Akon picks who’s more talented: Michael Jackson or Prince

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Prince was a much more talented artist than MJ imo. Prince did everything himself. MJ has the biggest selling album of all time but at the end of the day he was following Quincy's vision. Thats why most people prefer OTW, Thriller and Bad compared to all other MJ albums. MJ also needed help with music videos eg hiring John Landis. Prince was able to independently steer his career with his personal vision.
Well, this is exactly what I have been arguing in this thread. Just because he did everything himself doesn’t make him better or more talented when we compare the actual quality of their work, which of course is subjective. Just look at their 90s output. Michaels stuff is just a lot better imo. But I do agree that Prince was a talented guy and he could write, produce and play everything by himself. That in itself is a great accomplishment BUT, today we have a lot of artist that can do that. Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, and many many other artists from different genres. Does that mean that all of them are automatically better or more talented than MJ?
 

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Exactly! I didnt want to say this but you are so right.. What does fame have to do with talent? (Both Prince and Jackson were rightfully famous for being talented but I'm saying in general).
I think Old Town Road by Lil Nas X & Billy Ray Cyrus was #1 longer than any other song in history. That doesn't automatically mean that it's better than anything else. Also there's different kinds of success. Acts like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Kenny G, & Pink Floyd sold a lot of albums, but had very few if any Top 40 radio hits. With The Supremes it's the opposite, they were more successful with singles than albums. Then there's Madonna, Whitney Houston, & Janet Jackson, who were really popular with albums & singles. There's performers who's Greatest Hits/Best Of sold way more than any of their regular albums (Johnny Mathis, Eagles, Queen, Abba, The Carpenters, etc.) There's bands who had more success with a particular lineup like Genesis, Journey, & Fleetwood Mac. A lot of people don't even know that Journey released 3 albums before Steve Perry joined or that Fleetwood Mac was originally a blues band in the 1960s. With a few exceptions, I don't think David Bowie was that big of a record seller. But Bowie was popular with critics & music magazines. Bruce Spingsteen, Alanis Morrisette, & Prince had one huge selling album, but none of the rest were as popular. The Grateful Dead's albums didn't sell a lot and they didn't have a bunch of radio hits, but they were very popular as a touring band for decades. Technically, The Grateful Dead are a "one hit wonder" in the USA and that hit happened in the mid-1980s, around 20 years after they formed. Then there's acts popular with a particular audience and/or countries because they are singing in their language like Vicente Fernández, Daddy Yankee, or Selena.
 
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Michael could have wrote, composed and produced an entire album all by himself, but he choose not to. Michael being more open minded about collaborating with others got us great songs like Man In The Mirror and Human Nature. Imagine all the great songs we could have missed out on if Michael choose to do everything himself.
 

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Well, this is exactly what I have been arguing in this thread. Just because he did everything himself doesn’t make him better or more talented when we compare the actual quality of their work, which of course is subjective. Just look at their 90s output. Michaels stuff is just a lot better imo. But I do agree that Prince was a talented guy and he could write, produce and play everything by himself. That in itself is a great accomplishment BUT, today we have a lot of artist that can do that. Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, and many many other artists from different genres. Does that mean that all of them are automatically better or more talented than MJ?
Yes if they can write and produce fully like Prince they are more talented then MJ but im not sure if they can do it fully? i dont think taylor swift and bruno mars can arrange a whole track like Prince. A lot of MJs success came from Quincy Jones he was an african american visionary that produced the biggest selling album of all time. Mj just sang the notes quincy made it all work
 

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Yes if they can write and produce fully like Prince they are more talented then MJ but im not sure if they can do it fully? i dont think taylor swift and bruno mars can arrange a whole track like Prince. A lot of MJs success came from Quincy Jones he was an african american visionary that produced the biggest selling album of all time. Mj just sang the notes quincy made it all work
Mj did more than just sing the notes when he was working with Quincy. He wrote tracks, arranged and produced them as well.
 

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Yes if they can write and produce fully like Prince they are more talented then MJ but im not sure if they can do it fully? i dont think taylor swift and bruno mars can arrange a whole track like Prince. A lot of MJs success came from Quincy Jones he was an african american visionary that produced the biggest selling album of all time. Mj just sang the notes quincy made it all work
Are you serious? So the girl is mine, Billie Jean and WBSS are just songs that MJ sang and Quincy did all the work? I can’t believe what I’m reading. Are you serious or just being a troll? Guys help me out with this one
 
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No Quincy wrote, arranged and produced most of Thriller. Mj just had a few ideas but all the song ideas started with quincy.
You sound like a troll. Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough, Working Day and Night, Get On The Floor, Billie Jean, WBSS, The Girl Is Mine, Beat It and literally the entire Bad album were written by Michael.
 

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Michael could have wrote, composed and produced an entire album all by himself, but he choose not to. Michael being more open minded about collaborating with others got us great songs like Man In The Mirror and Human Nature. Imagine all the great songs we could have missed out on if Michael choose to do everything himself.
Agreed.

I absolutely believe that Michael's ability to collaborate with other people was part of his genius. I'm sure this is a minority opinion and I'm fine with that but I always loved the fact that Michael wrote his own songs, collaborated with other songwriters and also recorded stuff entirely written by other people. I think his understanding of his art form was impeccable and collaborating with people was part of that.
 
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No Quincy wrote, arranged and produced most of Thriller. Mj just had a few ideas but all the song ideas started with quincy.
Not counting the Gamble & Huff ones or 2300 Jackson Street, who had the ideas on The Jacksons albums? Quincy didn't have anything to do with those. The only thing he did with the brothers on it is We Are The World. I think Randy played percussion on Don't Stop. That's it. 😂
Prince did everything himself.
That isn't true. He played all of the instruments on a lot of his songs. But others were collabs with his band members such as Wendy & Lisa, whose influence was the most on Around The World In A Day & Parade. One of Prince's early songs Partyup, the music was written by Morris Day, without Morris getting writing credit for it. He gave Morris a deal, either get a flat fee for the track or Prince would get Morris a record deal. Morris chose the record deal. Prince did some instrumental stuff as Madhouse with Eric Leeds playing horns, which Prince couldn't play. Dr. Fink, one of the keyboardists in The Revolution, got a co-wrting credit on a few songs. He also took ideas of Jesse Johnson like Jungle Love & Shockadelica and made songs from them. The song Kiss was done by Revolution bassist Brownmark & David Z. Prince did originally write Kiss, but his demo was nothing like the finished song. Brownmark & David Z were producing the song for a band named Mazarati, but when Prince heard the finished version, he took the song back, replaced the lead vocal and added a guitar riff. Mazarati's background vocals are still on Prince's released version. Brownmark did not get any credit and David Z was only given a arrangement credit. But they pretty much wrote the music, they just used Prince's lyrics.

Not much of the 1990s New Power Generation era records were one man band. Prince did not write Tony M's raps either. Prince later tried to do a Santana Supernatural style album with a bunch of guest artists, because he wanted the same success. Clive Davis was behind this & Supernatural, but Clive got fired from Arista around that time and L.A. Reid who took over didn't spend any more money on Prince's album. Prince did not really use most of the guests in that noticeable of a way anyhow. That was the only album Prince released on Arista. Also notice that on Prince's biggest selling album that was released after Purple Rain was Diamonds And Pearls, during which he hired Frank Dileo as his manager and the music videos had a higher production value than his usual ones. The Batman soundtrack videos also were better made.
 

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Prince was a much more talented artist than MJ imo. Prince did everything himself. MJ has the biggest selling album of all time but at the end of the day he was following Quincy's vision. Thats why most people prefer OTW, Thriller and Bad compared to all other MJ albums. MJ also needed help with music videos eg hiring John Landis. Prince was able to independently steer his career with his personal vision.
Even though this is controversial,I have to completely agree.
Tho MJ was not following Quincy's vision,they were in a vision togheter and Mike had his own vision as well,just like Quincy.
But I agree with the rest. Mike is exceptional but Prince is just more,at least to me.
 

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Well, this is exactly what I have been arguing in this thread. Just because he did everything himself doesn’t make him better or more talented when we compare the actual quality of their work, which of course is subjective.
It makes him more creative and more capable. Plus more independent and willing to risk.
Not only he wrote and released way,way,way more stuff than Michael but he was also able to do all that himself,and Prince had hits as well(no that fame matters that much anyway).
The quality of the output is subjective of course tho.
 

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Original home demo of DSTYGE before Quincy had anything to do with it. Quincy's a fantastic producer, but Michael was the main creative driving force here.
Yep,he was the creative driving force behind the songs he wrote.
But not behind stuff like Thriller ,Man in the Mirror or Rock with you ,songs that were very big hits but weren't written by Jackson.
 

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Well, this is exactly what I have been arguing in this thread. Just because he did everything himself doesn’t make him better or more talented when we compare the actual quality of their work, which of course is subjective. Just look at their 90s output. Michaels stuff is just a lot better imo. But I do agree that Prince was a talented guy and he could write, produce and play everything by himself. That in itself is a great accomplishment BUT, today we have a lot of artist that can do that. Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga, and many many other artists from different genres. Does that mean that all of them are automatically better or more talented than MJ?
I'm sorry but that's reaching a bit.
Prince was a genius,and I don't wanna sound mean but Lady Gaga isn't a genius. Lady Gaga got famous due to the shock value she kept on using for her stuff,the shock value being a gimmick she completely lifted from Madonna. She didn't bring anything new to the table in that regard,tho I don't deny her musical talent.
And Bruno Mars is talented as well but what's unique about him?
Prince was not only unique but diverse as well. From lycris to concepts ,from the music itself to the music videos and stage performances.
He was himself,just like Michael. Unlike most today artists who are talented but not anything never seen before at all.
 

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So for Mike it wasn't that hard to model his performance. He just used the vision that he had for his then on-going tour.
It was revolutionary but the dude made the concept ,that he later used for performance,way before the Superbowl happened.
What I mean is that what he tehnically did on stage there wasn't that new for him.
 

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Yes if they can write and produce fully like Prince they are more talented then MJ but im not sure if they can do it fully? i dont think taylor swift and bruno mars can arrange a whole track like Prince. A lot of MJs success came from Quincy Jones he was an african american visionary that produced the biggest selling album of all time. Mj just sang the notes quincy made it all work
Thats not true!
Michael didn't just sing the notes...
What are you saying damn?
Prince was better in my opinion too but don't discredit Mike like that.
 

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Not counting the Gamble & Huff ones or 2300 Jackson Street, who had the ideas on The Jacksons albums? Quincy didn't have anything to do with those. The only thing he did with the brothers on it is We Are The World. I think Randy played percussion on Don't Stop. That's it. 😂

That isn't true. He played all of the instruments on a lot of his songs. But others were collabs with his band members such as Wendy & Lisa, whose influence was the most on Around The World In A Day & Parade. One of Prince's early songs Partyup, the music was written by Morris Day, without Morris getting writing credit for it. He gave Morris a deal, either get a flat fee for the track or Prince would get Morris a record deal. Morris chose the record deal. Prince did some instrumental stuff as Madhouse with Eric Leeds playing horns, which Prince couldn't play. Dr. Fink, one of the keyboardists in The Revolution, got a co-wrting credit on a few songs. He also took ideas of Jesse Johnson like Jungle Love & Shockadelica and made songs from them. The song Kiss was done by Revolution bassist Brownmark & David Z. Prince did originally write Kiss, but his demo was nothing like the finished song. Brownmark & David Z were producing the song for a band named Mazarati, but when Prince heard the finished version, he took the song back, replaced the lead vocal and added a guitar riff. Mazarati's background vocals are still on Prince's released version. Brownmark did not get any credit and David Z was only given a arrangement credit. But they pretty much wrote the music, they just used Prince's lyrics.

Not much of the 1990s New Power Generation era records were one man band. Prince did not write Tony M's raps either. Prince later tried to do a Santana Supernatural style album with a bunch of guest artists, because he wanted the same success. Clive Davis was behind this & Supernatural, but Clive got fired from Arista around that time and L.A. Reid who took over didn't spend any more money on Prince's album. Prince did not really use most of the guests in that noticeable of a way anyhow. That was the only album Prince released on Arista. Also notice that on Prince's biggest selling album that was released after Purple Rain was Diamonds And Pearls, during which he hired Frank Dileo as his manager and the music videos had a higher production value than his usual ones. The Batman soundtrack videos also were better made.
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I'm sorry but that's reaching a bit.
Prince was a genius,and I don't wanna sound mean but Lady Gaga isn't a genius. Lady Gaga got famous due to the shock value she kept on using for her stuff,the shock value being a gimmick she completely lifted from Madonna. She didn't bring anything new to the table in that regard,tho I don't deny her musical talent.
And Bruno Mars is talented as well but what's unique about him?
Prince was not only unique but diverse as well. From lycris to concepts ,from the music itself to the music videos and stage performances.
He was himself,just like Michael. Unlike most today artists who are talented but not anything never seen before at all.
Of course, I do agree with you when it comes to this but at the end of the day it is all subjective right? It all boils down to one’s preferences l, if one like the music, the direction etc. Just saying Prince is better or more talented by default for doing everything by himself is silly to me because at the end of the day it’s about the quality, and MJ was quality first. He could have done much by himself as is evident with his demos and the Bad album but he chose not to. Prince could have benefited from allowing others to help him.
 

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So for Mike it wasn't that hard to model his performance. He just used the vision that he had for his then on-going tour.
It was revolutionary but the dude made the concept ,that he later used for performance,way before the Superbowl happened.
What I mean is that what he tehnically did on stage there wasn't that new for him.
But how does this negate anything that I just said? He still had no one PRIOR to him do the Super Bowl so he had to make his own concept. Whether or not he used elements from the dangerous tour is irrelevant.
 
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@Themidwestcowboy, keep in mind that unlike Prince, Michael Jackson used to be extremely reliant on other people who helped him to achieve what he achieved in his career.

Michael Jackson used to hire the best producers, the best sound engineers, the best mixing engineers, the best external songwriters, the best directors, the best choreographers, the best advisors, the best touring managers, and so on.

Take, for example, a look at the personnel of his 'Thriller' album: there is an endless list of people who worked on that album in order for it to have such a success.

Or, his 'Thriller' music video, which was an idea that came from Frank DiLeo (as he revealed in a Vanity Fair Interview) and he was the one who pushed the singer to shoot it.

Prince's lyrics are more diverse and daring, and just some of his songs prove this, for example:

His '1999' song, where he mocks an imminent Armageddon.

His 'Purple Rain' song, where he refers (in a haunting way) to the end of the world.

His 'Sign O' The Times' song, where he refers to certain socio-political problems, even to an impending nuclear holocaust.

His 'Sister' song, where he refers to incest (i.e., an unsettling sexual relationship with his own sister).

Prince even used the heartbeat from his baby's ultrasound as a groove for his 'Sex In The Summer' song, a move that no other artist has ever dared to do such a thing.

@zinniabooklover, the exact same thing can be said from the other side.

Prince, as an artist, is endlessly interesting, exciting and fascinating to Prince's fans.
 

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@Themidwestcowboy, keep in mind that unlike Prince, Michael Jackson used to be extremely reliant on other people who helped him to achieve what he achieved in his career.

Michael Jackson used to hire the best producers, the best sound engineers, the best mixing engineers, the best external songwriters, the best directors, the best choreographers, the best advisors, the best touring managers, and so on.

Take, for example, a look at the personnel of his 'Thriller' album: there is an endless list of people who worked on that album in order for it to have such a success.

Or, his 'Thriller' music video, which was an idea that came from Frank DiLeo (as he revealed in a Vanity Fair Interview) and he was the one who pushed the singer to shoot it.

Prince's lyrics are more diverse and daring, and just some of his songs prove this, for example:

His '1999' song, where he mocks an imminent Armageddon.

His 'Purple Rain' song, where he refers (in a haunting way) to the end of the world.

His 'Sign O' The Times' song, where he refers to certain socio-political problems, even to an impending nuclear holocaust.

His 'Sister' song, where he refers to incest (i.e., an unsettling sexual relationship with his own sister).

Prince even used the heartbeat from his baby's ultrasound as a groove for his 'Sex In The Summer' song, a move that no other artist has ever dared to do such a thing.

@zinniabooklover, the exact same thing can be said from the other side.

Prince, as an artist, is endlessly interesting, exciting and fascinating to Prince's fans.
Exactly. Good points, tell them about about the evidence we found that Quincy Jones invented the moonwalk
 

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Exactly. Good points, tell them about about the evidence we found that Quincy Jones invented the moonwalk
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