Nobody is praising Michael in anyway. if Michael did do crime he should get trouble for it but the thing is, HE DIDN"T DO ANYTHING AND HE"S IS INNOCENT.
I do , why not ? He was an incredible artist AND a wonderful human being .He definitly deserves my praise .
That's very true but Michael is and was a human being and if he did do crime he should get trouble for it. which he didn't do a crime. just because Michael is biggest superstar in the world doesn't mean he should get special treatment if he did a crime he even said it himself. but he didn't do anything.
even though i'm am fan i'm not gonna give him special treatment if he did do anything because he would have get trouble just like anyone else. but he's innocent so this don't really need to be a topic.
And who said he should have a special treatment if he commited a crime ? If i praise him as a human being it means first that i necessarily believe he commited no crime and second that he was truly special among other humans .
You know some people are. they think someone who has special talent they can't get in trouble. you see it everyday. but like i said Michael is and was innocent. yes he was very special but each one of us is special our own way. right now i'm seeing MJ as person not a superstar. do i think he's innocent as a person? most definitely yes.
everyone has own opinions though. like someone said you can still be a fan and have doubts. but i totally believe Michael was and is innocent. as human being and a great superstar legend and icon.
everyone has own opinions though. like someone said you can still be a fan and have doubts. but i totally believe Michael was and is innocent. as human being and a great superstar legend and icon.
Thanks God, some members starts to follow this thread and the "Trials And Tribulations" section in general.
I repeat, moderators have deleted a lot of posts in this thread.. but if moderators kept them members will be shocked.
For me, this is HYPOCRISY.
If you have doubt, why you will still a fan of a pedophile !!
MJ music will have no sense, then you will contradict your self by Listening to "Heal The World" or "Little Susie" , songs made by a pedophile.
It doesn't make sense.
What is your problem with this site and some members? you been a member since 2014 what's your problem?
2/ Yes I have a problem with some members. I'm a fan. I think I have the right to see this community different than Twitter, FB or Reddit.
For me, this is HYPOCRISY.
If you have doubt, why you will still a fan of a pedophile !!
MJ music will have no sense, then you will contradict your self by Listening to "Heal The World" or "Little Susie" , songs made by a pedophile.
It doesn't make sense.
Yes I have a problem with some members. I'm a fan. I think I have the right to see this community different than Twitter, FB or Reddit.
Then why won't you just block those members that's bothering you?
Because it's not a personnal thing , it's about the community .
The "community" is admiring a man who has had troubles with justice for the last 16 years of his life, and who still has, even after his death. Despite all the efforts that have been made to try to prove that he was manipulated, you can't pretend that everyone in the community believes he was 100% innocent. This would be hightly hypocritical. If you don't accept that the community might now be made of people with very different opinions on the man's life, then I think you can't call it a community anymore.
Why don't you just do it ? Why do you want to pretend that there are no questions amongst the community ? Why do you want to avoid the fact that there are some people who were fans and who have to struggle today because they believe they were wrong about their idol ? These people exist and I'm sorry you have to accept it. You are wasting your time and energy.
There some fans that has left the MJfam. but i find that silly. i'm sure half of them will be back when they realize Michael didn't do anything.
The rest of your intervention is insulting and doesn't bring anything, but I'm going to answer this one because it's a fair question.
Personally (speaking now without my moderator hat on) I find your sanctimonious ways to be insulting to other members. Your rationalisations and cerebral gymnastics don't really bring anything, yet they are tolerated by others. Maybe you could learn something from that.
I do not understand how someone with your current views regarding MJ can actually still call yourself a fan. In fact, I don't really believe it......I think that is a lie, or some kind of smoke screen, to ensure that you can continue to post your musings here. If I believed him to be guilty, I would no longer be a fan, nor would I be camped on a forum dedicated to the man......I would find other more productive ways to spend my time. You clearly get off on arguing with people, or being contrary.
The "community" is admiring a man who has had troubles with justice for the last 16 years of his life, and who still has, even after his death. Despite all the efforts that have been made to try to prove that he was manipulated, you can't pretend that everyone in the community believes he was 100% innocent. This would be hightly hypocritical. If you don't accept that the community might now be made of people with very different opinions on the man's life, then I think you can't call it a community anymore.
Personally (speaking now without my moderator hat on) I find your sanctimonious ways to be insulting to other members. Your rationalisations and cerebral gymnastics don't really bring anything, yet they are tolerated by others. Maybe you could learn something from that.
I do not understand how someone with your current views regarding MJ can actually still call yourself a fan. In fact, I don't really believe it......I think that is a lie, or some kind of smoke screen, to ensure that you can continue to post your musings here. If I believed him to be guilty, I would no longer be a fan, nor would I be camped on a forum dedicated to the man......I would find other more productive ways to spend my time. You clearly get off on arguing with people, or being contrary.
You already told me this kind of things in private, Mikky. I'm sorry you don't believe me, I can't do anything to convince you, and I don't want to. I thought you would have noticed in my interventions that I've always had a problem with the word "fan", even when I considered myself to be one. And yes, of course I'm not a fan anymore (whatever this word means), in the sense that I can't relate to this artist the way I used to. That's why I said we all have a different history, a different relationship, a different link to this artist. And I still have a link to him, and I know I always will. It's not something you erase like that, even after this documentary that I believe to be telling the truth.
Now I understand you don't get why I'm still here, even if I tried to explain it in several ways. But I know why I'm here. Now if you don't want me here anymore, just tell me clearly and I will go.
Concerning my "sanctimonious ways to be insulting to other members", I understand how you can feel that if you think that I'm faking. Just imagine if I'm sincere, how insulting these few members are to me.
Nothing is silly. Some people have their reasons to leave, some have their reasons to stay. Some stay today and will leave tomorrow. Some leave today and will come back. And some will never change, whatever their opinion might be. Everyone does what they feel and it's perfectly fine, as long as they are being honest with themselves and don't judge the opinions of others and their decisions.
Don't forget that you can also feel a strong link with Michael Jackson and not belong to any community. And I believe this is the vast majority of people. At first, all of this is very personal, and nobody has he right to judge the relation you have to an artist.
Then why won't you just block those members that's bothering you?
I will not block them, I want to expose them in front of all members.
Nobody here is judging the relations you have with MJ .But you joined a community and in a community there are tacit rules . You cannot go to a tennis club full of passionate tennis fans and keep bitching about how bad tennis is , how you hate this sport;All you doing is preventing passionate fans to ENJOY their sport freely by spewing negative things on it .How are they going to enjoy it when you try to make them feel guilty of doing this ? . Nobody is trying to prevent you from not liking MJ , or believing that he is a pedophile , you have THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE HE IS A PEDOPHILE nobody can take that away from you , but you can NOT do it in a community dedicated to love , praise and RESPECT the man . Respect here means BELIEVE IN HIS INNOCENCE A 100% .You just CANNOT , this is bulshit !!
Do it in your OWN community , not here
And I still have a link to him, and I know I always will. It's not something you erase like that, even after this documentary that I believe to be telling the truth.
Don't waste your time trying to explain him.
He knows what's the goal of this community.
I wish Gaz show us his deleted posts, then you will see what the REAL opinion of JC08 about MJ.
