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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Pentum said:
I thought we were long past the wishes for a "proper commercial album". Such ideas are history to me. It's my opinion that we should rather strive for releases that aren't purely for financial gains, but to preserve the art he left. I know many people disagree with me on this, and it's rather off topic.

CDs/releases where it doesn't matter if the words are mumbled or don't make sense. It's about the art. It's all about the art now. At least that's what it should be.

It's ironic. They have had so many opportunities to get the people who exclusively worked on all the songs released, as well as songs that remain unreleased, yet they always avoided mostly such, and now, most of them have passed away, and the remaining ones won't be around forever either due to age.

You'll have only people who never even worked with Michael, "touching" his music.

I'm not arguing! Only sharing a quick word on the matter. I'm barely around here anymore. My English has become a shadow of its past. It's funny how it was the MJ world that always gave me a reason to write and discuss in the English language. Here on forums, or on Skype, heck even MSN back in the days.



This just pains me to read - no offense intended! It's like stomping on the art.

Since when did even the mainstream understand even 60% of what Michael is singing? Took years to master Jacksonese, remember? 😂
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I think what you wrote is something all fans would agree on, it would be the best outcome for all of us. But realistically, it's a utopian scenario that doesn't reflect the Estate's way of planning things.... We all know how important it is for them to focus on the commercial "appeal" of the songs, and of the MJ branding in general, even to the point of indirectly belittling other Estates, including Prince's lol.

Even though they used polite words in their old statement (from 2018-19?), what they clearly meant was:
"They release garbage, literally anything the artist recorded, even a burp, while we only select what's hit-viable or good enough for the TikTok youngster audience".

Sure, maybe they've changed their approach, and that's why they don't seem to think in terms of albums anymore, because in their view there aren't enough tracks with complete lyrics, strong material, etc etc. A few years back they said they were leaning toward releasing standalone singles now and then, precisely for the reasons mentioned above.
 
Saka21 said:
I think what you wrote is something all fans would agree on, it would be the best outcome for all of us. But realistically, it's a utopian scenario that doesn't reflect the Estate's way of planning things.... We all know how important it is for them to focus on the commercial "appeal" of the songs, and of the MJ branding in general, even to the point of indirectly belittling other Estates, including Prince's lol.

Even though they used polite words in their old statement (from 2018-19?), what they clearly meant was:
"They release garbage, literally anything the artist recorded, even a burp, while we only select what's hit-viable or good enough for the TikTok youngster audience".

Sure, maybe they've changed their approach, and that's why they don't seem to think in terms of albums anymore, because in their view there aren't enough tracks with complete lyrics, strong material, etc etc. A few years back they said they were leaning toward releasing standalone singles now and then, precisely for the reasons mentioned above.
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Any words from them saying anything about there not being enough songs, are pure lies. Maybe some, if not most of them, aren't really that strong, but they are def. full tracks and almost complete tracks enough for multiple albums.

Their problem is that they want to modernize songs and try making them fit the "current" trend, which is a recipe for failure when the man himself, or even most of the songs producers and writers, arent there to bless them.
 
Saka21 said:
I think what you wrote is something all fans would agree on, it would be the best outcome for all of us. But realistically, it's a utopian scenario that doesn't reflect the Estate's way of planning things.... We all know how important it is for them to focus on the commercial "appeal" of the songs, and of the MJ branding in general, even to the point of indirectly belittling other Estates, including Prince's lol.

Even though they used polite words in their old statement (from 2018-19?), what they clearly meant was:
"They release garbage, literally anything the artist recorded, even a burp, while we only select what's hit-viable or good enough for the TikTok youngster audience".

Sure, maybe they've changed their approach, and that's why they don't seem to think in terms of albums anymore, because in their view there aren't enough tracks with complete lyrics, strong material, etc etc. A few years back they said they were leaning toward releasing standalone singles now and then, precisely for the reasons mentioned above.
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When is Prince Jackson going to start calling the shots regarding the Estate? Isn't he like 25 now?
 
innuendo141 said:
Is TYLA from 1988?
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"Throwin' Your Life Away" was recorded between December 15, 1986-January 4, 1987 at Hayvenhurst.[1] It was co-produced by Bill Bottrell and intended for the Bad album, although it failed to make the final cut.

"Throwin' Your Life Away" was revisited in 1988, when Jackson was touring,[2] with vocals recorded during the early Dangerous sessions at Ocean Way Recording.
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Throwin' Your Life Away

"Throwin' Your Life Away" (also titled "Throwing Your Life Away" and "(Stop) Throwing Your Life Away") is an unreleased song written and produced by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson, intended for the Bad album. "Throwin' Your Life Away" was recorded between December 15, 1986-January 4...
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Pentum said:
@AlwaysThere I see you are still active. Do "we" have a list over all the leaked songs (full, incomplete, snippets) from the last few years?
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List of leaked songs

This is an ongoing list of all songs by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson that leaked over the years. Please note that this includes not only unreleased songs, but demos for already released material. The first online leaks reportedly date back to the late 1990s-early 2000s, when songs...
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This list is up to date! There are a few inaccuracies here and there (I don’t think it was ever confirmed that Dr. Freeze sang the “I Have This Dream,” not to mention that the listed leak date is incorrect), but otherwise it seems to be pretty accurate!
 
AlwaysThere said:
michael-jackson.fandom.com

List of leaked songs

This is an ongoing list of all songs by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson that leaked over the years. Please note that this includes not only unreleased songs, but demos for already released material. The first online leaks reportedly date back to the late 1990s-early 2000s, when songs...
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This list is up to date! There are a few inaccuracies here and there (I don’t think it was ever confirmed that Dr. Freeze sang the “I Have This Dream,” not to mention that the listed leak date is incorrect), but otherwise it seems to be pretty accurate!
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dude 2024 was a terrible year for new MJ content I'll tell ya that.
except GYWOOM that leak is great.
 
AlwaysThere said:
michael-jackson.fandom.com

List of leaked songs

This is an ongoing list of all songs by American singer-songwriter Michael Jackson that leaked over the years. Please note that this includes not only unreleased songs, but demos for already released material. The first online leaks reportedly date back to the late 1990s-early 2000s, when songs...
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This list is up to date! There are a few inaccuracies here and there (I don’t think it was ever confirmed that Dr. Freeze sang the “I Have This Dream,” not to mention that the listed leak date is incorrect), but otherwise it seems to be pretty accurate!
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List seems pretty updated. It's not an ultimate list, but here are songs that are unreleased that can be considered "unique" enough for a release:

1. Hot Street
2. Slapstick
3. Nite Line
4. There Must Be More to Life Than This (solo version)
5. If You Don’t Love Me
6. Serious Effect (feat. LL Cool J)
7. I Have This Dream
8. Groove of Midnight
9. She Got It
10. Happy Birthday Lisa
11. Work That Body
12. We Be Ballin’
13. I Never Heard
14. She’s Trouble
15. Another Day (unreleased version)
16. Get Your Weight Off of Me
17. Elizabeth, I Love You
18. I Am a Loser
19. Days in Gloucestershire
20. People of the World
21. Seeing Voices
22. Ghost of Another Lover
23. Family Thing
24. Jane Is a Groupie
25. Deep in the Night
26. Don’t Believe It
27. Seven Digits
28. Man in Black
29. Faces
30. Chicago 1945
31. Dream Away
32. The Toy
33. What a Lovely Way to Go
34. Adore You
35. Water
36. Changes
37. Boy No
38. Neverland Landing
39. Thank Heaven
40. Light the Way
41. Dark Lady
42. Rocker
43. Innocent Man
44. Remember What I Told You
45. Red Eye
46. Monster
47. Throwin’ Your Life Away
48. Don’t Matter to Me (MJ + Paul Anka demo)
49. Hollywood Tonight (1999 demo)
50. Victory
51. Hot Fun in the Summertime
52. Crack Kills

And there are even more songs we know of that are basically confirmed to exist like Tomboy and Buffalo Bill. I'm sure there are many I've left out, and I'm sure there are still many songs we don't even know of.

So quickly, 52 tracks could quickly make 3-4 albums/projects...
 
MJ5 said:
Another Day unreleased version.. how is it possible we still do not have the original track in full. What a great snippet leak that was... Many years ago..
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I'd guess "DJ Thucky" & "Kells" didn't get far enough to sell them before they got caught. Or if they did, the buyer still has it (or maybe the buyer has passed away, who knows? lol). Such an amazing mix.
 
Pentum said:
List seems pretty updated. It's not an ultimate list, but here are songs that are unreleased that can be considered "unique" enough for a release:

1. Hot Street
2. Slapstick
3. Nite Line
4. There Must Be More to Life Than This (solo version)
5. If You Don’t Love Me
6. Serious Effect (feat. LL Cool J)
7. I Have This Dream
8. Groove of Midnight
9. She Got It
10. Happy Birthday Lisa
11. Work That Body
12. We Be Ballin’
13. I Never Heard
14. She’s Trouble
15. Another Day (unreleased version)
16. Get Your Weight Off of Me
17. Elizabeth, I Love You
18. I Am a Loser
19. Days in Gloucestershire
20. People of the World
21. Seeing Voices
22. Ghost of Another Lover
23. Family Thing
24. Jane Is a Groupie
25. Deep in the Night
26. Don’t Believe It
27. Seven Digits
28. Man in Black
29. Faces
30. Chicago 1945
31. Dream Away
32. The Toy
33. What a Lovely Way to Go
34. Adore You
35. Water
36. Changes
37. Boy No
38. Neverland Landing
39. Thank Heaven
40. Light the Way
41. Dark Lady
42. Rocker
43. Innocent Man
44. Remember What I Told You
45. Red Eye
46. Monster
47. Throwin’ Your Life Away
48. Don’t Matter to Me (MJ + Paul Anka demo)
49. Hollywood Tonight (1999 demo)
50. Victory
51. Hot Fun in the Summertime
52. Crack Kills

And there are even more songs we know of that are basically confirmed to exist like Tomboy and Buffalo Bill. I'm sure there are many I've left out, and I'm sure there are still many songs we don't even know of.

So quickly, 52 tracks could quickly make 3-4 albums/projects...
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Again, I don't really agree...

Even though I don't support the Estate's heavy commercialization strategies, there's no chance most of these tracks would ever be considered for big albums, and I mean projects like Xscape, where they tried to take the very best material and shape it into something that at least faintly resembled a typical MJ studio album, both thematically and in terms of experimentation. The producers modernized the tracks, tried new things, and I'm pretty sure MJ himself would've liked most of it (maybe except for DYWYCA and STTR, what were they even thinking there, lmao…)

Hot Street, Slapstick, Nite Line: those were never cleared because Quincy wanted nothing to do with them while he was alive. Now that he's passed, other tracks beyond those will likely remain locked away for who knows how long. It's a difficult situation, and even back when it was more feasible, they tried to find a solution and couldn't.

Light the Way is just an instrumental with a choir… Red Eye almost certainly has no vocals, Innocent Man is basically just a chorus, same with Rocker, Water, Monster, Adore You. As a fan, I absolutely LOVE being able to hear them, but for the Estate it would be a guaranteed disaster. I'd be fine if they wanted to do a boxset, but even then it would need to be made very clear that these are unfinished ideas, even less complete than the tracks on The Ultimate Collection, less complete than In the Back, etc.
 
Pentum said:
List seems pretty updated. It's not an ultimate list, but here are songs that are unreleased that can be considered "unique" enough for a release:

1. Hot Street
2. Slapstick
3. Nite Line
4. There Must Be More to Life Than This (solo version)
5. If You Don’t Love Me
6. Serious Effect (feat. LL Cool J)
7. I Have This Dream
8. Groove of Midnight
9. She Got It
10. Happy Birthday Lisa
11. Work That Body
12. We Be Ballin’
13. I Never Heard
14. She’s Trouble
15. Another Day (unreleased version)
16. Get Your Weight Off of Me
17. Elizabeth, I Love You
18. I Am a Loser
19. Days in Gloucestershire
20. People of the World
21. Seeing Voices
22. Ghost of Another Lover
23. Family Thing
24. Jane Is a Groupie
25. Deep in the Night
26. Don’t Believe It
27. Seven Digits
28. Man in Black
29. Faces
30. Chicago 1945
31. Dream Away
32. The Toy
33. What a Lovely Way to Go
34. Adore You
35. Water
36. Changes
37. Boy No
38. Neverland Landing
39. Thank Heaven
40. Light the Way
41. Dark Lady
42. Rocker
43. Innocent Man
44. Remember What I Told You
45. Red Eye
46. Monster
47. Throwin’ Your Life Away
48. Don’t Matter to Me (MJ + Paul Anka demo)
49. Hollywood Tonight (1999 demo)
50. Victory
51. Hot Fun in the Summertime
52. Crack Kills

And there are even more songs we know of that are basically confirmed to exist like Tomboy and Buffalo Bill. I'm sure there are many I've left out, and I'm sure there are still many songs we don't even know of.

So quickly, 52 tracks could quickly make 3-4 albums/projects...
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Don’t forget Tomboy, it’s vocally complete
 
Saka21 said:
Again, I don't really agree...

Even though I don't support the Estate's heavy commercialization strategies, there's no chance most of these tracks would ever be considered for big albums, and I mean projects like Xscape, where they tried to take the very best material and shape it into something that at least faintly resembled a typical MJ studio album, both thematically and in terms of experimentation. The producers modernized the tracks, tried new things, and I'm pretty sure MJ himself would've liked most of it (maybe except for DYWYCA and STTR, what were they even thinking there, lmao…)
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I disagree, knowing Michael, in my opinion, he would not have liked a lot of these remixes these guys have been doing. None of us will know anyway. And again, I'm not really arguing for the estates sake only. "big albums" are done. Gone. There's no point trying anymore. This is why I rather insist on project/boxsets. It's beating a dead horse, I know.
Saka21 said:
Hot Street, Slapstick, Nite Line: those were never cleared because Quincy wanted nothing to do with them while he was alive. Now that he's passed, other tracks beyond those will likely remain locked away for who knows how long. It's a difficult situation, and even back when it was more feasible, they tried to find a solution and couldn't.

Light the Way is just an instrumental with a choir… Red Eye almost certainly has no vocals, Innocent Man is basically just a chorus, same with Rocker, Water, Monster, Adore You. As a fan, I absolutely LOVE being able to hear them, but for the Estate it would be a guaranteed disaster. I'd be fine if they wanted to do a boxset, but even then it would need to be made very clear that these are unfinished ideas, even less complete than the tracks on The Ultimate Collection, less complete than In the Back, etc.
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You shot down maybe 4-5 tracks, which isn't much. And you forget that there are still songs we don't know of.

It's not an issue to make it clear that songs are unfinished. They did it very well on the 2010 album, didn't they.

They should aim for art. Again. Art doesnt equal something that is complete or finished. This is what I'm trying to voice here. We've been around for so long now. The fans know better than the estate, biased or unbiased.
 
So just to be clear, the songs these “collectors” own were obtained through the 2013 Sony servers leak?
 
Saka21 said:
Light the Way is just an instrumental with a choir… Red Eye almost certainly has no vocals, Innocent Man is basically just a chorus, same with Rocker, Water, Monster, Adore You. As a fan, I absolutely LOVE being able to hear them, but for the Estate it would be a guaranteed disaster. I'd be fine if they wanted to do a boxset, but even then it would need to be made very clear that these are unfinished ideas, even less complete than the tracks on The Ultimate Collection, less complete than In the Back, etc.
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Didn't the Estate themselves say, early on after MJ's death, that a lot of his unreleased songs just had a chorus or incomplete lyrics but that they could be commercialized but turning them into posthumous duets?
 
kreen said:
Didn't the Estate themselves say, early on after MJ's death, that a lot of his unreleased songs just had a chorus or incomplete lyrics but that they could be commercialized but turning them into posthumous duets?
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Yes but I mean most fan comments about that were negative due to altering his art
 
Shit man Oh shit if he had finished his own songs instead of these 2nd class songproducers
 
Pentum said:
List seems pretty updated. It's not an ultimate list, but here are songs that are unreleased that can be considered "unique" enough for a release:

1. Hot Street
2. Slapstick
3. Nite Line
4. There Must Be More to Life Than This (solo version)
5. If You Don’t Love Me
6. Serious Effect (feat. LL Cool J)
7. I Have This Dream
8. Groove of Midnight
9. She Got It
10. Happy Birthday Lisa
11. Work That Body
12. We Be Ballin’
13. I Never Heard
14. She’s Trouble
15. Another Day (unreleased version)
16. Get Your Weight Off of Me
17. Elizabeth, I Love You
18. I Am a Loser
19. Days in Gloucestershire
20. People of the World
21. Seeing Voices
22. Ghost of Another Lover
23. Family Thing
24. Jane Is a Groupie
25. Deep in the Night
26. Don’t Believe It
27. Seven Digits
28. Man in Black
29. Faces
30. Chicago 1945
31. Dream Away
32. The Toy
33. What a Lovely Way to Go
34. Adore You
35. Water
36. Changes
37. Boy No
38. Neverland Landing
39. Thank Heaven
40. Light the Way
41. Dark Lady
42. Rocker
43. Innocent Man
44. Remember What I Told You
45. Red Eye
46. Monster
47. Throwin’ Your Life Away
48. Don’t Matter to Me (MJ + Paul Anka demo)
49. Hollywood Tonight (1999 demo)
50. Victory
51. Hot Fun in the Summertime
52. Crack Kills

And there are even more songs we know of that are basically confirmed to exist like Tomboy and Buffalo Bill. I'm sure there are many I've left out, and I'm sure there are still many songs we don't even know of.

So quickly, 52 tracks could quickly make 3-4 albums/projects...
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Majority of these songs have little to no vocals/lyrics. No one wants an album full of mumbles and placeholder lyrics
 
NetflexKing said:
There can be only 1 album that the estate could do with the remaining material. Maybe a Duet Album as well, implementing the unfinished tracks.
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It doesn't matter anymore. The train has long left the station.

They could have released at least one killer album after Michael's passing, had they had done it the propper way by allowing the original A & B teams compile the tracks, and whenever neccesary slightly fix them.
 
Fuzball said:
It doesn't matter anymore. The train has long left the station.

They could have released at least one killer album after Michael's passing, had they had done it the propper way by allowing the original A & B teams compile the tracks, and whenever neccesary slightly fix them.
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This is what they should've did from the beginning; let his Hayvenhurst and Westlake teams compile their material to create the ultimate experience.....this could've spanned for years but noooooooooooooo.
 
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Just gave TYLA a listen on proper speakers and I don’t think this is a complete vocal as it turns out. It sounds like a good amount of the lines are gibberish, especially the second verse. The vocals aren’t very present so I could be wrong, but my immediate impression is that I’d put this in the same category as WALWTG. I can understand why this hasn’t yet been put on an album.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Just gave TYLA a listen on proper speakers and I don’t think this is a complete vocal as it turns out. It sounds like a good amount of the lines are gibberish, especially the second verse. The vocals aren’t very present so I could be wrong, but my immediate impression is that I’d put this in the same category as WALWTG. I can understand why this hasn’t yet been put on an album.
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That's what it's been. The lyrics are mumbles and placeholders with a full chorus but people swear it's complete.
 
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