A message from one of Michael's techs on TII

[Gaiaschild]

Interesting post earthsong, I don't like the word conspiracy theory either.

I read the word conspiracy means a plan to commit an illegal action by more than one person, though it is often used to imply a cover-up intended to hide some such illegal action.

Another meaning from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end..

The word "theory" is, in this usage, sometimes considered to be more informal as in "speculation" or "hypothesis" rather than mainstream scientific theory. Also, the term conspiracy is typically used to indicate powerful figures, often of the Establishment, who are believed to be deceiving the population at large, as in political corruption. Although some conspiracies are not actually theories, they are often labeled as such by the general populace

 

[dirtydiana27]

Yes! He should of been here with his kids doing what ever he wanted!
He wanted to make movies and he would have been great at it!! He made the best music videos ever made! No one can match what he did. His movie's would have been wonderful! We are all missing out on his gift! The whole world is missing out because a group of businessmen got greedy! They have to pay for this! The truth needs to come out!

EC what a great post!!! This is exactly how I feel too!!! We will keep working to uncover the truth and these greedy people WILL be exposed. There are others out there who saw things, and if I am right, their consciences will not let them fail Michael. Eventually, they will come forward in the name of justice for Michael.

 

[Asedora]

I am with you this is a great post. I also believe in conspiracy theories but I don't like to use the words "conspiracy theory".
To say you "believe" in something means it could be true or it might not but it's what you "believe" it's what your heart, mind or your gut tells you (a gut feeling) or "intuition". A "theory" again means it might be true or it might not someone has to prove it's true.
I believe in and want the "truth" the real truth.

I read Kenny Ortega is related to Randy Phillips they are some sort of cousins but I don't know if this is true?
I also read that Randy Phillips is related to Dr. Tohme Tohme by marriage they are ex-brother in laws but I don't know if this is true?
The behaviour of Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne has been very suspicious.
Some think Randy Phillips is the instigator he bullied Michael Jackson and so did Tohme Tohme.

It would seem a group of conspirators did get together to conspire against Michael Jackson to bring him down for what ever reason does anyone else have any thoughts on this??
La Toya Jackson, Joe Jackson and Jermaine Jackson have all been talking about a conspiracy. I think Randy Jackson has also been talking about a conspiracy.
Michael Jackson himself said there was a conspiracy against him.
It's always good to 'connect the dots' and see how people are connected to each other.

Thank you. Me too, I do not like the word "theory" Let’s just say it was a conspiracy to kill the most loving human being. I have read too that all those ppl behind it are relatives or have strong connection to each other. Honestly, Murray who was a doctor of law income patients doesn't look like he killed MJ. He made a stupid mistake and he has to pay for it but I want to see other ppl in jail. I will not be satisfied if just dr. Murray will be charged.

 

[EarthSong100]

Thank you. Me too, I do not like the word "theory" Let’s just say it was a conspiracy to kill the most loving human being. I have read too that all those ppl behind it are relatives or have strong connection to each other. Honestly, Murray who was a doctor of law income patients doesn't look like he killed MJ. He made a stupid mistake and he has to pay for it but I want to see other ppl in jail. I will not be satisfied if just dr. Murray will be charged.

From what I understand about Dr. Murray is he is a fall guy.
There are others behind Dr. Murray.
Dr. Murray is a doctor in serious debt and has many kids with different women. Dr. Murray has a benefactor of some kind who is paying all his legal costs/bills and paying for his 'PR team' and he is being protected by the powers that be.
I believe Dr. Murray is a 'contract killer' (contract killers by the way can seem nice, every day type people and controlled people).
Dr. Murray knows a lot but I have a feeling we will never find out what he knows. If he comes clean and tells the truth the powers that be will be out to get him and will destroy him!
Dr. Murray is a 'Freemason'.
Dr. Conrad Robert Murray isn't his real name.
Like father like son from the stuff I have researched on his father Dr. Murray is very like his own father.
And it had to be a 'black' doctor who killed Michael Jackson the way I see that is just one more racist dig the powers that be have thrown at poor Michael Jackson.
The paps don't go after Dr. Murray which proves to me he is being protected very well by the powers that be.
I have a feeling Dr. Murray may have been subjected to some sort of mind control/brain washing but I don't know that for sure.
Dr. Murray isn't stupid and he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[Ohood]

i think the amount of money he wanted from Mchael was a kind of Haggling.....

it was like , look Michael how much are u gonna pay me to stay alive ...and Mj left this to Dileo... but after 3 months of waitng, AEG faild to pay the amount of money, so Murray took the other offer.

maybe it was like who will pay more and before will have my"dr. death" service.

 

[callmerose]

I read Kenny Ortega is related to Randy Phillips they are some sort of cousins but I don't know if this is true?
I also read that Randy Phillips is related to Dr. Tohme Tohme by marriage they are ex-brother in laws but I don't know if this is true?
It's always good to 'connect the dots' and see how people are connected to each other.

I have never hear anyone say that Kenny Ortega was related to Randy Phillips! If anyone has any info on this, i would be interestd in it.

This is from Susan Etok's site. I don't know what her gig is though. I would have to check it out myself before I believed it. Interesting, if true.

"According to records from ancestry.com - the world’s largest family history website - Dr Tohme and AEG Live bos Randy Phillips were related by marriage back in the 1970’s.

Dr Tohme Ramez Tohme (d.o.b. 1949) married Janet Phillips (d.o.b. 1953) on 29th January 1972 in Sacremento, California. The pair subsequently divorced in May 1976 in Sacremento, California.

Marriage - State file: 7307; Reg no: 289

Divorce – State file: 664652; Dissolution case no: 716055

It has been confirmed by an insider that Dr Janet Phillips, now a Clinical Psychologist working at a practice in Torrance, is indeed Randy Phillips’s sister."

 

[Ohood]

Im choosing not believe this, personally, and the guy in Smooth Criminal is definitely MJ..

me too !!

 

[Asedora]

From what I understand about Dr. Murray is he is a fall guy.
There are others behind Dr. Murray.
Dr. Murray is a doctor in serious debt and has many kids with different women. Dr. Murray has a benefactor of some kind who is paying all his legal costs/bills and paying for his 'PR team' and he is being protected by the powers that be.
I believe Dr. Murray is a 'contract killer' (contract killers by the way can seem nice, every day type people and controlled people).
Dr. Murray knows a lot but I have a feeling we will never find out what he knows. If he comes clean and tells the truth the powers that be will be out to get him and will destroy him!
Dr. Murray is a 'Freemason'.
Dr. Conrad Robert Murray isn't his real name.
Like father like son from the stuff I have researched on his father Dr. Murray is very like his own father.
And it had to be a 'black' doctor who killed Michael Jackson the way I see that is just one more racist dig the powers that be have thrown at poor Michael Jackson.
The paps don't go after Dr. Murray which proves to me he is being protected very well by the powers that be.
I have a feeling Dr. Murray may have been subjected to some sort of mind control/brain washing but I don't know that for sure.
Dr. Murray isn't stupid and he knew exactly what he was doing.

It does make sense to me including a "black" doctor thing. I have read that he is a freemason but I do not know this from fact. But still nothing is clear was he a "contract killer" or not. Like I said it does make sense but I think Murray probably did not know what game he was playng. I hope during the trial Murray will say some facts about other ppl involved.

 

[EarthSong100]

i think the amount of money he wanted from Mchael was a kind of Haggling.....

it was like , look Michael how much are u gonna pay me to stay alive ...and Mj left this to Dileo... but after 3 months of waitng, AEG faild to pay the amount of money, so Murray took the other offer.

maybe it was like who will pay more and before will have my"dr. death" service.

Maybe this is true. But I had the feeling Dr. Murray was on the SAME side as AEG? and is AEG part of AIG?
I read MJ wanted a new doctor an 'anesthesiologist' to look after him as he was not happy with Dr. Murray.
Does Conrad Robert Murray spell 'murder by contract'?
Was Dr. Murray James Brown's doctor?
Who knows anymore what is true and what isn't?
Karen Faye said MJ had a message in his concerts about HEALING THE WORLD.

 

[ensleyave]

Why wasn't the contract signed. Why did he call the nurse about feeling cold/hot on his body. Why didn't he call Murray. He was his doctor?

 

[daisy]

Why wasn't the contract signed. Why did he call the nurse about feeling cold/hot on his body. Why didn't he call Murray. He was his doctor?

One possibility is that we could have limited trust for this nurse Lee.
Another one is that Michael already didn't trust Murray?

 

[girl24]

I remember when Michael was in the process of creating TII, I believe it was Kenny that said the Dirty Diana scene with Michael was awesome. That he had rehearsed it and he was on a bed with a woman, and there were flames around the bed. He said it was the most amazing moment of the show, but yet they didn't but it into the movie.

 

[kasume]

I wonder if this 'jhon' is real....

I wish we could get some validity of this.

But wouldn't be able to ask Kenny or Randy, because, based on the message, they would probably not tell the truth....if what this jhon is saying is actually real.

 

[Naeniver]

I've read that only some of this information is true. That Michael DID use some playback during rehearsals, but that he wouldn't be complaining of foot pains in front of a technician. It's hard to tell what is true of this, simply because we don't know if we can rely on the source.

 

[EarthSong100]

I've read that only some of this information is true. That Michael DID use some playback during rehearsals, but that he wouldn't be complaining of foot pains in front of a technician. It's hard to tell what is true of this, simply because we don't know if we can rely on the source.

But I know he did get foot pains.

 

[rainny]

Nothing about his feet written in the autopsy report.

 

[Rockin.]

Nothing about his feet written in the autopsy report.

There is.. and if you look on the body outline you can see markings by the feet.

We've heard about Michael's feet before, and its not unusual for dancers.

Im choosing not believe this, personally, and the guy in Smooth Criminal is definitely MJ..

There is a stunt guy/double in part of the Smooth Criminal bit, and he is listed in the This Is It credits - they are online on www.michaeljacksonlive.com. This is what I assume this person is talking about.

 

[rainny]

There is.. and if you look on the body outline you can see markings by the feet.
.

Thank you. I will check again.

 

[Ashtanga]

There is a stunt guy/double in part of the Smooth Criminal bit, and he is listed in the This Is It credits - they are online on www.michaeljacksonlive.com. This is what I assume this person is talking about.

Yes, Misha Hamilton.

“Smooth Criminal” Short Film Cast


Michael Jackson > The Smooth Criminal

JohnTobin > Gangster

Misha Hamilton > The Smooth Criminal Double

He was one of the dancers, but why would he? They could have hired an impersonator of Michael.

 

[kasume]

I was thinking, if what this 'jhon' says is true.

Then 'jhon' WOULD have to leave a message like that, hoping that people would get his message and believe him.

It's not like he can publicly say what he wants to say about TII.

But if this guy was real, then giving his message in this way, would allow him to actually to break the rules and tell his story, without getting himself in trouble.

But then again.....there is also that possiblity this is made up.

The verification of the stunt double still doesn't persuade me. That person couldn've just known the info from www.michaeljacksonlive.com.

I don't know what to believe.

 

[Popescu]

I found an interview with Misha' mom, she's romanian, and she also worked on TII (she's the lady with a "russian" accent who explains at some point the crotch grab to the dancers).

She says that her son was given the honor to be Michael's double in Smooth Criminal, and that he did those scenes in two nights. I think she is referring to the video clips, as they are talking about "new versions of Smooth Criminal and Thriller".

(it's right at the end of the article :
Noi sînt şi versiunile la „Smooth Criminal“ şi „Thriller“. Pentru primul clip, onoarea de a fi dublura lui Michael Jackson i-a revenit lui Misha, fiul Irinei. „Misha a făcut toate scenele în două nopţi“, explică ea.)

http://www.monitorulexpres.ro/?mod=monitorulexpres&a=citeste&p=mozaic&s_id=85168

 

[kasume]

He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades.

I just want to point out that Michael did wear shades at rehearsals back in the 80s.

 

[daisy]

I just want to point out that Michael did wear shades at rehearsals back in the 80s.

yeah, we have this footage with sheryl crow and Michael in teh winter jacket.

But this is also true Michael was wearing shades most of the time in TII

 

[Popescu]

Something just clicked. This is what poor Joe was referring to, when he said they used body doubles in the film, and everybody mocked him afterwards. He has only bits and pieces of information, and he's not that coherent at 80 yrs old.

But he knows something, and hopefully, with our bits and pieces, and their bits and pieces... maybe, just maybe, truth will come out. This just gave me a little hope!

 

[leesw1]

Misha dressed as Michael Jackson. He doubled for running scenes and "stunts"

 

[kasume]

Something just clicked. This is what poor Joe was referring to, when he said they used body doubles in the film, and everybody mocked him afterwards. He has only bits and pieces of information, and he's not that coherent at 80 yrs old.

But he knows something, and hopefully, with our bits and pieces, and their bits and pieces... maybe, just maybe, truth will come out. This just gave me a little hope!

Joe said that? I wonder if he just KNEW that, or if he found it out from some website or something like we did.

But anyways, if that 'jhon' is real, and these people really were instructed not to say anything about the show, then what the heck for?? In Michael's past tour rehearsals, were people instructed not to say anything??

That means, there are some who know things but cannot say anything. Whoever knows SOMETHING, (including this jhon), they better get out there and tell their story if they REALLY saw and heard these things!!!

Everyone else is able to talk about their side of the story. The chef, the doctors, the managers.

 

[Popescu]

Joe said that? I wonder if he just KNEW that, or if he found it out from some website or something like we did.

Yeap, he did. He's half senile, and only knows parts of the story, but he does have inside info. He was Michael's father! He knows people, knows his enoturage, made friends with some of them and enemies with others.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/26/this-is-it-producers-no-mj-body-doubles/

This info was not on the boards (at least from what I've seen). And quite frankly, somehow I just don't picture Joe browsing the Internet, do you?

 

[Rockin.]

Oh it was Misha??

(edit) I *WAS (not wasn't) talking about another name that was listed..I know it was someone different because I searched him on google..

Um has that list changed cause I can't see it now, but these names are here listed along with the main dancers I don't remember seeing them before -

• Reshma Gajjar - Dancer
• Marie “Maryss From Paris” Courchinoux - Dancer
• Tsivahiny “T-Vain” Rabemananjara - Dancer

 

[Rockin.]

Oh hang on, found it - My mistake, the name I was thinking of wasn't to do with Smooth Criminal -

“The Way You Make Me Feel” Video Cast

• Nick Bass Dancer
• Daniel Celebre Dancer
• Chris “Kryiss” Grant Dancer
• Misha Hamilton Dancer
• Shannon Holtzapffel Dancer
• Devin Andrew Jamieson Dancer
• Charles Klapow Dancer
• Dres Reid Dancer
• Timor Steffens Dancer
• Tony Testa Dancer
• Colin Follenweider Stunt Dancer

What stunts are there in The Way You Make Me Feel?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1744237/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhXq4yOHlA

 

[daisy]

Yeap, he did. He's half senile, and only knows parts of the story, but he does have inside info. He was Michael's father! He knows people, knows his enoturage, made friends with some of them and enemies with others.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/26/this-is-it-producers-no-mj-body-doubles/

This info was not on the boards (at least from what I've seen). And quite frankly, somehow I just don't picture Joe browsing the Internet, do you?

Thanks!