Boycot $ony or not

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Will You Boycott $ony?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 23.6%
  • No

    Votes: 33 60.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 9 16.4%

  • Total voters
    55
  • Poll closed .
In regards to efforts to ‘boycott’ or thwart $ony’s profiteering off of Michael Jackson’s death, I’ve seen some pretty ignorant statements against it. For instance:

“Oh noo! If we boycott $ony we can’t buy all this other music from these other artists and it will hurt these other artists too!”
Wrong.


Boycotting $ony’s sales of Michael Jackson merchandise and music means simply not buying anything they’re selling with Michael Jackson’s name, likeness, images, music, videos in or on it. It does not mean boycotting the work of other artists from them.

If you choose to boycott $ony due to the suspicious nature of Michael’s death and $ony’s treatment of Michael through the years – then just don’t buy anything they’re selling that is Michael Jackson-related. That doesn’t hurt ‘other artists‘.


$ony has manipulated Michael Jackson in life and to death to get and keep control of $ony/ATV and the MiJac catalogues. These items are what are worth most in his estate. The dollar figure is in the billions (with a ‘B’). It is my firm belief (and it seems it was also Michael’s suspicion before he died, see quotes below) that he may have been murdered for this ie: for money, profit, control/ownership of his estate and particularly those catalogues.

Here’s another pretty ignorant statement:
“Oh but it’ll hurt his legacy if we don’t buy any more MJ stuff!”

Wrong.


Where have the people claiming this been for the past 50 years?

Michael’s artistic legacy is already written. If no one ever bought another MJ-related item, it would not hurt his legacy. It’s already HIStory. And nothing will change that now. Something that could damage his legacy however, is $ony putting MJ’s name, likeness and music in every venue and on every piece of merchandise possible for profit, no matter how cheesy. That cheapens his legacy. You know Michael was selective about where his name, likeness and music were used. For him, it was about the L.O.V.E. For $ony, it’s all about the money, honey. So if you’re concerned with preserving Michael’s primo golden legacy, don’t buy MJ-related stuff from $ony. They’re slutty. They’ll put it anywhere for the money. Michael would not.

And – yet another one:
“But – Boycotting $ony will hurt Katherine and the kids! That money is theirs!”
Wrong.


Profits go to $ony, John Branca, and John McClain


Katherine and the kids get a monthly allowance from the estate. That amount is the same each month. That won’t change no matter how much $ony sells of Michael’s unreleased music or other things with his name and likeness on it.

Speaking of what’s “theirs” though, what is theirs is Michael’s legacy: all of that released and unreleased music and in particular and most importantly, those catalogs (Sony/ATV and MiJac).

Those catalogues are the part of the estate that is worth the most. If we want to balk about what’s theirs that’s what we ought to be balking about. These catalogs of Michael’s own recording masters and the $ony/ATV rightfully ought to belong to Michael’s children at some point when they’re old enough. But lo and behold those are – as planned by Branca + $ony – slated to go to $ony at first chance that it can be arranged without looking too suspicious. Click on the link and you can read it at the $onyATV site itself. So you got no problem with that? Well you should.


$ony is the one entity that has profited most from Michael’s murder.


$ony is the one entity that didn’t bother to show up at his memorial – even the public one – even after all the money they’ve made from his work through the years – Millions if not Billions of dollars. They showed him zero support during the trial in 2005 and they were nowhere to be seen when he died – until there was money to be made from his fans via sales due to their grief over his death, and then they were right there with their hands out.



The hearts of MJ’s fans are a direct line to their wallets and $ony knows it.


$ony made it obvious through the years that it in no way intended to let ownership or control of $ony/ATV or Michael’s own MiJac catalogue to remain with Michael. They have manipulated him incessantly to keep those catalogues in their sites and under their control. Having him conveniently ‘out of the way’ now clears the path for them to carry out their well-known long-term plan to get complete ownership and control of both of those catalogues, with the added convenience of help from John Branca and John McClain.

I guess we should just ignore all that though, in favor of ignorance and for drooling over what “we’ll get” out of Michael’s demise – new releases, new music, some new concert footage, or whatever. Is that what it’s all about? What “we get” for ourselves? Michael wrote a song called ‘What More Can I Give?’. I guess for some MJ fans, it’s ‘What More Can I Get?’ Nevermind the incredibly odd circumstances surrounding his death, the ethical issues with the execution of his estate, $ony’s past and present moneymaking machinations, and the theft of the biggest part of his legacy from his children. Just gimme. That certainly is $ony’s mantra when it comes to Michael Jackson too: ‘What More Can We Get?


That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? But it’s the very antithesis of all Michael was and was and what he was about.

He died because of this. In a word: greed.

What will change if enough of Michael’s fans wield their power of refusing to buy MJ merchandise from $ony is not the amount of money Katherine and the kids will get — but rather the amount of profit $ony and John Branca/John McClain will make off of Michael’s death.


And that profit going to Branca$ony is what I would like to see minimized. Why?

Because it seems to me that Michael was very likely murdered for it. For the money, for control and ownership of the catalogues, for the profit that could be made from his death. He was worth more dead than alive and various vultures that had surrounded him all his life knew that. This flock of ‘regulars’ suspiciously constellated in his life once again in the weeks before his murder and that 2002 will is highly suspect.

Those catalogs are worth billions (with a ‘B’) and $ony has been manipulating Michael to get at them for years. Incessantly. They rightfully belong to his children, not $ony. But with things as they stand now, his children will likely never have any ownership or control of them because they are apparently being stolen from them by $ony with John Branca’s help.


Just personally, I am not going to pay what could be his murderers for what they’ve done to him – in life, or death. And I’m not going to help them steal their father’s legacy from his children.


Are we trying to bring $ony down? Heck no. That’s impossible. It would be ludicrous to even try. But I’m not going to help them profit off of Michael’s murder – whether they are involved themselves or not. And I have no interest in whether they survive as an entity or not.


All Michael Jackson fans have the power to prevent $ony from profiting off of Michael’s death by simply not buying any MJ merchandise from them. And just in my own opinion, if they truly “love Michael Jackson” (the human being, not the commodity) they have not only the power, but the obligation to see that $ony does not profit off of his murder, particularly if there is any suspicion that they may have been involved in it. Based on Michael’s own comments through the years before he died, $ony’s rabid penchant to keep control of him and his catalogues over the years, the questionable circumstances in which Michael died, and the ethical issues with the will, it’s certainly possible.
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WHEN YOU BUY MICHAEL JACKSON MERCHANDISE FROM $ONY JUST BE AWARE . . .

You are being manipulated for profit! $ony and Branca/McClain are manipulating Michael’s fans – getting to their wallets and credit cards though their hearts – capitalizing on their grief about Michael’s death/murder to make profit for themselves. (themselves – not for the estate or the children, mind you).

I don’t know about you but I don’t like being manipulated. Especially by $ony – a sneaky, silent entity that abused and manipulated Michael for years behind the scenes. No matter WHAT John Branca says.

Let’s clarify something right now: John Branca speaks for John Branca and $ony, NOT Michael Jackson
. Michael Jackson is dead. And when he was alive, we saw and heard what Michael had to say about $ony. And it was a VERY different story.

I don’t care if “we’ll get” 2 CDs of his new unreleased music and some unreleased video footage and a game — or 7 CDs of new music or whatever. What “we get” is irrelevant. If it’s dripping in Michael Jackson’s blood, I don’t want it. I don’t care WHAT it is.

Distractions from ‘anonymous’ commenters on this site into discussion of such petty details is irrelevant and does not change the fact that Michael was very likely murdered for money and control of his catalogues. It does not change the fact that $ony corporation is the one entity profiting most from his death. It does not change the fact that his will and executors of the estate and the conflicts of interest inherent in them are very suspect. Nor does it change the fact that in the years before his death, he knew this might happen. It is evident in many quotes from him and events going on around him. These things can not and should not be ignored – if we indeed care about Michael Jackson the human being at all.

And NO it’s not going to hurt ‘other artiststo boycott $ony’s Michael Jackson merchandise. That makes no sense.

And NO it’s not going to hurt Katherine and the kids to boycott $ony’s Michael Jackson merchandise. They’ll get the same amount of $ each month regardless.

And NO it’s not going to hurt Michael’s legacy if we don’t buy blood-soaked Michael Jackson merchandise from $ony. His artistic legacy is written in HIStory and nothing will change it now. Nothing. In fact it might hurt his legacy more if we do buy from $ony. Why? Because one thing that could easily cheapen Michael’s golden image is to have $ony slapping his image on every item and his music in every venue possible for profit, no matter how cheesy.

In monetary and legal terms, Michael’s legacy is his back catalogue of master recordings. And John Branca is set to give $ony first dibs on that. Did it ever occur to anyone that this belongs to Michael’s children and it’s being stolen from them? Did it ever occur to anyone that by buying MJ-related merchandise from $ony that you are helping the entities who are stealing Michael’s legacy from his children? Hello. Pfft. Do you get it yet?

Refusing to buy MJ-related merchandise from $ony might hurt $ony/Branca/McClain’s collective ability to PROFIT
off of Michael’s death/murder. And so it should!
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You know sometimes, it’s got to be about more than what “we’ll get” for ourselves. A beautiful man who gave much to this World has been murdered for profit and control of his estate. His death was no ‘accident’. His will is extremely suspect. His children are orphans and all they have of their father is his legacy (music catalogues, personal items and profits therefrom) and that is being stolen from beneath them by $ony and their lawyers who are now executors of his estate. Where is the respect? Where is the care for him and his family and what rightfully belongs to his family, namely his children?Sometimes, people need to think about something beyond themselves and getting their next new CD or TV or fancy new outfit or whatever. We hesitate or refuse to buy stuff made in sweatshops or by slave labor. But many are clamoring to buy merchandise containing the music and likeness of a man who was murdered for money and profit, and to buy it from what may have been his murderers who are also apparently in the process of stealing his legacy from his children. Wow • Just • Wow . . .

That music could be released years from now by his children when they’re of age. But apparently many MJ fans would rather give blood money to the entity that possibly murdered him and are stealing his children’s legacy, so they don’t have to wait that long
. And as I’ve pointed out here, the justifications and excuses they use for doing this just don’t hold water.


I guess we should just ignore that, eh?

What WILL change if enough of Michael’s fans WIELD THEIR POWER of NOT buying MJ stuff from $ony – is the amount of PROFIT $ONY and John Branca/John McClain will make off of Michael’s death.


And THAT is what I would like to see minimized. Why? Because IMO Michael was murdered for it. For that MONEY. Those catalogs are worth billions (with a ‘b’) and $ony has been manipulating Michael to get at them for years. Incessantly.

Just personally, I am NOT going to pay what could be his murderers for what they’ve likely done.

Are we trying to bring $ony down? Hell no. That’s impossible. It would be ludicrous to even try.

BUT – Michael Jackson fans have THE POWER to see that $ony does not profit (or not as much at least) off of Michael’s death.


“Sony” didn’t want him leaving, owning a part of Sony. He was so excited when his contract was over….then he discovered his contract was “manipulated so he couldn’t leave when he believed he could. Branca was his lawyer @ the time.” (This person was a close friend of MJ for many years and knew how he felt about $ony)
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The estate and particularly Michael’s catalogues and all his unreleased music and concert footage should be placed in trust and control given to his children when they are adults. They are Michael’s family and that is who it rightfully belongs to, along with any subsequent profits. Not $ony and not John Branca et al. But interestingly, there is no provision for this in that old will that John Branca himself wrote … in which he is named executor of MJ’s estate and which he just happened to have a copy of after Michael died and which was allegedly signed by Michael in LA while Michael was in NYC that day.

NO. 1 + 1 does not equal 5. Since when does a lawyer who writes a will name himself the executor of the estate named in the will? My lawyer is not the executor of my estate. My mother’s lawyer is not the executor of her estate either. The thought would be ludicrous. Most lawyers I know would refuse to be put in such a position even if asked due to the ethical issues. How did Michael sign this document in LA when he was on the other side of the country that day? Should we ignore the seemingly obvious logistical and ethical problems with this?

I don’t think so.

Considering all this, do you see the problem yet? The potential ruse?

Even Michael’s dad, Joe, won’t go see Cirque de Soleil’s Michael Jackson shows – because once again, $ony will make a killing (pun intended) on royalties, since Cirque is allowed to use anything they chose out of the entire catalogue including unreleased material. $ony gets handsome royalties from that – for years. Even Joe knows. And on this, I agree with him.

Here’s a link to a website that might be helpful:
http://mjfansboycottsony.weebly.com/

ALSO, consider these quotes:
“My level of trust will change. And there’s a lot of conspiracy going on. I’ll say that much. A lot of it. All around me” -Michael Jackson
“Don’t leave me, they are trying to kill me” -Michael Jackson
“I am afraid of my life and for my children. I am so scared” -Michael Jackson
“I’m very concerned about my life” -Michael Jackson
As concerns Michael’s releasing other albums and songs via $ony after Invincible and Number Ones (when his contract with them was supposedly ended):
“Sony” didn’t want him leaving, owning a part of Sony. He was so excited when his contract was over….then he discovered his contract was “manipulated so he couldn’t leave when he believed he could. Branca was his lawyer @ the time.” (This person was a close friend of MJ for many years and knew how he felt about $ony)
Be aware too, that even after 2002 $ony could still release any of Michael’s previously-released music without his involvement. They had distribution rights. His attorney at the time, Peter Lopez, now (interestingly) dead, also asserted in 2007 that Michael had no new contracts with $ony or any record label nor did he intend to have. So there was little possibility that ‘MJ and $ony kissed and made up‘. But there was – as per usual with $ony – some manipulation going on in regards to Michael’s contract with them.

And John Branca just expanded and extended $ony’s distribution rights in his (not Michael’s) recent $250 million deal with them. And, he increased the percentage of royalties $ony receives. But not before ensuring that 10% of any profits ‘the estate‘ made would go to him and McClain, first. Section 9657 of California Probate Code reads: The personal representative shall not make profit by the increase, nor suffer loss by the decrease or destruction without his or her fault, of any part of the estate. Thus, this 10% profit these men have been allowed to make off of Michael’s estate seems to be a direct violation of this code.

Do I/we know all the facts surrounding Michael’s murder? No. And we may never know.

We do know that many, many things certainly don’t add up. And we do know who many of the vultures were who surrounded Michael over the years and how they were trying to manipulate and control him for money, and how some of them once again suspiciously castellated around him just before his death – seemingly ready to take control. Many, many questions are unanswered and those likely involved are tight-lipped about their bloody ruse. $ony in particular has often been the quiet manipulator behind the scenes in Michael’s life, their tentacles reaching into the smallest and most unsuspecting corners of his affairs, particularly his financial affairs.

Just remember, the cruellest lies are told in silence.

Those legal ‘powers that be‘ – the same ones who dealt such barbaric injustice to Michael in 1993 – 2005 are the now in charge of meting out justice in his murder. It’s pretty obvious therefore, that there will be no justice done in his murder.

And now, a second suspicious death in his circle. Mr. Peter Lopez, who was MJ’s lawyer until February, 2009 (apparently replaced with John Branca) has been found shot. Authorities are terming it a suicide but this is the second death in the group of people who surrounded Michael Jackson in the weeks and months before he died himself. What are they trying to hide? Did Lopez have or know something (such as Michael’s latest will) that those involved don’t want out there? What did Peter Lopez know about Michael Jackson’s last days and about this death and when did he know it? Was he slated to testify in Conrad Murray’s trial? Read the information at the first link I’ve provided in this paragraph. It corroborates what I’ve written above re: $ony. It confirms that Michael Jackson had no new contracts with $ony after 2002 nor did he have any intention of signing any new contracts with them. It also confirms that Michael never intended to tour again, as has been asserted before, and adds to the suspicion that Michael was somehow manipulated into the AEG/O2 deal.
 
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I say boycott ALL sony's products. because michael really would rather burn his music then have it in the hands of them.
 
I say boycott ALL sony's products. because michael really would rather burn his music then have it in the hands of them.

I agree I can't believe so many fans have signed not too boycott Sony on this poll
 
In regards to efforts to ‘boycott’ or thwart $ony’s profiteering off of Michael Jackson’s death, I’ve seen some pretty ignorant statements against it. For instance:

“Oh noo! If we boycott $ony we can’t buy all this other music from these other artists and it will hurt these other artists too!”
Wrong.


Boycotting $ony’s sales of Michael Jackson merchandise and music means simply not buying anything they’re selling with Michael Jackson’s name, likeness, images, music, videos in or on it. It does not mean boycotting the work of other artists from them.

If you choose to boycott $ony due to the suspicious nature of Michael’s death and $ony’s treatment of Michael through the years – then just don’t buy anything they’re selling that is Michael Jackson-related. That doesn’t hurt ‘other artists‘.


$ony has manipulated Michael Jackson in life and to death to get and keep control of $ony/ATV and the MiJac catalogues. These items are what are worth most in his estate. The dollar figure is in the billions (with a ‘B’). It is my firm belief (and it seems it was also Michael’s suspicion before he died, see quotes below) that he may have been murdered for this ie: for money, profit, control/ownership of his estate and particularly those catalogues.

Here’s another pretty ignorant statement:
“Oh but it’ll hurt his legacy if we don’t buy any more MJ stuff!”

Wrong.


Where have the people claiming this been for the past 50 years?

Michael’s artistic legacy is already written. If no one ever bought another MJ-related item, it would not hurt his legacy. It’s already HIStory. And nothing will change that now. Something that could damage his legacy however, is $ony putting MJ’s name, likeness and music in every venue and on every piece of merchandise possible for profit, no matter how cheesy. That cheapens his legacy. You know Michael was selective about where his name, likeness and music were used. For him, it was about the L.O.V.E. For $ony, it’s all about the money, honey. So if you’re concerned with preserving Michael’s primo golden legacy, don’t buy MJ-related stuff from $ony. They’re slutty. They’ll put it anywhere for the money. Michael would not.

And – yet another one:
“But – Boycotting $ony will hurt Katherine and the kids! That money is theirs!”
Wrong.


Profits go to $ony, John Branca, and John McClain


Katherine and the kids get a monthly allowance from the estate. That amount is the same each month. That won’t change no matter how much $ony sells of Michael’s unreleased music or other things with his name and likeness on it.

Speaking of what’s “theirs” though, what is theirs is Michael’s legacy: all of that released and unreleased music and in particular and most importantly, those catalogs (Sony/ATV and MiJac).

Those catalogues are the part of the estate that is worth the most. If we want to balk about what’s theirs that’s what we ought to be balking about. These catalogs of Michael’s own recording masters and the $ony/ATV rightfully ought to belong to Michael’s children at some point when they’re old enough. But lo and behold those are – as planned by Branca + $ony – slated to go to $ony at first chance that it can be arranged without looking too suspicious. Click on the link and you can read it at the $onyATV site itself. So you got no problem with that? Well you should.


$ony is the one entity that has profited most from Michael’s murder.


$ony is the one entity that didn’t bother to show up at his memorial – even the public one – even after all the money they’ve made from his work through the years – Millions if not Billions of dollars. They showed him zero support during the trial in 2005 and they were nowhere to be seen when he died – until there was money to be made from his fans via sales due to their grief over his death, and then they were right there with their hands out.



The hearts of MJ’s fans are a direct line to their wallets and $ony knows it.


$ony made it obvious through the years that it in no way intended to let ownership or control of $ony/ATV or Michael’s own MiJac catalogue to remain with Michael. They have manipulated him incessantly to keep those catalogues in their sites and under their control. Having him conveniently ‘out of the way’ now clears the path for them to carry out their well-known long-term plan to get complete ownership and control of both of those catalogues, with the added convenience of help from John Branca and John McClain.

I guess we should just ignore all that though, in favor of ignorance and for drooling over what “we’ll get” out of Michael’s demise – new releases, new music, some new concert footage, or whatever. Is that what it’s all about? What “we get” for ourselves? Michael wrote a song called ‘What More Can I Give?’. I guess for some MJ fans, it’s ‘What More Can I Get?’ Nevermind the incredibly odd circumstances surrounding his death, the ethical issues with the execution of his estate, $ony’s past and present moneymaking machinations, and the theft of the biggest part of his legacy from his children. Just gimme. That certainly is $ony’s mantra when it comes to Michael Jackson too: ‘What More Can We Get?


That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? But it’s the very antithesis of all Michael was and was and what he was about.

He died because of this. In a word: greed.

What will change if enough of Michael’s fans wield their power of refusing to buy MJ merchandise from $ony is not the amount of money Katherine and the kids will get — but rather the amount of profit $ony and John Branca/John McClain will make off of Michael’s death.


And that profit going to Branca$ony is what I would like to see minimized. Why?

Because it seems to me that Michael was very likely murdered for it. For the money, for control and ownership of the catalogues, for the profit that could be made from his death. He was worth more dead than alive and various vultures that had surrounded him all his life knew that. This flock of ‘regulars’ suspiciously constellated in his life once again in the weeks before his murder and that 2002 will is highly suspect.

Those catalogs are worth billions (with a ‘B’) and $ony has been manipulating Michael to get at them for years. Incessantly. They rightfully belong to his children, not $ony. But with things as they stand now, his children will likely never have any ownership or control of them because they are apparently being stolen from them by $ony with John Branca’s help.


Just personally, I am not going to pay what could be his murderers for what they’ve done to him – in life, or death. And I’m not going to help them steal their father’s legacy from his children.


Are we trying to bring $ony down? Heck no. That’s impossible. It would be ludicrous to even try. But I’m not going to help them profit off of Michael’s murder – whether they are involved themselves or not. And I have no interest in whether they survive as an entity or not.


All Michael Jackson fans have the power to prevent $ony from profiting off of Michael’s death by simply not buying any MJ merchandise from them. And just in my own opinion, if they truly “love Michael Jackson” (the human being, not the commodity) they have not only the power, but the obligation to see that $ony does not profit off of his murder, particularly if there is any suspicion that they may have been involved in it. Based on Michael’s own comments through the years before he died, $ony’s rabid penchant to keep control of him and his catalogues over the years, the questionable circumstances in which Michael died, and the ethical issues with the will, it’s certainly possible.
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WHEN YOU BUY MICHAEL JACKSON MERCHANDISE FROM $ONY JUST BE AWARE . . .

You are being manipulated for profit! $ony and Branca/McClain are manipulating Michael’s fans – getting to their wallets and credit cards though their hearts – capitalizing on their grief about Michael’s death/murder to make profit for themselves. (themselves – not for the estate or the children, mind you).

I don’t know about you but I don’t like being manipulated. Especially by $ony – a sneaky, silent entity that abused and manipulated Michael for years behind the scenes. No matter WHAT John Branca says.

Let’s clarify something right now: John Branca speaks for John Branca and $ony, NOT Michael Jackson
. Michael Jackson is dead. And when he was alive, we saw and heard what Michael had to say about $ony. And it was a VERY different story.

I don’t care if “we’ll get” 2 CDs of his new unreleased music and some unreleased video footage and a game — or 7 CDs of new music or whatever. What “we get” is irrelevant. If it’s dripping in Michael Jackson’s blood, I don’t want it. I don’t care WHAT it is.

Distractions from ‘anonymous’ commenters on this site into discussion of such petty details is irrelevant and does not change the fact that Michael was very likely murdered for money and control of his catalogues. It does not change the fact that $ony corporation is the one entity profiting most from his death. It does not change the fact that his will and executors of the estate and the conflicts of interest inherent in them are very suspect. Nor does it change the fact that in the years before his death, he knew this might happen. It is evident in many quotes from him and events going on around him. These things can not and should not be ignored – if we indeed care about Michael Jackson the human being at all.

And NO it’s not going to hurt ‘other artiststo boycott $ony’s Michael Jackson merchandise. That makes no sense.

And NO it’s not going to hurt Katherine and the kids to boycott $ony’s Michael Jackson merchandise. They’ll get the same amount of $ each month regardless.

And NO it’s not going to hurt Michael’s legacy if we don’t buy blood-soaked Michael Jackson merchandise from $ony. His artistic legacy is written in HIStory and nothing will change it now. Nothing. In fact it might hurt his legacy more if we do buy from $ony. Why? Because one thing that could easily cheapen Michael’s golden image is to have $ony slapping his image on every item and his music in every venue possible for profit, no matter how cheesy.

In monetary and legal terms, Michael’s legacy is his back catalogue of master recordings. And John Branca is set to give $ony first dibs on that. Did it ever occur to anyone that this belongs to Michael’s children and it’s being stolen from them? Did it ever occur to anyone that by buying MJ-related merchandise from $ony that you are helping the entities who are stealing Michael’s legacy from his children? Hello. Pfft. Do you get it yet?

Refusing to buy MJ-related merchandise from $ony might hurt $ony/Branca/McClain’s collective ability to PROFIT
off of Michael’s death/murder. And so it should!
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You know sometimes, it’s got to be about more than what “we’ll get” for ourselves. A beautiful man who gave much to this World has been murdered for profit and control of his estate. His death was no ‘accident’. His will is extremely suspect. His children are orphans and all they have of their father is his legacy (music catalogues, personal items and profits therefrom) and that is being stolen from beneath them by $ony and their lawyers who are now executors of his estate. Where is the respect? Where is the care for him and his family and what rightfully belongs to his family, namely his children?Sometimes, people need to think about something beyond themselves and getting their next new CD or TV or fancy new outfit or whatever. We hesitate or refuse to buy stuff made in sweatshops or by slave labor. But many are clamoring to buy merchandise containing the music and likeness of a man who was murdered for money and profit, and to buy it from what may have been his murderers who are also apparently in the process of stealing his legacy from his children. Wow • Just • Wow . . .

That music could be released years from now by his children when they’re of age. But apparently many MJ fans would rather give blood money to the entity that possibly murdered him and are stealing his children’s legacy, so they don’t have to wait that long
. And as I’ve pointed out here, the justifications and excuses they use for doing this just don’t hold water.


I guess we should just ignore that, eh?

What WILL change if enough of Michael’s fans WIELD THEIR POWER of NOT buying MJ stuff from $ony – is the amount of PROFIT $ONY and John Branca/John McClain will make off of Michael’s death.


And THAT is what I would like to see minimized. Why? Because IMO Michael was murdered for it. For that MONEY. Those catalogs are worth billions (with a ‘b’) and $ony has been manipulating Michael to get at them for years. Incessantly.

Just personally, I am NOT going to pay what could be his murderers for what they’ve likely done.

Are we trying to bring $ony down? Hell no. That’s impossible. It would be ludicrous to even try.

BUT – Michael Jackson fans have THE POWER to see that $ony does not profit (or not as much at least) off of Michael’s death.


“Sony” didn’t want him leaving, owning a part of Sony. He was so excited when his contract was over….then he discovered his contract was “manipulated so he couldn’t leave when he believed he could. Branca was his lawyer @ the time.” (This person was a close friend of MJ for many years and knew how he felt about $ony)
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The estate and particularly Michael’s catalogues and all his unreleased music and concert footage should be placed in trust and control given to his children when they are adults. They are Michael’s family and that is who it rightfully belongs to, along with any subsequent profits. Not $ony and not John Branca et al. But interestingly, there is no provision for this in that old will that John Branca himself wrote … in which he is named executor of MJ’s estate and which he just happened to have a copy of after Michael died and which was allegedly signed by Michael in LA while Michael was in NYC that day.

NO. 1 + 1 does not equal 5. Since when does a lawyer who writes a will name himself the executor of the estate named in the will? My lawyer is not the executor of my estate. My mother’s lawyer is not the executor of her estate either. The thought would be ludicrous. Most lawyers I know would refuse to be put in such a position even if asked due to the ethical issues. How did Michael sign this document in LA when he was on the other side of the country that day? Should we ignore the seemingly obvious logistical and ethical problems with this?

I don’t think so.

Considering all this, do you see the problem yet? The potential ruse?

Even Michael’s dad, Joe, won’t go see Cirque de Soleil’s Michael Jackson shows – because once again, $ony will make a killing (pun intended) on royalties, since Cirque is allowed to use anything they chose out of the entire catalogue including unreleased material. $ony gets handsome royalties from that – for years. Even Joe knows. And on this, I agree with him.

Here’s a link to a website that might be helpful:
http://mjfansboycottsony.weebly.com/

ALSO, consider these quotes:As concerns Michael’s releasing other albums and songs via $ony after Invincible and Number Ones (when his contract with them was supposedly ended):Be aware too, that even after 2002 $ony could still release any of Michael’s previously-released music without his involvement. They had distribution rights. His attorney at the time, Peter Lopez, now (interestingly) dead, also asserted in 2007 that Michael had no new contracts with $ony or any record label nor did he intend to have. So there was little possibility that ‘MJ and $ony kissed and made up‘. But there was – as per usual with $ony – some manipulation going on in regards to Michael’s contract with them.

And John Branca just expanded and extended $ony’s distribution rights in his (not Michael’s) recent $250 million deal with them. And, he increased the percentage of royalties $ony receives. But not before ensuring that 10% of any profits ‘the estate‘ made would go to him and McClain, first. Section 9657 of California Probate Code reads: The personal representative shall not make profit by the increase, nor suffer loss by the decrease or destruction without his or her fault, of any part of the estate. Thus, this 10% profit these men have been allowed to make off of Michael’s estate seems to be a direct violation of this code.

Do I/we know all the facts surrounding Michael’s murder? No. And we may never know.

We do know that many, many things certainly don’t add up. And we do know who many of the vultures were who surrounded Michael over the years and how they were trying to manipulate and control him for money, and how some of them once again suspiciously castellated around him just before his death – seemingly ready to take control. Many, many questions are unanswered and those likely involved are tight-lipped about their bloody ruse. $ony in particular has often been the quiet manipulator behind the scenes in Michael’s life, their tentacles reaching into the smallest and most unsuspecting corners of his affairs, particularly his financial affairs.

Just remember, the cruellest lies are told in silence.

Those legal ‘powers that be‘ – the same ones who dealt such barbaric injustice to Michael in 1993 – 2005 are the now in charge of meting out justice in his murder. It’s pretty obvious therefore, that there will be no justice done in his murder.

And now, a second suspicious death in his circle. Mr. Peter Lopez, who was MJ’s lawyer until February, 2009 (apparently replaced with John Branca) has been found shot. Authorities are terming it a suicide but this is the second death in the group of people who surrounded Michael Jackson in the weeks and months before he died himself. What are they trying to hide? Did Lopez have or know something (such as Michael’s latest will) that those involved don’t want out there? What did Peter Lopez know about Michael Jackson’s last days and about this death and when did he know it? Was he slated to testify in Conrad Murray’s trial? Read the information at the first link I’ve provided in this paragraph. It corroborates what I’ve written above re: $ony. It confirms that Michael Jackson had no new contracts with $ony after 2002 nor did he have any intention of signing any new contracts with them. It also confirms that Michael never intended to tour again, as has been asserted before, and adds to the suspicion that Michael was somehow manipulated into the AEG/O2 deal.
DI,,Thank You for this post..:clapping::clapping:....wonderful...I agree with every word...:agree:
 
there's the other side of the fence, with people speculating he did not truly die. so this is a theory that has yet to be proven - for that matter, even if he did die. boycotting MJ products from Sony will not help his legacy. haters would be so happy to see that MJ music is not selling anymore. how sad would it be for his new CD to be a global flop?

for whatever it's worth:

http://www.actressarchives.com/news.php?id=3331

Monday, December 25, 2006
On Christmas Day, Michael Jackson went on a bit of shopping spree at Caesars Palace, perusing the casino's upscale stores. As fans spotted the King of Pop wandering the casino, the New York Post reports a "mini-riot" quickly broke out as fans spotted the King of Pop. A crowd of hundreds surrounded *****, who was trying not be noticed in dark pants, a white shirt and a black leather jacket. Three hotel security guards kept the fans back from *****. After 15 minutes of shopping at a Sony store, Michael Jackson headed to the back door and quietly slipped away from the crowds.

source may be tabloid, i don't know, but it's not speculating. it's stating a fact based on what people saw.
 
there are 2 important points that's being forgotten in this argument.

1. Although all of those above links, pages etc are very good in explaining the events happened during 2001-2002, they assume that the time stopped and nothing changed after that time period. However this is hugely incorrect.

If you listen to Michael's "Killer Thriller" speech he says that he needs to give them a best of with a new song and that would satisfy his current contract and he'll be a free agent. He did that with "Number Ones" which had the song "One More Chance".

After his contract was over Essential Michael Jackson, The Ultimate Collection, Visionary Box Set, Thriller 25 and King of Pop albums were released all with Sony. Between these the most relevant one is "Thriller 25" which was released in 2008, which had new songs, which had other artists, which was produced by Michael and Wil.i.am, which Michael participated in its promotion by giving interviews, which is released by Sony.

So like it hate it before Michael died, before Branca become an executor Michael was working with Sony doing/releasing projects with them.

Of course the relationship most probably wasn't all lovey dovey or he didn't want to be tied for long term but apparently if the project and the conditions were right he wasn't totally against working with Sony. (most probably due to Mottola no longer being there?)

2. The boycott that they are proposing is really flawed - not really well thought. See what they propose " just don’t buy anything they’re selling that is Michael Jackson-related." Let's play a game now, let's say "what if this boycott becomes successful and Michael Jackson fans do not buy a single copy of Michael Jackson related stuff that comes out of Sony".

- The albums/concert DVDs / games etc does not sell, they all become a flop. Media labels Michael Jackson as a fad that passed. (media will never report this fans success over boycotting sony based on a 2001 event) Michael's legacy is hurt.

- Sony loses the album costs and promotional costs.

- Any company seeing that the project will not be profitable, they cancel all the future MJ related projects. All the other companies seeing that MJ related projects do not sell , will not be interested in making any deals and releasing any stuff with the estate. (no company will think like ooh the fans are only protesting sony and they'll buy stuff from me - that's just too risky) In short companies do not release any MJ related projects as they are seen unprofitable, fans left without MJ.

- Estate is hurt financially. They have to return any advances, future projects being cancelled and other companies not willing to make agreements with them they can't earn any money to pay for the debts and/or to provide for the MJ's children in the future.

note: this wouldn't result in a change in executors as legally they are evaluated on the quality of the deals they make. How many copies an album is going to sell, how many people will come to see a show etc is non controllable events by the executors. so their position is solid as they got Michael the biggest deal in the music industry, no one can predict/gurantee how well or bad an album is going to sell and no one will be held responsible for it.

- Sony continues to be a big multinational company. Yes they might face some loses on MJ related projects due to the fan boycott but they will cut down that loses by cancelling the future projects. Additionally other artists, other products, other areas they operate will continue to bring them money and they will continue to be this giant company.

so the question is this , "if this boycott succeeds who are you really hurting?"

and let's go the he very first post the article and see this question
"even in 2002, Michael himself didn’t boycott Sony so why should we now?"

True. When the disagreements between Michael and Sony was at its peak at 2001-2002, Michael never said "don't buy invincible, don't buy my albums from Sony" and why would he? Yes Sony then, now and in the future earns money from Michael's music but so does Michael. and yes executors get a 10% share from the money Michael earns but the 90% of the money goes to the estate and his children and mother.


Everyone is going to make their own decision whether to boycott Sony or not. , I simply recommended thinking in detail before jumping on any side.

Thanks for this! Totally agree :yes:
 
Thank you DI. As usual, you are clear, precise and right on!

I am also concerned with this poll Gaiaschild. It is evident that there are forces who are doing an excellent job at dividing the fans, whether it's in blogdom, fb or twitter. It is just amazing to me that fans seem to be more interested in new releases, games and Cirque shows than they are in getting justice (in every respect) for Michael!
 
$ony is the one entity that has profited most from Michael’s murder.


$ony is the one entity that didn’t bother to show up at his memorial – even the public one – even after all the money they’ve made from his work through the years – Millions if not Billions of dollars. They showed him zero support during the trial in 2005 and they were nowhere to be seen when he died – until there was money to be made from his fans via sales due to their grief over his death, and then they were right there with their hands out.

I don't like this at all. And I don't know what to do, I have mix feelings about this.
But if you are boycotting MJ's music, I think you should do anything in your power to explain to the public outside, why you are doing this.

There are new MJ fans everyday, fans who buy all the albums, tunes and whatever they can. There are fans who are not even born yet!

So, I don't think this would make much difference, unless the state kiss goodbye sony forever, which is impossible in this moment.
 
Thank you DI. As usual, you are clear, precise and right on!

I am also concerned with this poll Gaiaschild. It is evident that there are forces who are doing an excellent job at dividing the fans, whether it's in blogdom, fb or twitter. It is just amazing to me that fans seem to be more interested in new releases, games and Cirque shows than they are in getting justice (in every respect) for Michael!


Great Post..I agree with every word..:clapping::clapping:
 


They like to pick their facts..........

1.) Boycotting only Sony released MJ (but buy other Sony) products is pointless.
Why?
a.) It won't hurt Sony one bit, they still make money from you.
b.) They still make money from Michael's back catalogue.
c.) And you think that MJ was the only one who was treated like this by music labels.


2.) And what about when the estate is given to Michael Kids when they reach 30 (or whatever age is stated on the will)

You would hope that the estate isn't still in debt.....because that gets carried onto Michaels Kids.


3.)
You are being manipulated for profit!

LOL.............How many businesses don't manipulate people for profit???

4.)
We hesitate or refuse to buy stuff made in sweatshops or by slave labor

Really...........I can't even find a clothes shop that doesn't sell products made by slave-labour!!!!!

5.)
That music could be released years from now by his children when they’re of age. But apparently many MJ fans would rather give blood money to the entity that possibly murdered him and are stealing his children’s legacy, so they don’t have to wait that long

Okie Dokie............and which music label will they sign up with????

It's not like the other music labels are better then Sony.......

They all screw up peoples careers and lives.




Oh wait...........Blood money?????.........Have people forgotten that the treasuries of all the rich countries were obtained from slavery, thievery and murder. The money you use is founded on these treasuries......All money is blood money!!!!
 
This is why the estate should have never signed with Sony, because it creates this impossible situation. Boycott Sony and boycotting MJ and hurting his legacy, children etc. Buy the album and you're accused of supporting killers.
Very clever.
 
Muzikfactory2's latest vid about boycotting Sony. It is very powerful IMO.






I personally can't think anything positive about Sony. MJ's speech is too vivid in my mind.
 
Yeah, SONY still, and always will, suck!!
They'll get nothing from me! The very thought of them making money from Michael's murder sickens me!
 
I wish the new album would be sold out in just hours after releasing it, that ppl need to wait for another press... Michael deserves that.
While releasing "Invincible" he didn't told us to boycott $ony, he wanted us to make "Invincible" visible, remember?
$ony $ucks, I am aware of this. But if I have to choose between letting them again earn millions using Michael and show the world, that Michael is still the King, I am choosing 2nd option.
IMO, in this situation there's no ideal solution, we all must make compromise - whatever we choose, we all do this, because we want the best for Michael. And that's why I can understand both: boycotting and buying $ony releases.
 
Thank you DI. As usual, you are clear, precise and right on!

I am also concerned with this poll Gaiaschild. It is evident that there are forces who are doing an excellent job at dividing the fans, whether it's in blogdom, fb or twitter. It is just amazing to me that fans seem to be more interested in new releases, games and Cirque shows than they are in getting justice (in every respect) for Michael!

To love someone as an icon and to love him as a human being prerequire two different levels of awareness.

Michael has millions of fans, but those who really knew about his life and accomplishments are significantly less.
I think the answer would be a very different book on Michael, written by the longtime lovers of his art and followers of his life: people who love him unconditionally, who have nothing to gain and everything to lose from his passing, and who have the in-depth knowledge of everything that was going on in Michael's life.
Newer generations of fans are clueless and need to be educated on the phenomenal artist and humanitarian. We can't expect these people to want to boycott Sony--many of them don't even know Michael was involved with Sony.

Our part here is to raise awareness by sharing Michael's amazing story with as many as possible. Blogs, forums, chats, newspapers, books, are excellent means for accessing the wider society and spreading the truth about Michael.
 
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yeh everyone has a right to do choose what they buy.. the thing which really troubled me was a website i saw which is quoted in this thread. it is filled with inaccuracies.. but the strangest thing was that it says it is ok to buy other artists' products from sony, just don't buy anything of michael's, download michael's new album illegally instead:-

In regards to efforts to ‘boycott’ or thwart $ony’s profiteering off of Michael Jackson’s death, I’ve seen some pretty ignorant statements against it. For instance:

“Oh noo! If we boycott $ony we can’t buy all this other music from these other artists and it will hurt these other artists too!”
Wrong.

Boycotting $ony’s sales of Michael Jackson merchandise and music means simply not buying anything they’re selling with Michael Jackson’s name, likeness, images, music, videos in or on it. It does not mean boycotting the work of other artists from them.

If you choose to boycott $ony due to the suspicious nature of Michael’s death and $ony’s treatment of Michael through the years – then just don’t buy anything they’re selling that is Michael Jackson-related. That doesn’t hurt ‘other artists‘.

well sorry but THAT is ignorant.. that is not boycotting sony then is it, that's just boycotting michael.

this won't hurt sony. all it will do is hurt michael's name.

And – yet another one:
“But – Boycotting $ony will hurt Katherine and the kids! That money is theirs!”
Wrong.

Profits go to $ony, John Branca, and John McClain

Katherine and the kids get a monthly allowance from the estate. That amount is the same each month. That won’t change no matter how much $ony sells of Michael’s unreleased music or other things with his name and likeness on it
no this website is wrong. yes katherine & the kids get a monthly allowance, it is not a bottomless pit of money - where do you think the money keeps coming in from?? michael left his music for his children and their children.. and so on. i don't care what anyone says, illegal downloading is stealing from his children, mother & charities.

Here’s another pretty ignorant statement:
“Oh but it’ll hurt his legacy if we don’t buy any more MJ stuff!”

Wrong.
sorry but I do not think that is so wrong. we know all eyes will be on this album - his first post death release. do they really want us all to boycott it? image everyone did that... the world sees all the excitement and expectation build, then it becomes an absolute flop and registers hardly anywhere on the charts..that creates the horrible headlines the newspapers will make.. in the vain of 'michael jackson flops', 'no one cares about michael jackson'.. 'fans desert him'.. 'legacy fading' - that won't be nice for any of the fans, OR for Michael's children.. especially now they are at school. and before ppl say MJ's children care more about their father than his music. of course they do, but i know for a FACT they also love his music and are proud of him, and i know they will be excited for his new music being released and will want him to be at number 1, where he deserves to be.

i am supporting Michael and buying the album.

i hope it get's to number one across the globe & the world sees that Michael is still King!

i will not give haters more ammunition for something that will not hurt sony at all, and will not make any difference to the situation.

ps. i didn't even mention that this boycott is based purely on the complete and utter speculation that Sony killed michael.
 
Rockin', agree with you all the way.

makes one wonder if there is a hidden agenda behind all that blogging because it's a boycott Michael ONLY campaign!!! and the logic is certainly flawed.
 
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