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50 dates? no economic sense

yeah i agree. the idea of doing 50 shows would have been daunting after not touring properly for so many years. even for a seasoned professional like michael jackson. throw in not eating well, not sleeping well (all signs of anxiety) and it could have been even more scary. plus knowing you have to deliver in every show, every performance, otherwise the press, ever ready to criticise, will rip you to shreds. it would be enough to terrify anyone.

likewise he had to do more shows than prince because hes michael jackson

myfavouritewintercoat said:
I agree, much easier to keep all the equipment in one place for a while and doing a few shows a week doesn't sound much, I think maybe in his head '50' just seemed so much ahead of him after not doing a tour in years(but thats just me guessing) That may have been the reason for insomnia coupled with the fact he was a perfectionist so would probably worry about every aspect wanting it perfect for London(and I don't blame him) but was he worried about his health too thats the question we all want answered... I think the fact that it was 10 then 31 gigs then 50 shows that AEG or his management wanted to the press to say he'd do more than Prince had.
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kasume said:
But Kenny Ortega said Michael wanted to do "many many" more shows, and talked about how excited Michael was about continuing his tour, taking it to India.

Kenny cannot be lying because Michael told us about how much he loves India and its people.
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yes Michael wanted to travel and the tour was suppose to last 2 years so why would you kill yourself by doing 50 shows in one place and have people from all over the world come see you thinking this is their last chance and then travel all around the world?
50 shows for the beginning of the tour were exhausting I don't care what anybody says
I kept on praying he pulls through this crazy marathon but I always worried I knew this was AEG's work, I knew the fans were not lying about MJ being almost desperate but back then you were NOT allowed to talk about this, on any forum, including his official forum where I remember they kept on deleting these kind of posts
 
Thats true about the official forum. It was incredibly policed, even something just general about MJ health was pulled.

It was also strange how it went down when he left this world.
 
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Physically, mentally and emotionally it was demanding. and looking at the dates - if needed a day to recover where exactly is his family time in all this.

10 dates was manageable, however 50 dates was unrealistic. Imagine how it felt knowing the pressure - when Michael was seen with his bag with the skin cancer reference on in public, knowing the long lenses - was he trying to say something.

He looked happy announcing the 10 but we never saw any reaction or any public moment regarding the 50!
 
actually thats not really so bad. two days between shows. sometimes as much as seven. plus they were at the same venue so he could do other things between shows and wouldnt have to worry about getting to each new venue and doing a rehearsal and soundcheck (though most performers do a rehearsal anyway just to make the show flow smoother)
 
By the time the show had finished, by the time he had come down from the high and gone to bed, he would have lost the following day through rest.

Take That reduced their schedules to massive stadiums because the tour was too much, therefore in big stadiums they could get more people in rather than doing a few dates in one place.
 
on tour he would have had his kids with him anyway, so they'd travel with him. basically when artists are on tour they realize that other commitments might have to wait because ultimately the tours are their biggest money earners. and its common for artists to do shows back to back. least this way he had some time off between shows.
 
i agree it would have been hard doing so many shows. mainly because he hadnt toured for long. and he would have had to put on more weight just because of the sheer physicality of performing in each song
 
snowhite said:
50 shows for the beginning of the tour were exhausting I don't care what anybody says
I kept on praying he pulls through this crazy marathon but I always worried I knew this was AEG's work, I knew the fans were not lying about MJ being almost desperate but back then you were NOT allowed to talk about this, on any forum, including his official forum where I remember they kept on deleting these kind of posts
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totally agree. noone could express their anxiety.. but i was wondering what the heck was going on behind the schenes.. just felt totally wrong that MJ would agree to doing 50 shows when his health hasnt been great, and hes so untested after the trial... so many reasons why it didnt make sense

went to bed every night feeling uneasy about the whole thing... didnt even want to look forward to the first date.. i remember on the HIStory tour.. i had a huge countdown chart.. not this time
 
pamiiee said:
10 dates was manageable, however 50 dates was unrealistic. Imagine how it felt knowing the pressure - when Michael was seen with his bag with the skin cancer reference on in public, knowing the long lenses - was he trying to say something.
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interesting point.. i too wondered about this.. for someone thats usually so private.. cry for help perhaps
 
I think it was some kinda sign. He is normally protective of such things - probs even protective of his fans worrying. So why was the bag so publicly displayed and he knew the photographers were there.......

Perhaps he was hoping the pic would come out and people would call (rather than him taking the blame) for the concerts to be cancelled.

But we know the uproar when they changed a few dates, perhaps the date change was a test to see public feeling?
 
krism said:
most artists hate touring but they do it cause thats where the $$$ are.
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thats sad but true for Michael(he says it here as we all know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SBTBcTDHo) - its sad as performing, the urge to do so is what they initially all love.

I agree with Pamilee - that list looks daunting, although there are quite a few days off at times(up to 7) if he kept looking at the list of dates typed up like that instead of reminding himself about the days off inbetween maybe that added to his anxiety(but that is only me speculating) I think the insomnia IMO was due to the anxiety of not touring in years, the expectation surrounding it, his perfectionism of getting it 100% right plus any health worries he 'might' have had.
 
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This is to f***ing much, what human could pull this off. This is unreal. I don't care what nobody says or thinks. Michael could not pull this off. It's to damn much. AEG should be ashamed to even consider some shit like this. F***ing ridiculous
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
thats sad but true for Michael(he says it here as we all know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SBTBcTDHo) - its sad as performing, the urge to do so is what they initially all love.

I agree with Pamilee - that list looks daunting, although there are quite a few days off at times(up to 7) if he kept looking at the list of dates typed up like that instead of reminding himself about the days off inbetween maybe that added to his anxiety(but that is only me speculating) I think the insomnia IMO was due to the anxiety of not touring in years, the expectation surrounding it, his perfectionism of getting it 100% right plus any health worries he 'might' have had.
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Yes I agree. Michael was a perfectionist, as we all know. His mind probaly would not shut down, constantly thinking about the rehearsal. Going over every step in his mind. It had to be impossible to sleep. Michael had to be under so much stress. Stress is not good and it will kill you, but this IS NOT what killed Michael.

I have lost many nights sleep since Michael's death, just because my mind would not shut off.
 
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meena76_4MJJ_4Ever said:
This is to f***ing much, what human could pull this off. This is unreal. I don't care what nobody says or thinks. Michael could not pull this off. It's to damn much. AEG should be ashamed to even consider some shit like this. F***ing ridiculous
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I disagree. It was essentially a residency, no consecutive dates, no travel. And I mean, compare it with this (apologies for the length, but it's necessary to make the point):

* 10/08/2005 Phoenix Concert Theatre - Toronto, ON
* 21/08/2005 Fenway Park - Boston, MA
* 23/08/2005 Fenway Park - Boston, MA
* 26/08/2005 Rentschler Field - Hartford, CT
* 28/08/2005 Canada Frank Clair Stadium at Lansdowne Park - Ottawa, ON
* 31/08/2005 Comerica Park - Detroit, MI
* 03/09/2005 Canada Magnetic Hill Concert Site - Moncton, NB
* 06/09/2005 Xcel Energy Center - St. Paul, MN
* 08/09/2005 Bradley Center - Milwaukee, WI
* 10/09/2005 Soldier Field - Chicago, IL
* 13/09/2005 Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
* 15/09/2005 Giants Stadium - East Rutherford, NJ
* 17/09/2005 Pepsi Arena - Albany, NY
* 24/09/2005 Nationwide Arena - Columbus, OH
* 26/09/2005 Canada Rogers Centre - Toronto, ON
* 28/09/2005 PNC Park - Pittsburgh, PA
* 01/10/2005 Hersheypark Stadium - Hershey, PA
* 03/10/2005 MCI Center - Washington, DC
* 06/10/2005 Scott Stadium - Charlottesville, VA
* 08/10/2005 Wallace Wade Stadium - Durham, NC
* 10/10/2005 Wachovia Center - Philadelphia, PA
* 12/10/2005 Wachovia Center - Philadelphia, PA
* 15/10/2005 Philips Arena - Atlanta, GA
* 17/10/2005 AmericanAirlines Arena - Miami, FL
* 19/10/2005 St. Pete Times Forum - Tampa, FL
* 21/10/2005 Charlotte Bobcats Arena - Charlotte, North Carolina
* 28/10/2005 Canada Pengrowth Saddledome - Calgary, AB
* 30/10/2005 KeyArena - Seattle, WA
* 01/11/2005 Rose Garden - Portland, OR
* 04/11/2005 Angel Stadium of Anaheim - Anaheim, CA
* 06/11/2005 Hollywood Bowl - Hollywood, CA
* 08/11/2005 Hollywood Bowl - Hollywood, CA
* 11/11/2005 PETCO Park - San Diego, CA
* 13/11/2005 SBC Park - San Francisco, CA
* 15/11/2005 SBC Park - San Francisco, CA
* 18/11/2005 MGM Grand Garden Arena - Las Vegas, NV
* 20/11/2005 Save Mart Center - Fresno, CA
* 22/11/2005 Delta Center - Salt Lake City, UT
* 24/11/2005 Pepsi Center - Denver, CO
* 27/11/2005 Glendale Arena - Glendale, AZ
* 29/11/2005 American Airlines Center - Dallas, TX
* 01/12/2005 Toyota Center - Houston, TX
* 03/12/2005 FedExForum - Memphis, TN
* 10/01/2006 Canada Centre Bell - Montreal, QB
* 13/01/2006 TD Banknorth Garden - Boston, MA
* 15/01/2006 TD Banknorth Garden - Boston, MA
* 18/01/2006 Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
* 20/01/2006 Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
* 23/01/2006 United Center - Chicago, IL
* 25/01/2006 United Center - Chicago, IL
* 27/01/2006 Savvis Center - St. Louis, MO
* 29/01/2006 Qwest Center - Omaha, NE
* 01/02/2006 1st Mariner Arena - Baltimore, MD
* 05/02/2006 Ford Field (Super Bowl XL) - Detroit, MI
* 08/02/2006 Philips Arena - Atlanta, GA
* 11/02/2006 Coliseo de Puerto Rico - San Juan, Puerto Rico
* 18/02/2006 Copacabana Beach - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
* 21/02/2006 Estadio Monumental - Buenos Aires, Argentina
* 23/02/2006 Estadio Monumental - Buenos Aires, Argentina
* 26/02/2006 Foro Sol - Mexico City, Mexico
* 01/03/2006 Estadio Universitario - Monterrey, Mexico
* 04/03/2006 MGM Grand Garden Arena - Las Vegas, NV
* 06/03/2006 The Forum - Inglewood, CA
* 09/03/2006 ALLTEL Arena - North Little Rock, AR
* 12/03/2006 BankAtlantic Center - Sunrise, FL
* 14/03/2006 Radio City Music Hall - New York, NY
* 22/03/2006 Tokyo Dome - Tokyo, Japan
* 24/03/2006 Tokyo Dome - Tokyo, Japan
* 29/03/2006 Sapporo Dome - Sapporo, Japan
* 02/04/2006 Saitama Super Arena - Saitama, Japan
* 05/04/2006 Nagoya Dome - Nagoya, Japan
* 08/04/2006 Shanghai Grand Stage - Shanghai, China
* 11/04/2006 Telstra Stadium - Sydney, Australia
* 13/04/2006 Rod Laver Arena - Melbourne, Australia
* 16/04/2006 Western Springs Stadium - Auckland, New Zealand
* 18/04/2006 Westpac Stadium - Wellington, New Zealand
* 11/07/2006 Stadio Giuseppe Meazza - Milan, Italy
* 14/07/2006 Ernst Happel Stadion - Vienna, Austria
* 16/07/2006 Olympiastadion - Munich, Germany
* 19/07/2006 AWD Arena - Hanover, Germany
* 21/07/2006 Olympiastadion - Berlin, Germany
* 23/07/2006 Rhein Energie Stadion - Cologne, Germany
* 28/07/2006 Stade de France - Paris, France
* 31/07/2006 Amsterdam ArenA - Amsterdam, Netherlands
* 03/08/2006 Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion - Stuttgart, Germany
* 05/08/2006 Dübendorf Airfield - Zurich, Switzerland
* 08/08/2006 Palais Nikaia - Nice, France
* 12/08/2006 Estádio do Dragão - Porto, Portugal
* 20/08/2006 Twickenham Stadium - London, England
* 22/08/2006 Twickenham Stadium - London, England
* 25/08/2006 Hampden Park - Glasgow, Scotland
* 27/08/2006 Don Valley Stadium - Sheffield, England
* 29/08/2006 Millennium Stadium - Cardiff, Wales
* 01/09/2006 Koengen - Bergen, Norway
* 03/09/2006 Forum Horsens Stadion - Horsens, Denmark
* 20/09/2006 Gillette Stadium - Foxborough, MA
* 23/09/2006 Halifax Common - Halifax, NS
* 27/09/2006 Giants Stadium - East Rutherford, NJ
* 29/09/2006 Churchill Downs - Louisville, KY
* 01/10/2006 Cessna Stadium - Wichita, KS
* 04/10/2006 Grizzly Stadium - Missoula, MT
* 06/10/2006 Mosaic Stadium at Taylor Field - Regina, SK
* 08/10/2006 Mosaic Stadium at Taylor Field - Regina, SK
* 11/10/2006 Soldier Field - Chicago, IL
* 17/10/2006 Qwest Field - Seattle, WA
* 20/10/2006 Sun Bowl Stadium - El Paso, TX
* 22/10/2006 Zilker Park - Austin, TX (recorded for The Biggest Bang)
* 29/10/2006 Beacon Theatre, New York, NY (recorded for Shine A Light)
* 01/11/2006 Beacon Theatre, New York, NY (recorded for Shine A Light)
* 06/11/2006 Oakland Coliseum - Oakland, CA
* 08/11/2006 Cardinals Stadium - Glendale, AZ
* 11/11/2006 MGM Grand Garden Arena - Las Vegas, NV
* 14/11/2006 Idaho Center - Nampa, ID
* 17/11/2006 Boardwalk Hall - Atlantic City, NJ
* 22/11/2006 Dodger Stadium - Los Angeles, CA
* 25/11/2006 BC Place Stadium - Vancouver, BC
* 05/06/2007 Werchter Park (festival site) - Werchter, Belgium
* 08/06/2007 Goffert Park (festival site) - Nijmegen, Netherlands
* 10/06/2007 Isle of Wight Festival - Newport, Isle of Wight, England
* 13/06/2007 Commerzbank-Arena - Frankfurt, Germany
* 16/06/2007 Stade de France - Paris, France
* 18/06/2007 Stade Gerland - Lyon, France
* 21/06/2007 Estadio Olimpico de Montjuic - Barcelona, Spain
* 23/06/2007 Anoeta Stadium - San Sebastián, Spain
* 25/06/2007 Estadio Jose Alvalade XXI - Lisbon, Portugal
* 28/06/2007 Estadio Vicente Calderón - Madrid, Spain
* 30/06/2007 Estadio Municipal Santo Domingo - Almeria, Spain
* 06/07/2007 Stadio Olimpico - Rome, Italy
* 09/07/2007 Jaz Beach - Budva, Montenegro
* 14/07/2007 Ušće Park - Belgrade, Serbia (biggest concert in Europe during 2007)
* 17/07/2007 Lia Manoliu Stadium - Bucharest, Romania
* 20/07/2007 The Puskás Ferenc Stadium - Budapest, Hungary
* 22/07/2007 Outdoor Exhibition Centre - Brno, Czech Republic
* 25/07/2007 Służewiec Race Horse Track - Warsaw, Poland
* 28/07/2007 Palace Square, by The Winter Palace - Saint Petersburg, Russia
* 01/08/2007 Olympiastadion - Helsinki, Finland
* 03/08/2007 Ullevi Stadium- Gothenburg, Sweden
* 05/08/2007 Idraetsparken - Copenhagen, Denmark
* 08/08/2007 Valle Hovin - Oslo, Norway
* 11/08/2007 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise - Lausanne, Switzerland
* 13/08/2007 LTU Arena - Düsseldorf, Germany
* 15/08/2007 HSH Nordbank Arena - Hamburg, Germany
* 18/08/2007 Slane Castle - County Meath, Ireland
* 21/08/2007 The O2 - London, England
* 23/08/2007 The O2 - London, England
* 26/08/2007 The O2 - London, England

That's the Rolling Stones' last tour. Over 140 dates all over the world. Mick Jagger - known for his energetic performances - was 62 years old at the start, 64 by the end.

MJ's 50 O2 dates weren't too much for anyone. They may have been too much for MJ if he did have health issues that made them too much, but generally speaking, it wasn't an unrealistic schedule.
 
point taken, but have the rolling stones been assasinated from every angle over their lives..........
 
i doubt mick jagger has lupus and other health issues and insomnia to the point have having to use diprovan to sleep. ontop of having the media tearing u down at every point and just waiting for the first night so they can tear u apart the next day in their articles.ontop of being totally underweight and stressed about the shows.

What skin cancer bag that MJ held? Can I see a pic?
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it wasnt a skin cancer bag. he carried a bag from arnie kliens office. on that bag it was advertising kliens clinic and stated some of the things he treated. if u carry a aids charity plastic bag does it mean u have aids?
 
he must have realised though the implications of the bag?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
i doubt mick jagger has lupus and other health issues and insomnia to the point have having to use diprovan to sleep. ontop of having the media tearing u down at every point and just waiting for the first night so they can tear u apart the next day in their articles.ontop of being totally underweight and stressed about the shows.
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Like I said, if MJ had health issues that made them too much, that's one thing. But the 50 dates as scheduled were not, at face value, an unreasonable schedule. That's all I'm saying.

I would add that, while we still don't know exactly what the state of MJ's health was, even if there were health issues they'd likely have been a problem with even a much shorter schedule.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
i doubt mick jagger has lupus and other health issues and insomnia to the point have having to use diprovan to sleep. ontop of having the media tearing u down at every point and just waiting for the first night so they can tear u apart the next day in their articles.ontop of being totally underweight and stressed about the shows.
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Not to speak bad of The Rolling Stones, Ive always believed they are better than the Beatles. But come on now, do you know who the Rolling Stones are? They are really Rolling Stones just speaking on drug usage alone there is no comparison guitarist Keith Richards was once banned from entering the USA because he was a walking Pharmacy and Mick was a customer not to mention their illegal drugs cocaine and alcohol parties, dont think just because they got old they no longer use drug to get up, stay up and sleep either these are truly Functioning Addicts, and I didnt know it was proven that Michael had Lupus and not everyone believes Michael even used all these drugs they are trying to tie him too for sleep or anything else, unlike The Rolling Stones made no secret of their Drug and Alcohol use, and Mick has always only weighed maybe 10 pounds more than Michael weighed at time of death. The Rolling Stones are one of the best Rock Bands to ever live.

Jagger, Richards and Jones began to be hounded by authorities over their recreational drug use - Wikip Rolling Stones
 
The Rolling Stones have nowhere near the elaborate stage presentations as MJ nor can Mick Jagger dance his ass off like Michael does. Jumping up and down like he just drank a red bull or took some speed is not the same as choreographed dancing for hours imo.
 
It makes no difference comparing Mick Jagger and MJ. Not that I think Mick Jagger is a beacon of health but what matters is if Michael was up to the 50 dates. I think it took its toll on him. Michael has been performing since he was 10 years old, he puts his body through a lot and gives a lot in his performances.

I remember when we heard about the number of people registered for pre-sale and jokingly said to my mum that to satisfy that demand he'd have to have about 50 shows.....I joked at this! Then AEG made it happen.

Just how that happened and how 50 dates emerged is a grey area.
 
Not to speak bad of The Rolling Stones, Ive always believed they are better than the Beatles. But come on now, do you know who the Rolling Stones are? They are really Rolling Stones just speaking on drug usage alone there is no comparison guitarist Keith Richards was once banned from entering the USA because he was a walking Pharmacy and Mick was a customer not to mention their illegal drugs cocaine and alcohol parties, dont think just because they got old they no longer use drug to get up, stay up and sleep either these are truly Functioning Addicts, and I didnt know it was proven that Michael had Lupus and not everyone believes Michael even used all these drugs they are trying to tie him too for sleep or anything else, unlike The Rolling Stones made no secret of their Drug and Alcohol use, and Mick has always only weighed maybe 10 pounds more than Michael weighed at time of death. The Rolling Stones are one of the best Rock Bands to ever live.
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im really not sure what your point is there. and like 2 the max says mick or anyone else is irrelevent they aint mj and the issues/ilnesses he had to deal with over the years.like the old indian proverb says...
 
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It makes no difference comparing Mick Jagger and MJ. Not that I think Mick Jagger is a beacon of health but what matters is if Michael was up to the 50 dates. I think it took its toll on him. Michael has been performing since he was 10 years old, he puts his body through a lot and gives a lot in his performances.

I remember when we heard about the number of people registered for pre-sale and jokingly said to my mum that to satisfy that demand he'd have to have about 50 shows.....I joked at this! Then AEG made it happen.

Just how that happened and how 50 dates emerged is a grey area.
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That's the confusing part. How did 10 become 50?
 
i guess we will never know unless the contracts get leaked down the road
 
Could be something we never actually know.

Im now doubting that Michael actually had much hands on involvement and control over the logistics and arragements. Tohme it seems is emerging as the one doing all the agreeing on Mjs behalf and somewhere, either miscommunication, total disregard for Michael in consulting him, whatever, the 10 dates became 50.

Im guessing here, but it would make sense to agree to 10 as a preliminary number to gauge reaction. Then when presale interest went through the roof AEG realised just what they were on to, agreed with Tohme, and theres where Michael becomes trapped. I could imagine Michael agreeing to a few more, certainly enough that would beat Princes residency, but really, 50 is excessive.
 
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