Invincible 25th Anniversary

Was bored yesterday and made this custom cover, since the actual cover always bugs me...slightly. There are way too many variations of MJs face so I tried something using the 99 photoshoot:
I also found these uploads from a person who went out of his way to restore the mastering of the album using various tricks:

His process:
 
25 years! Seems like only yesterday I was listening to the album leaks before it was released. The lead up to that album was torture, there was precious little news, just the occasional bit of grand hyperbole from people in the know.

I'd want any 25th anniversary release to give it the second chance it deserves. Some tracks really resonate with younger generations, and there were clearly songs like Threatened that were made with short films in mind.

MSFGA (Make Short Films Great Again)
 
they should absolutely release an anniversary edition of Invincible along with the second MJ movie. they got perfect single material available: GYWOOM.
 
i think they might actually do something for invincible of all things
this album has been popular amongst younger audiences, and the estates focus (aside from the biopic) is to bring in new fans. itd make sense in my eyes
 
they should absolutely release an anniversary edition of Invincible along with the second MJ movie. they got perfect single material available: GYWOOM.
I don’t get the high praise for this song at all.
But if your favorite album is Invincible, then it’s understandable.
Personally, I don’t care much for it….neither the original album nor any deluxe version.
Still, if it’s released, I’d definitely give any unreleased songs a listen.
 
For Michael, Invincible seems to have been a serious project, like the albums before it:

SB: If your career now suffers for being a hands-on father, you are prepared to accept that price?
MJ: No, I am not prepared for that. I can do both. I feel I have to.
- The Michael Jackson Tapes, page 79
 
thanks @SilkySnare
Invincible iconic confirmed
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Can we please bombard the estate with the request to release something? It's not too late for them to come up with something just in time.
Great idea! This will motivate them to post on social media some gem from the actual studio sessions.

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It was m last ever full studio album so it is really something. I think it is like the last photo shoots. All of these projects in his last later years should be documented.
 
The folks at the estate don't care about anything except for money.
I keep seeing this argument but this is absolutely not true. If they were after money they would release way more things. Even stuff that only diehard-fans would care about. The only thing the estate does is to keep it safe with their releases because of MJs reputation. They just ocasionally remind people that he did Thriller and Bad and that's it.
 
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Nowadays, shortly before the release of the biopic, a line in Threatened is more important than ever:
Your worst nightmare, it's me, I'm everywhere
 
Over 4 million views and over 400k likes for song that MJ didn’t even release as a single by the way. Posted two days ago
 
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I really love the fan synth cover of Threatened. Honestly, I think it was one of Michael's biggest missed opportunities during the album sessions. This song suits a synth-driven sound so much better than guitars... and that’s exactly how it sounded in This Is It! With that sound, the track truly comes alive and captures that Halloween vibe Michael was clearly going for. I’d love to see a fan-made remix with a proper synth focus. The song is brilliant, but the album version is unfortunately held back by its own production

 
Hey Estate, this is what we want:

estate:


We appreciate the creativity of the fans who take the time and effort to create fan videos about the material they want to see released. We want everything released too. However, the Michael Jackson Estate, as the envy of all estates, has a responsibility to protect Michael Jackson’s legacy.

We’ve been heavily involved in projects over the past 10 years, including two major ones: the MJ musical and the MJ biopic. At the moment, our focus is on those projects, and we want people to go there and spend their money on that.
 
I guess this thread is acceptable to post what I typed up. @threatened2020
Out of all of this I am interested in the 'Invincible' saga, did they really give him grief for taking too long with it?
Yeah because time is money. Sometime in 1999, Michael invited Tommy and Cory Rooney to listen to Break of Dawn in the studio. This would've been around January-February if I had to guess. Both of the executives were ecstatic because the song was fantastic. Tommy then recommended Cory to write something for Michael, which is how She Was Lovin' Me came to be; it was recorded between late March and early April of the same year. Tommy and Michael had a good working relationship during this period and Sony was fully behind the project. Tommy wanted the album released the fourth quarter of the year so Michael would be set for the new millennium. Mind you, Michael had been recording the album for going on two years already at this point (from October 1997 onward).

From 1997 through 2001, Michael spent between 30-40 million dollars (there are no exact numbers, just around 30 or more), and that is not counting the additional 25-30 million Sony dropped on it for promotions after the fact. 55-75 million dollars is a lot of money for a single album, especially when you consider the album was not making back the budget spent on it. Should Tommy have dumped many more millions of dollars on it when it was already tanking? More promotion would have helped, but it would have created more debt in the process.

Anyway, in autumn of 2000, Michael had told Sony he was going to start having the songs mixed and ready for an early 2001 release. He flaked and did not do that. Instead, not only did he not properly communicate what he was doing, but he decided to extend the budget further and make more songs. If you were a Sony VP, would you be happy about this? Of course not. This was around the period when there was a bit of drama with Tyrese, who begrudgingly let him have 2000 Watts. Can you believe Michael just yoinked someone's title track?

Tommy was still not too angry with Michael, as he invited him to his wedding in December of that year. All was still fine even if they were not pleased with the amount of money and time taken. Just because you're Michael Jackson does not mean you get to spend unlimited money that isn't even yours. That's bad business, and it's something no one else would even remotely get away with it.

Michael had a meeting with the Sony executives in June of 2001. They listened to the album and were not thrilled. Apparently, the room went quiet and got tense. I'd probably have to look, but it was either this meeting or one after where Tommy and Michael got into a heated argument about the singles that would be released. Michael desperately needed to be reeled back in from whatever the **** was going on with the tracks he chose, and Sony was trying to do that, but he would not listen. All that happened was Shout got replaced (but this was around September and may not have involved Sony at all)... which was the wrong song to drop for sure. It was during this meeting that Michael withdrew, dropping his desire for Unbreakable to be the lead single, instead opting for what Sony wanted: You Rock My World. Michael agreed to start the process for filming the music video right away.

Later meetings would have Tommy and Michael arguing about which songs would get additional music videos--Michael wanted a video for Unbreakable and Threatened, but there were two problems. Michael wanted to break his contract and screw Sony out of money while also retaining full control of the album. Tommy was pissed and withdrew funding. Michael still had a door though, if he toured then they could make back money for the album. But given Michael's refusal to tour after 9/11 with the album sales sinking in spite of promotion, Sony was done with him at the time. Michael claimed he would fund it, but that never happened. While a tour would have increased the aforementioned debt further, it would have likely evened it out in the end. That was really all Michael could do given how poorly things were going, and according to Michael Prince, he was going to tour. Then 9/11 happened, and he changed his mind (Michael hated to tour as we know, so this was likely an excuse).

November of 2001 would be pivotal for Michael, as he went to Times Square to promote the album, but there was a lot of screaming and yelling going on in the background. This would be roughly when Michael would get angry about kicking Sony out of the picture and retaining complete control. Tommy gave him immediate backlash by refusing to air What More Can I Give (just a few days after the Times Square promotion). Michael made a lot of threats against the Sony executives, mainly Tommy, at the time. Those threats would be realized the following year.

Because of Sony withdrawing due to Michael's insane demands and refusal to cooperate, he went on his little anti-Sony/Tommy tour during the summer of 2002.

Michael still had to release an album and a boxset given his contract he signed shortly after Janet signed her Virgin contract, which topped hers... seems petty, but it could just be a coincidence. Michael was still on okay terms after the Invincible fiasco, because he received a cash advance for the Ultimate edition in 2004 before it was released. Things are not entirely what they appear.

This is just a basic overview, but there's been a lot of people that have talked at length about the innerworkings of the album and what actually happened. This is just from my memory right now. Michael took several years, spent a ton of money, wouldn't tour to make it back amid less than great sales, and then got angry Sony withdrew promotions over what happened in the background. I do agree with Michael though, Unbreakable would have been a better lead single than You Rock My World. And the video concept sounds a lot cooler too.
 
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I guess this thread is acceptable to post what I typed up. @threatened2020

Yeah because time is money. Sometime in 1999, Michael invited Tommy and Cory Rooney to listen to Break of Dawn in the studio. This would've been around January-February if I had to guess. Both of the executives were ecstatic because the song was fantastic. Tommy then recommended Cory to write something for Michael, which is how She Was Lovin' Me came to be; it was recorded between late March and early April of the same year. Tommy and Michael had a good working relationship during this period and Sony was fully behind the project. Tommy wanted the album released the fourth quarter of the year so Michael would be set for the new millennium. Mind you, Michael had been recording the album for going on two years already at this point (from October 1997 onward).

From 1997 through 2001, Michael spent between 30-40 million dollars (there are no exact numbers, just around 30 or more), and that is not counting the additional 25-30 million Sony dropped on it for promotions after the fact. 55-75 million dollars is a lot of money for a single album, especially when you consider the album was not making back the budget spent on it. Should Tommy have dumped many more millions of dollars on it when it was already tanking? More promotion would have helped, but it would have created more debt in the process.

Anyway, in autumn of 2000, Michael had told Sony he was going to start having the songs mixed and ready for an early 2001 release. He flaked and did not do that. Instead, not only did he not properly communicate what he was doing, but he decided to extend the budget further and make more songs. If you were a Sony VP, would you be happy about this? Of course not. This was around the period when there was a bit of drama with LaShawn Daniels, who begrudgingly let him have 2000 Watts. Can you believe Michael just yoinked someone's title track?

Tommy was still not too angry with Michael, as he invited him to his wedding in December of that year. All was still fine even if they were not pleased with the amount of money and time taken. Just because you're Michael Jackson does not mean you get to spend unlimited money that isn't even yours. That's bad business, and it's something no one else would even remotely get away with it.

Michael had a meeting with the Sony executives in June of 2001. They listened to the album and were not thrilled. Apparently, the room went quiet and got tense. I'd probably have to look, but it was either this meeting or one after where Tommy and Michael got into a heated argument about the singles that would be released. Michael desperately needed to be reeled back in from whatever the **** was going on with the tracks he chose, and Sony was trying to do that, but he would not listen. All that happened was Shout got replaced (but this was around September and may not have involved Sony at all)... which was the wrong song to drop for sure. It was during this meeting that Michael withdrew, dropping his desire for Unbreakable to be the lead single, instead opting for what Sony wanted: You Rock My World. Michael agreed to start the process for filming the music video right away.

Later meetings would have Tommy and Michael arguing about which songs would get additional music videos--Michael wanted a video for Unbreakable and Threatened, but there were two problems. Michael wanted to break his contract and screw Sony out of money while also retaining full control of the album. Tommy was pissed and withdrew funding. Michael still had a door though, if he toured then they could make back money for the album. But given Michael's refusal to tour after 9/11 with the album sales sinking in spite of promotion, Sony was done with him at the time. Michael claimed he would fund it, but that never happened. While a tour would have increased the aforementioned debt further, it would have likely evened it out in the end. That was really all Michael could do given how poorly things were going, and according to Michael Prince, he was going to tour. Then 9/11 happened, and he changed his mind (Michael hated to tour as we know, so this was likely an excuse).

November of 2001 would be pivotal for Michael, as he went to Times Square to promote the album, but there was a lot of screaming and yelling going on in the background. This would be roughly when Michael would get angry about kicking Sony out of the picture and retaining complete control. Tommy gave him immediate backlash by refusing to air What More Can I Give (just a few days after the Times Square promotion). Michael made a lot of threats against the Sony executives, mainly Tommy, at the time. Those threats would be realized the following year.

Because of Sony withdrawing due to Michael's insane demands and refusal to cooperate, he went on his little anti-Sony/Tommy tour during the summer of 2002.

Michael still had to release an album and a boxset given his contract he signed shortly after Janet signed her Virgin contract, which topped hers... seems petty, but it could just be a coincidence. Michael was still on okay terms after the Invincible fiasco, because he received a cash advance for the Ultimate edition in 2004 before it was released. Things are not entirely what they appear.

This is just a basic overview, but there's been a lot of people that have talked at length about the innerworkings of the album and what actually happened. This is just from my memory right now. Michael took several years, spent a ton of money, wouldn't tour to make it back amid less than great sales, and then got angry Sony withdrew promotions over what happened in the background. I do agree with Michael though, Unbreakable would have been a better lead single than You Rock My World. And the video concept sounds a lot cooler too.
First of all, Sony didn’t spend 25 million on advertising. That’s a lie from Mottola. They spent 10 million at most (6 million of which went to the You Rock My World music video). The album basically had no promotion at all! Just 2-3 promo clips, and they even used only Michael’s face as a promo photo everywhere! This is despite the fact that Michael participated in at least two photo shoots, the shots from which could have easily been used to promote the album.

And I’m not even mentioning that neither of the two commercial singles was properly released! YRMW and Cry were only sold in Europe. And the cover featured that same single shot of Michael’s face... They were cutting corners on advertising big time, and that, of course, prevented Invincible from being promoted properly.

The fact that Mottola wanted a finished album from Michael by the end of 1999 was obviously stupid. Michael spent an average of about 4 years recording a new album. It was dumb to demand more from him. And don’t forget that in 1997, Mike released the Ghosts short film and the BOTDF remix album. All of that took up a lot of time. Invincible was meant to be released exactly in 2001.

And by the way, you didn’t mention that Sony wasn’t even happy with the album in 1999. That’s exactly why Michael had to add new songs. Most of the tracks are actually from 2001. Only 4-5 songs from the final tracklist were recorded before 2000.

Both Michael and Mottola are to blame for Invincible failing. But Mottola is more to blame because he really wanted to say "No" just to stroke his own ego. I’ve read fragments of his book. You can clearly see he was proud of being the only one who could refuse Michael. The guy just wanted to assert himself: "Look, I said no and put the King of Pop himself in his place!"

Two years later, this idiot was kicked out of Sony in disgrace. It was bound to happen
 
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