All Evidentiary Matters /MJ's Finances, Murray's girlfriends, Autopsy pictures, TII Footage, Experts

[katrine]

So Murray's attorneys don't want Murray's dirt out there but they want to talk about MJ's financial matters? If anything Murray's debt, girlfriends etc is the reason why he took the job and threw his ethics out the window by giving a man anesthesia in his house. He did it because of the money to support his girlfriends and to pay off his other financial obligations.

Does anyone know how the prosecution responded to this motion?

EXACTLY - Murrays team have been using tabloid trash to try and tarnish MJs image (in effect tainting the publics views) and areas that are important to the case that could provide background he wants removed so as to paint himself as some sort of innocent in all this - Insane

 

[Sue1]

So key facts about his character and motives are off limits, but michael's financial situation should be plastered all over the world, not to mention unsubstantiated theories about drug use. They are really saying let's dirty Michael and keep Murray clean!!

Yes, exactly, that Murray Monster has got a lot of EFFING NERVE he really has! Being as Judge Pastor has denied them the access to Michael's financial records, can only trust and hope that the Prosecution gets to grill Murray alive - hes more than fair game now! As for the photos, as hard as they will be to bear to see, these should be shown too - everything that shows Murrays sheer incompetence and neglect should be offered up for public view specially in the hope of getting our Michael justice!

 

[Petrarose]

I want them to show relevant photos from his death and contrast them with how he looked that night when he said bye to the cast. Then the jury will really see the difference and have a true picture of Murray's doctor's care.

 

[StacyJ]

so Murray doesn't think his child support, lawsuits and multiple girlfriends has anything to do with this case? why else would he a cardiologist, who should've known better agree to give a man anesthesia to sleep daily?

 

[startinsomethin87]

Isn't one of Murray's defenses that Michael injected himself with propofol? I'm not sure how detailed the autopsy photos are (probably quite a bit) but I'd think if you were trying to determine that, you'd want to examine pictures of the injection sites. Maybe they're so small that photos of them won't do any good. But at least in that instance, you wouldn't have to show photos of his entire body, just of the arm.

I guess my instinct is to agree with most of you. The autopsy photos may be gruesome, but they may also be crucial.

 

[Thetruthbetold]

Those demons representing Dr.Murder is going to go all out so yes pictures of his body will be presented at court so that he can prove MJ so called addiction MJ family can pulled this to make sure MJ pics are not shown but Dr.Murder team may call the shots during this case that hole team is evil

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Isn't one of Murray's defenses that Michael injected himself with propofol? I'm not sure how detailed the autopsy photos are (probably quite a bit) but I'd think if you were trying to determine that, you'd want to examine pictures of the injection sites. Maybe they're so small that photos of them won't do any good. But at least in that instance, you wouldn't have to show photos of his entire body, just of the arm.

I guess my instinct is to agree with most of you. The autopsy photos may be gruesome, but they may also be crucial.

the IV was in the leg. tbh i doubt you need the pics to show where it was given. everything would have been removed at the hospital. its prob to more with lividiyy issues etc. heck do we even know if the pros want to use these pics and its not just more p.r games by the defence. even if they are shown i doubt the public will be allowed to see them.

 

[Justthefacts]

There were four marks on Michael's backside that were made by the beads the wooden beads. They were marked on the autsopy as makrs made before he died. It shows IMO that Michael was dead long before the EMTS got there and it is more proof that Murray lied about feeling a heartbeat. That could be what they don't want it shown

 

[elusive moonwalker]

true..... the evidence will still be shown though just not the pics. just shows how desperate they are trying to stop such evidence from being shown.

 

[mjjmsc]

the photos are evidence, no matter how hard would be for us to see them...and Murray behivour is important to show that he would do anything for money!

 

[ruchie]

I hope They tell the whole trash on Murray and asks this question,Who The Hell is paying you to travel and taunt and be seen on TMZ.....Who's continuing to pay for your lifestyle while MJ is Gone and Buried and His Children is hurting without their father here with them?

 

[Nonoka]

Just a little question regarding the autopy photos: Do you think some of them will leak or even be released to the public if they will be used during the trial (it's not that I want them too leak, but I'm just wondering) ?

 

[xthunderx2]

Just a little question regarding the autopy photos: Do you think some of them will leak or even be released to the public if they will be used during the trial (it's not that I want them too leak, but I'm just wondering) ?

those that are responsible for those photo's better hope that they DON"T leak...THAT would cause a MAJOR uproar..I mean MAJOR uproar in the fan community....and the PPB...dont need to have that happen..God forbid they EVER saw pics of Michael like that...it would do them children so much psychological damage that it may be unrepairable.

 

[Diplomate]

There were four marks on Michael's backside that were made by the beads the wooden beads. They were marked on the autsopy as makrs made before he died. It shows IMO that Michael was dead long before the EMTS got there and it is more proof that Murray lied about feeling a heartbeat. That could be what they don't want it shown

Mike died before 12pm.

Murray knows that, but he didn't want to tell it to the paramedics because " he was the doctor who should take care of Mike " normaly of course.

So for the killer, is better that Mike died in the hospital.

 

[StacyJ]

Mike died before 12pm.

Murray knows that, but he didn't want to tell it to the paramedics because " he was the doctor who should take care of Mike " normaly of course.

So for the killer, is better that Mike died in the hospital.

of course. He is such a liar.. He has no idea when MJ died because he wasn't watching him at all. He told the ER doctor that it 'just happened'. He told the police he left for 2 minutes and that's when it happened. He has told so many different stories.. I wonder what story the defense will make up? are they going to admit that Murray was out of that room for longer than 2 minutes? if that's the case then they are admitting their client is guilty of negligence and abandoning his anesthesized patient right?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

if that's the case then they are admitting their client is guilty of negligence and abandoning his anesthesized patient right?

not if they claim mj was sleeping normally at that point which is no doubt what they will say.

even if the pics are shown it will be for the jurrors eyes only

 

[StacyJ]

MJ sleeping 'normally' doesn't add up because according to Murray's own timeline, MJ didn't sleep at all that day.. Every hour or so Murray was drugging MJ up according to his interview with the police.

 

[StacyJ]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110414/ap_en_ot/us_michael_jackson_doctor

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch, Ap Special Correspondent – 1 hr 24 mins ago
LOS ANGELES – Prosecutors in the case against Michael Jackson's doctor say they want to show jurors that his complicated love life distracted him from the pop star's treatment.

In motions filed Thursday, Los Angeles prosecutors also say Dr. Conrad Murray violated doctor-patient confidentiality by trying to impress three girlfriends with the fact that he was treating Jackson. They say he disclosed medical information to them while withholding it from authorities at the critical time of Jackson's death and was distracted by phone conversations with the women when Jackson was dying.

Defense attorneys have moved to bar from evidence "sexually scandalous information" including his patronage of strip clubs where he met women.

Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the pop star's death. Jury selection resumes May 4.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

I am also confused as to how Murray's attorneys believe this information is irrelevant? The man was talking and texting these women while his patient, MJ, was either dead or dying under anesthesia given by Murray. How is this not relevant to the case? it shows blatant disregard for the patient and negligence to the 100th degree. It is definitely relevant

 

[MJ~And~Me]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

If Murray would have been carrying out his duties to Michael and not on the phone Michael could still be here with us:yes:

 

[cinzia]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

I'm not quite clear from this how murray saying he was taking care of Michael would be a breach of doctor patient confidentiality, after all, it wasn't a secret. BUT if he disclosed any details of that care whatsoever, THAT would absolutely be a breach.
That bit about:

he disclosed medical information to them while withholding it from authorities at the critical time of Jackson's death

now that is very interesting. The prosec. must have something solid or wouldn't make such a statement (if it is true). For that alone he should lose any and all medical privileges and be barred for life from the medical field.

I also think that if the defense can try and dredge up all kinds of ish about Michael to show how 'innocent' murray is and pin it all on Michael, they should keep their mouths shut when the prosecution plays the same game. Of course it isn't a game, is it. No. But the prosecution's 'sleaze' evidence has a direct and fairly obvious bearing on murray's actions or rather INactions. As opposed to the defense's multiple failed archeological expeditions to try and dig up dirt on Michael.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I'm not quite clear from this how murray saying he was taking care of Michael would be a breach of doctor patient confidentiality, after all, it wasn't a secret. BUT if he disclosed any details of that care whatsoever, THAT would absolutely be a breach.
That bit about: now that is very interesting. The prosec. must have something solid or wouldn't make such a statement (if it is true). For that alone he should lose any and all medical privileges and be barred for life from the medical field.

I also think that if the defense can try and dredge up all kinds of ish about Michael to show how 'innocent' murray is and pin it all on Michael, they should keep their mouths shut when the prosecution plays the same game. Of course it isn't a game, is it. No. But the prosecution's 'sleaze' evidence has a direct and fairly obvious bearing on murray's actions or rather INactions. As opposed to the defense's multiple failed archeological expeditions to try and dig up dirt on Michael.

would it not be a breach to go around saying im treating mj? U may not give actual details of treatment but telling ppl u are treating mj to me is still a breach.and no one knew murray was treating mj except for mjs close circle

re disclosure to the girlfriends u have nicole who was storing the diprivan so maybe she knew or are they just talking about these three women.if so maybe they told the police that murray tild them ge was giving mj diprivan

after reading the motion the non disclosure is in reference to murray having no problem telling his g.fs about working for mj yet he didnt disclose to the medics and docs about what he had given mj at a critical time.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

would it not be a breach to go around saying im treating mj? U may not give actual details of treatment but telling ppl u are treating mj to me is still a breach.and no one knew murray was treating mj except for mjs close circle

re disclosure to the girlfriends u have nicole who was storing the diprivan so maybe she knew or are they just talking about these three women.if so maybe they told the police that murray tild them ge was giving mj diprivan

Interesting.. I would like to know what he told them too especially if he went into detail about MJ's health. I wonder if he mentioned the vitiligo etc..

 

[ruchie]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

Good, I hope they findout everything about this murderer.There is plenty of truth outthere and we need to see justice served like a good lapdance.Everything will be spilled out about this Fake.Put him on the stand and watch him shiver in fright. JUST DO IT !!!!

 

[cinzia]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

would it not be a breach to go around saying im treating mj? U may not give actual details of treatment but telling ppl u are treating mj to me is still a breach.and no one knew murray was treating mj except for mjs close circle

Doctor patient confidentiality holds that a patient should have every expectation that what s/he tells the doctor, what the doctor finds on examination, every bit of documentation is never to be divulged to anyone else. Whatever a doctor observes, even if unrelated to the primary problem, anything at all, it is to be kept strictly between the patient and the doctor. So telling someone he was treating Michael couldn't be a breach since he was not disclosing any details of treatment, etc.,BUT for example, telling someone he was treating him for sleep problems, definite breach.
Only the patient can waive this confidentiality. It is up to the patient to say if it is okay to disclose his medical info to a third party, it is not the doctor's call although there are some exceptions.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

i think its more about the below issue.rather than general paitent/client confidientiality interms of discussing medical care

after reading the motion the non disclosure is in reference to murray having no problem telling his g.fs about working for mj yet he didnt disclose to the medics and docs about what he had given mj at a critical time.

 

[cinzia]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

One conversation with a cocktail waitress he met at a Houston restaurant lasted 11 minutes and apparently ended when Murray realized Jackson wasn't breathing, prosecutors said.

But isn't that wrong? Wasn't he talking with, I can't remember her name...wait, wasn't it Sade? anyway, for one minute when everything started to happen? And then she called him back and got no answer? So what is this 11 minute call about? That would be before he called Sade. At least that's what I recall reading. What is the prosecution actually saying? Unless the article is wrong??

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

It was an 11 min call. It started at around 11.51.and ended when he noticed mj.she then tried to ring him back

 

[cinzia]

Re: Prelim Hearing: Understanding & evaluating testimony / Questions about testimony
below is the full list of calls i copied from the prelim thread at the time. yes i think the incoming call was from amir from what i remember

relevant data activity
12:03 pm text
12:04 text message to or from TX
12. 13 pm data
12:18 pm data
12:53 pm text mesage California
1:23 pm text message Nevada

- list of phone calls
10:29 am call from ? to Murray’s phone 22 minutes
11:07 am from 3233 to Murray’s phone 1 minute
11 18 am call from 0973 placed 6802 and that call logged at 32 minutes.
missed listing one call
11:49 am call placed from Murray to 4989 3 minutes.
11:51 am a call placed from Murry to 3832 11 minutes.
12:12 pm from Murray phone to 2570 lasted 1 minute
12:15 pm from 2570 to conrad Murray 1 minute

- Chernoff asks if it's possible to retrieve text messages and voice messages. Expert says yes but he's not an expert and not familiar with the process.

JEFF STROHM

- Works for Sprint Nextel.

- Phone calls
8:49 am from 5217 to Murray 53 seconds
10:22 am from 0124 to Murray 111 seconds
10:34 am from Murray to 3233 8 and a half minutes
11:26 am from 9566 to Murray seven seconds
1:08 pm from Murray to 070 2 minutes

Okay then what is this (bold) about? I pulled this from the prelim hearing thread. If Anding called him back as she said, then the 1 min calls from murray is to her. If the 11 min call is to Anding then she didn't call him back as she stated cause the numbers don't match. I'm getting confused.

 

[betseyby67]

Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

The 12:12 pm call was the frantic call by Murray to Michael Amir Williams, Mike's personal assistant, where he leaves the message that something happened to Mike and to come right away.

Williams calls him back at 12:15 pm.