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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

ChanceToDance said:
I don't think any of the final years songs we've heard so far sounds bad, far from it, but they just aren't "unique" or "unlike anything we heard in music" like they were rumoured to be, you can easily draw comparisons to other songs of MJ's or to songs from that time period.

"Adore You" is a lot like "Will You Be There", "Rocker" is like "They Don't Care About Us" with a tint of "Give In To Me", "Boy No" sounds like your average Buxer collab from the 2000's, "Water" was described as being a complex track but it's essentially just a looped chorus, "Dark Lady" sounds like late 2000's hip-hop and so on. Plus a lot of the songs are instrumental grooves which have nothing to write home about.

Again, I don't think any of these songs are bad, you can definitely see the potential with a few of them, but they were definitely overhyped to a certain degree like a lot of the material in the vault tends to be.
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I agree, most of the songs from the 2000s are really just built off the successes of the 90s.
 
AlwaysThere said:
In fairness, I don’t think it was ever confirmed that “Adore You,” “Rocker,” or “Boy No” were written post-trial. I don’t think the second two were even on MJ’s radar based on his notes.

But even then, it’s hard to judge based on a handful of songs and snippets. Every era has some mediocre tracks. Imagine you’d never heard MJ before and someone told you that Thriller was one of the best albums ever made, but the only songs they played you were “The Girl is Mine,” the “Behind the Mask” demo, “Nightline,” and “Can’t Get Outta the Rain.” I think we’d need MUCH more to accurately see where MJ’s compositional skills where.
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By final years I was extending to anything produced after "Invincible".

That's a fair point, but with the 2000's era I feel it's a bit of a different case with how little material there is from that era. We know those looped choruses and mumbled vocals are the most developed ideas there is, we know a good chunk of the music Michael was working on in his final years were demos from past decades, we know that more often than not a new song from that period can be just an instrumental groove or a song written by another artist, so what we hear might just be enough to give us a clear picture.

I won't say anything with too much certainty since most of what we got was just 10-second snippets, but so far I haven't been impressed by anything we heard. Cool songs, just nothing groundbreaking. Really only the diehard fans would care to hear them.
 
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ChanceToDance said:
I don't think any of the final years songs we've heard so far sounds bad, far from it, but they just aren't "unique" or "unlike anything we heard in music" like they were rumoured to be, you can easily draw comparisons to other songs of MJ's or to songs from that time period.

"Adore You" is a lot like "Will You Be There", "Rocker" is like "They Don't Care About Us" with a tint of "Give In To Me", "Boy No" sounds like your average Buxer collab from the 2000's, "Water" was described as being a complex track but it's essentially just a looped chorus, "Dark Lady" sounds like late 2000's hip-hop and so on. Plus a lot of the songs are instrumental grooves which have nothing to write home about.

Again, I don't think any of these songs are bad, you can definitely see the potential with a few of them, but they were definitely overhyped to a certain degree like a lot of the material in the vault tends to be.
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When I listen to Water it is so similar to Stranger in Moscow, especially the instrumental.
 
Well, we do know that "Dancing For Love" is a potential hit song and one of the last tracks he worked on before his passing. There were also several CDs found at his house — Jeffré Phillips’ lawsuit brought those titles to light, including "All Right", "Ready 2 Win", "Dance MJ McKellar", "Love Heals", "Earth Love", and "Heaven With a Smile". They could be instrumentals, but we don’t really know for sure.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t think it was ever confirmed that “Adore You,” “Rocker,” or “Boy No” were written post-trial. I don’t think the second two were even on MJ’s radar based on his notes.

But even then, it’s hard to judge based on a handful of songs and snippets. Every era has some mediocre tracks. Imagine you’d never heard MJ before and someone told you that Thriller was one of the best albums ever made, but the only songs they played you were “The Girl is Mine,” the “Behind the Mask” demo, “Nightline,” and “Can’t Get Outta the Rain.” I think we’d need MUCH more to accurately see where MJ’s compositional skills where.
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Honestly most of the stuff from that time barely had any MJ involvement at all. Lots of it is just instrumentals made by neff u, will, and Brad/MP
 
Alaslam said:
What is the hype around 2000s era songs they’re all terrible to me
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People want to hear songs that Michael worked on in his final years. With the exception of Hold My Hand, which was written and recorded in 2007, there aren't any other songs released from Michael's final years.
 
Still The King said:
Well, we do know that "Dancing For Love" is a potential hit song and one of the last tracks he worked on before his passing.
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Not to be that guy, but it was never confirmed whether or not “Dancing for Love” is the releasable RedOne track. They were working on a bunch of songs, most of which we don’t have titles for. It’s possible “Dancing for Love” is just one of the working titles.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I don’t think it was ever confirmed that “Adore You,” “Rocker,” or “Boy No” were written post-trial. I don’t think the second two were even on MJ’s radar based on his notes.

But even then, it’s hard to judge based on a handful of songs and snippets. Every era has some mediocre tracks. Imagine you’d never heard MJ before and someone told you that Thriller was one of the best albums ever made, but the only songs they played you were “The Girl is Mine,” the “Behind the Mask” demo, “Nightline,” and “Can’t Get Outta the Rain.” I think we’d need MUCH more to accurately see where MJ’s compositional skills where.
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Very interesting that Rocker and Boy No weren’t even on the list of songs in his bedroom. Especially Boy No, since it was actually done in 2008. I wonder why that is.
 
Since we're on a similar topic I gotta bring this up again
ChanceToDance said:
So I went back to this fake snippet of "Brad Loop" I remember stumbling upon a while ago to compare it to the real thing now that we have it and there's a comment claiming this is actually a snippet of "Silent Spring"
I know, some rando on YT, far from being the most reliable source of credibility but I still would like to make sure. Is anyone able to verify?
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Is someone able to take this to Damien to see if this is really a snippet of "Silent Spring"? I know a YT comment isn't reliable at all but it's odd that they brought up such a specific song. With everything that's been leaking it's not far fetched to say collectors managed to get their hands on that song as well.
 
dethorro said:
Very interesting that Rocker and Boy No weren’t even on the list of songs in his bedroom. Especially Boy No, since it was actually done in 2008. I wonder why that is.
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Was “Boy No” done in 2008? I never saw that confirmed.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Was “Boy No” done in 2008? I never saw that confirmed.
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I don't know if there was ever a confirmed year, all I know is that it's post-trial. And considering Brad left in early 2008 and Brad is credited as Producer, I'll wager that Boy No is actually from 2006-07. Dare I say '05?
 
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