreaking to think about how much work Michael and all the teams involved in the short films put in there to create something outstanding and how it is treated now. Ugh.
 
All short films post Bad have their masters on tape, therefore you first have to locate and scan every camera negative, remove scratches and dust, edit and mix the whole thing back together and on top recreate VFX or manually cut shots out of an upscaled version from the tape master and edit them into the film scan
 
things are about to roll off next year with the biopic, album and so on so let's wait and see, HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor get a reissue by MoFi next year so that's gonna be great
 
I'll go out and say it - AI remasters look awful, 100% of the time. I've never seen a good one. Including fan made "remasters". There was a wave of kids remastering every video in 2010-2012, it feels very much like that
 
dam2040 said:
I'll go out and say it - AI remasters look awful, 100% of the time. I've never seen a good one. Including fan made "remasters". There was a wave of kids remastering every video in 2010-2012, it feels very much like that
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Agreed. Even ones that I have seen people say look good always look bad to me. They always look off or lq in some way.

Maybe if you're watching on a phone screen they might look decent. Anything bigger and it falls apart pretty quickly in my opinion.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Agreed. Even ones that I have seen people say look good always look bad to me. They always look off or lq in some way.

Maybe if you're watching on a phone screen they might look decent. Anything bigger and it falls apart pretty quickly in my opinion.
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It's unnatural sharpness etc. Just looks weird.


Like this is a film reel scan, why do you need to AI blitz the life out of it? This channel is a particularly terrible offender.
 
In The Closet looks awful, are they even watching these before they release them?

At this point we have to question whether it's self sabotage, I mean this is Michael art they're destroying. What's the purpose?

The fact they're replacing the very watchable originals with this rubbish is despicable.
 
mjfp said:
All short films post Bad have their masters on tape, therefore you first have to locate and scan every camera negative, remove scratches and dust, edit and mix the whole thing back together and on top recreate VFX or manually cut shots out of an upscaled version from the tape master and edit them into the film scan
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Using the SD source for some shots is ok in my opinion. It might not always look good but it can. It works in Careless Whisper music video:

 
mjfp said:
I‘ve said it hundreds of times before, we need a This Is It documentary series like The Beatles‘ Get Back
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If you'd kept up the Jackson family vs AEG lawsuit you'd probably disagree. I love the TII film but a lot of the behind the scenes stuff was sad and depressing.

A lot of Michael not showing up, being cold/shivering, Kenny Ortega having to force him to eat (and behind the scenes Kenny was trying to get AEG to cancel due to Michael's health).
 
the truth has to be told, but even if not, the 120 hours of footage could be cut down to 6-8h showing Michael still at his peak like the movie
 
mjfp said:
the truth has to be told, but even if not, the 120 hours of footage could be cut down to 6-8h showing Michael still at his peak like the movie
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Here's Kenny's testimony. The truth can be told but it would be a sad time thats for sure.


Here's the CEO of AEG's email as well:

“I screamed at him so loud the walls were shaking,” Phillips wrote to AEG parent company CEO Tim Leiweke. “Tohme (Jackson’s manager) and I have dressed him, and they are finishing his hair, and then we are rushing to the O2. This is the scariest thing I have ever seen. He’s an emotionally paralyzed mess, filled with self-loathing and doubt now that it is show time. He is scared to death. Right now I just want to get through this press conference.”

Not sure we need a documentary on this. If we do want a truthful documentary it won't be from Columbia or the Estate who are the ones that hold the footage.
 
Resolution doesn't even matter that much. Just because something is 4k doesn't mean it automatically looks good. The picture quality of the source is much more important. A restoration of a music video where the original film is scanned and restored will look much better in 720p resolution than an old vhs copy upscaled and encoded at 4k. Most of the "4k remasters" on youtube look shit because it's just the old vhs copy with some filters and color grading encoded at 4k resolution.
A proper 4k remaster will look much better on every device. On a small phone screen in 480p or on a big tv.
 
Scared of the Moon said:
Resolution doesn't even matter that much. Just because something is 4k doesn't mean it automatically looks good. The picture quality of the source is much more important. A restoration of a music video where the original film is scanned and restored will look much better in 720p resolution than an old vhs copy upscaled and encoded at 4k. Most of the "4k remasters" on youtube look shit because it's just the old vhs copy with some filters and color grading encoded at 4k resolution.
A proper 4k remaster will look much better on every device. On a small phone screen in 480p or on a big tv.
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no crap
 
Scared of the Moon said:
Resolution doesn't even matter that much. Just because something is 4k doesn't mean it automatically looks good. The picture quality of the source is much more important. A restoration of a music video where the original film is scanned and restored will look much better in 720p resolution than an old vhs copy upscaled and encoded at 4k. Most of the "4k remasters" on youtube look shit because it's just the old vhs copy with some filters and color grading encoded at 4k resolution.
A proper 4k remaster will look much better on every device. On a small phone screen in 480p or on a big tv.
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That doesn't always mean that it will look that good either like Peter Jackson's super DNR'd Beatles stuff on Disney+. 🤣 2 of The Beatles are still alive (3 if you count Pete Best) & they (plus Yoko & Olivia) signed off on it
 
They could have used my 960p upscale in 2020, convert it to 4K with some random video converter, and upload it. I'm sure it would look much better than this.
 
Toby34 said:
Aqui está o depoimento de Kenny. A verdade pode ser dita, mas certamente será um momento triste.


Segue também o e-mail do CEO da AEG:

"Gritei com ele tão alto que as paredes tremeram", escreveu Phillips ao CEO da AEG, empresa controladora da AEG. "Tohme (empresário de Jackson) e eu o vestimos, estão terminando o cabelo dele e corremos para a O2 Arena. Esta é a coisa mais assustadora que já vi. Ele está emocionalmente paralisado, tomado por autodepreciação e dúvidas agora que o show está chegando. Ele está morrendo de medo. No momento, só quero terminar esta coletiva de imprensa."

Não tenho certeza se precisamos de um documentário sobre isso. Se quisermos um documentário verídico, não será da Columbia ou dos herdeiros, que são os detentores das imagens.
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How can I watch the trial from 2011 to 2013? I've always wanted to see it to better understand the case. I've also seen some news reports showing camera angles that weren't used in the film.
 
MJJ.D777 said:
How can I watch the trial from 2011 to 2013? I've always wanted to see it to better understand the case. I've also seen some news reports showing camera angles that weren't used in the film.
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I remember it being livestreamed by Court TV at the time but not sure if it's archived or not. The testimony should all be available in written form however. Maybe I'm mixing it up with the Murray trial. Been a long time.
 
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