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morinen

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It sounds practically like a dream come true event. If someone can attend, please videotape it!
 

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Sounds like a great thing to attend.
 

jamba

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It sounds practically like a dream come true event. If someone can attend, please videotape it!

No cameras, cell phones, laptops, etc.allowed in the studio. I signed up for it but they need to get enough people to attend by May 2nd in order to actually hold this seminar, so I hope they can gather enough interested people--we'll see. Thanks for posting this.
 

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#1 shimmerysocks Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:17 PM
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Remembering a friend

Today marks the one year anniversary of his death. Over the course of the next few days you will likely hear his music, see news about his estate or kids, perhaps hear jokes and rumors. His enormous debt has apparently been lowered from $500M to $300M with income continuing to flow, thanks to the business team controlling his estate. According to Sony Music, 31 million of his albums have sold since he died. The movie "This Is It" grossed $260 worldwide. His videos will be in heavy rotation this weekend, and his lighthearted Captain Eo will continue to draw crowds at Disneyland and Epcot Center in Walt Disney World.

People are beginning to remember that beyond all the tabloid headlines, eccentricities and accusations was a remarkably talented guy who created a soundtrack for millions of people. He was an entertainer, plain and simple, on stage and off. He was also a good client, boss, and friend.

Many of you know that I worked with him on countless projects spanning some 18 years. I have had the opportunity to meet and work with many "famous" people, but none more interesting or polarizing than this man. When people learn that I worked with him for such a long period of time, they are understandably curious. Typically, the opening line is, "So, was he as weird as he seemed?". But I can't really blame them. The media did a great job of painting him in such a way that it seemed he rode around on a monkey carrying the Elephant Man bones in a backpack wearing pajamas on his way to a Boy Scout camp.

Recently an article was published by a friend of mine in the Huffinton Post. It went into great detail about how out of line the press was during his 2005 trial. The event became a global media circus, with soundbites and sensationalism taking the place of facts. When 14 jurors found him not-guilty, the story was over and the tents were packed up.

It is not my job to convince you that he was innocent or "normal." I can only share memories of working with him in the studio and at his home, known as Neverland Valley Ranch.

When I wrote the following article shortly after his death, I received countless notes of appreciation for introducing people to the artist that I knew. I will continue to write and compile these stories, as he was a truly unique individual, and he deeply impacted my life and career path.

If you can turn down the media madness for just a few minutes, I would like to tell you about a friend of mine that died a year ago. His name is Michael Jackson.

Gone Too Soon

In 1985 I got married, got my first job in a recording studio (Westlake Audio), and met one of the kindest young men I have ever known, Michael Jackson. Quite a year. To Brad and Michaeleven attempt to sum up a nearly 20 year working relationship and friendship with Michael in one article is impossible, but let me try to give you a glimpse into the incredible world I was privileged to be a part of.

Michael was working on Captain Eo for Disneyland and Epcot Center. He was fresh off the Victory Tour, the Thriller album, his dominance of MTV, and he was back in the studio. I wish I could remember our first meeting, but it was likely just passing each other in the hallway. He was always warm, yet shy. Over time we would chat now and then, but it took time to build the trust.

Around that same time he did an often forgotten album, The ET Storybook. This was when I met Quincy Jones and Bruce Swedien. Early in 1986 the team moved into Westlake Studio D in Hollywood to record the BAD album, and welcomed me in. I worked other sessions during the day, but at night I was invited to sit in and learn. Eventually I worked my way up to technical director for the team, and the trust was solidified. It was during this time that Michael nicknamed me "Really Really Brad," a twist on the chorus, "Bad, Bad, Really Really Bad." Check the album credits, it's there.

Over the next ten years I worked with Michael doing tour prep for the BAD tour in 1988, then back in the studio for the Dangerous album in Los Angeles, followed by the HIStory album in New York. Toss in countless music videos, the HIStory tour, the Moonwalker project, Blood On The Dance Floor album, and various side projects, and I got to know him pretty well.

So who was Michael Jackson, and why did he have such a profound effect on my life? Not for a moment do I pretend to have been a close friend of his, or a confidant. Rather I worked for him and with him, and considered it an honor.

He was a consummate professional. If his vocals were scheduled for a noon downbeat, he was there at 10 am, with his vocal coach Seth, singing scales. Yes, scales. I would set up the mic, check the equipment, make coffee, and all the while he would sing scales for two hours.

He typically drove himself to the studio alone. For a while he drove a big Ford Bronco with dents and scrapes on it. He was not a great driver. More than once he called into the studio to say he would be late after being in a fender bender.

He was intensely curious about "normal life." He asked me about Christmas once, and couldn't understand how kids could wait until Christmas morning to open the gifts. You see, he was raised Jehovah's Witness, so Christmas was not celebrated in the Jackson family.

Since I was so close to this world, let me try to give you some insight. A "typical" MJ album would take between 10 and 16 months in the studio. His budget allowed for as many as 100 songs to be recorded for any given project. Some would be discarded early on, while others were fine tuned. Musicians would be brought in to add their textures and ideas, but in the center of it all was Michael. The team was remarkably small given the scope of the projects. Each project was slightly different, but typically there were less then eight of us working day to day, from the first day until the project was mastered. No entourage. No Elephant Man bones. No groupies. No drugs. Just music. And food.

During the BAD album, Fridays quickly became known as "family day." He would have his two chefs, affectionately known as the Slam Dunk Sisters, prepare a large dinner for the crew, musicians and any family members that might be around. Since I was working sometimes 80 hours a week, it was not uncommon for Deb to come have dinner with us. Michael loved these family get togethers. In later projects I would bring my girls, whom he loved and would play with. There is one moment in time in my head when Deb brought my daughter Amanda, who was just a baby at the time, into the studio for the afternoon. She set up a play mat and brought some toys, and Michael sat and played with her for a while. He looked at Deb and said, "This is her own little world, isn't it?"



Brad and MJ playing Jenga


When you work in this environment, your sense of normal begins to shift. It was not uncommon for celebrities or VIPs to stop in. One day the Secret Service searched the building for a couple hours before Nancy Reagan came for a visit. Next it was Princess Stephanie from Monaco. (She has a cameo on the song "In The Closet.") The chimps were common guests in the studio, as was a giant snake, both of which I would wind up holding during MJ's vocals. Michael loved mixing fun and work, but work always came first.

I have watched him write many songs, and the process is amazing. I asked him where they came from, and he said they were gifts from God. He could hear the entire song in his head before we could get tape on the machines. He would sometimes sing the drums, bass, percussion, keyboards, etc., and we would later bring in musicians to replace his demo tracks.

His lounge would be decorated with Disney posters and old Hollywood memorabilia. He loved innocence, and displayed gentleness, humor and patience.

This driving work ethic also had to escape from time to time. There were many days we would show up at the studio, only to find he had flown to Europe or Japan for a few days, and neglected to tell us. This sometimes meant an unscheduled few days off for us, which was awesome.

There were however memories that he would sometimes share about the endless travel and work schedule when he was just a boy. I remember him telling me about grown women throwing themselves at him when he was just 9 or 10 years old. One story I will never forget was him telling of flying with his dad and brothers through a lightening storm at night. The plane was being tossed around, lightening was flashing, and he started crying in fear. His dad ignored him, embarrassed. A flight attendant sat with until the plane cleared the storm. Hearing him tell that story, with tears in his eyes, gave a glimpse into his life.

There are few people I have worked so closely with for so long than Michael Jackson. There were many months when I spent more time with him than I did my own wife. Somewhere around 1991 he asked me to visit a ranch he had purchased, and design a sound system for a carousel. The next thing I knew I was at Neverland Valley Ranch, in Santa Ynez, CA. There was construction everywhere, and the amusement park was in the early stages of installation. Over the next few years Michael asked me to build system after system, putting music on the bumper cars, in the petting zoo, on two trains, all around the amusement park, the boat lake, the train stations, and eventually inside the house, and inside his bedroom and bathroom. Deb loves to tell of the times Michael would call at 2 in the morning (his sleep schedule was never normal) to talk to me about a new attraction he had coming to Neverland, and if I would put music on it. I still have an old answering machine tape of him thanking me for one of the systems we had built.

Michael had very little patience when it came to new rides. When the second train was ordered for the ranch, we were flown to Ohio to install the lights and music before it was trucked to California. That way, as soon as it rolled off the truck onto the track it was ready for Michael. He lived for those moments!

In it's day, Neverland Valley was one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. He loved that ranch. He could act like a kid, drive golf carts, throw water balloons and just have fun. Week after week the buses would roll in, bringing inner city kids, Make A Wish kids, friends and families. I have been there with sick kids whose dying wish was to spend a day with Michael.

As Neverland grew, I got the bug to continue building systems, and eased out of the recording studio. Soon I was working for Elizabeth Taylor, building a massive outdoor music system for her, followed by my good friend Quincy Jones.

This was the Michael I knew. Innocent, perhaps child-like at times, but not childish. A professional who worked to be the best performer in the world, yet knew how to have fun. If he was comfortable, he would laugh and joke with everyone, but if someone was there that made him uncomfortable, he would disappear.

We used to say there were two Michaels: the one we worked with, and the one who went on stage in front of 100,000 people and entertained them. There have always been singers and dancers, but Michael was in a class by himself. I have been to perhaps 12 of his concerts (my daughter Amanda was on stage with him in Paris with several other kids singing "Heal The World"), and there is really no one that comes close to his level of artistry.



Yes, there were allegations. No, I don't believe them.

Yes, he changed his color and facial shape. No, I really don't care.

I have worked with plenty of normal looking people who thrive on pain and anger. I'll take a guy who might be abnormal looking and eccentric yet shows kindness, love, generosity, patience, humor and humility any day of the week. I could write page after page of simple acts of kindness I have seen firsthand.

But the eccentricities increased.

The last time I spoke with Michael was around 2003. He wanted some additional work done at the ranch, but clearly things had changed. It was an awkward conversation between us, with me declining to do the work for what he was offering. Then he drove away in a golf cart. As I walked to my car, I knew it was the last time I would ever see him. I remember looking across the valley with the amusement park well past it's prime, the grass not as green as it once was, and Michael driving over the bridge back to his house. I was a long way from that hallway in a studio where we first met nearly 20 years before.

But I would not trade a minute of it.

Thank you Michael, for letting me be a small part of your world. You have taught me more than you will ever know. Your friendship and trust is something I will always cherish. Rest in peace my friend.

Brad.

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Petrarose

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I live in New York City, but unfortunately I will be London at that time. Maybe if other New York fans know about it they will go. Sometimes fans are not aware of what is going on.
 

paisleyCUTtop

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The series will also travel to Paris, France later this year
 

mysterygirl7

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I live in New York City, but unfortunately I will be London at that time. Maybe if other New York fans know about it they will go. Sometimes fans are not aware of what is going on.

Argh how unlucky can you be.. this event truly sounds amazing!!
 

PaceMioDolceCuore

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No cameras, cell phones, laptops, etc.allowed in the studio. I signed up for it but they need to get enough people to attend by May 2nd in order to actually hold this seminar, so I hope they can gather enough interested people--we'll see. Thanks for posting this.

If it happens - please share what you learned, Jamba?

I live in New York City, but unfortunately I will be London at that time. Maybe if other New York fans know about it they will go. Sometimes fans are not aware of what is going on.
Bummer!

You're right - hopefully NYC folks can gather more interested people. I mean, between the Julliard students and the MJ fans - there should be a crowd!
 

paisleyCUTtop

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any other MJJCers from here going to attend, or planning to anyway?
 

jamba

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Pace,MioDolceCuore--If it happens - please share what you learned, Jamba?


Yes, for sure I will!
 

paisleyCUTtop

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Hmmm I really hope more tickets sell soon... Are any other of you visiting this thread planning on going?
 

morinen

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A great 3-hour long interview with Brad Sundberg about Michael:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-plac...06/07/brad-sunberg-in-the-studio-with-michael

He tells quite a few cute stories about Michael in the studio, and very heartwarming things about Neverland and Michael's goal to help children.

Some tidbits I tweeted while I was listening:

Brad said he was at the Dangerous plagiarism hearing in 1994 and that MJ testified and totally won the jury over w/ his humor and honesty.
Brad also said that Michael was insatiably curious and asked everyone about everything.
He said that there were "3 Michaels": the cool guy in the studio, the incredible performer and the brilliant businessman.
Brad also said MJ loved to ride in the golfcarts in the darkness of night in Neverland with guests, and he had a special button in the cart and when he hit that button in moment X, all lights in Neverland - in trees and everywhere would light up at the same time - breathtaking.
He said Michael was all about the timing and the show.
Brad said that Michael was extremely generous with his time for sick kids at Neverland. He not only built a fantasy world for them, but he was in a middle of it himself. Brad said he had enormous respect for that.
He told a story how Michael liked to sample super-hot chicken wings they cooked in the studio.
Brad said Michael loved Filet-O-Fish with two fish patties from McDonalds. It was his guilty pleasure.
Brad also said that Michael really knew how to thank people, his level of gratitude for contributions of others was exceptional.
"There are just people you want to be around. There is genuineness you don't encounter very often." - Brad Sundberg about MJ
 
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Silouette

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Amazing. The story tidbits. Thanks so much for posting. :)

This seminar sounds like it will be an amazing event.
Imagine, learning of and experiencing Michael's creative ventures thru Brads' eyes.


Michael Jackson....a real musical genius.
 

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A great 3-hour long interview with Brad Sundberg about Michael:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-plac...06/07/brad-sunberg-in-the-studio-with-michael

He tells quite a few cute stories about Michael in the studio, and very heartwarming things about Neverland and Michael's goal to help children.

Some tidbits I tweeted while I was listening:

Brad said he was at the Dangerous plagiarism hearing in 1994 and that MJ testified and totally won the jury over w/ his humor and honesty.
Brad also said that Michael was insatiably curious and asked everyone about everything.
He said that there were "3 Michaels": the cool guy in the studio, the incredible performer and the brilliant businessman.
Brad also said MJ loved to ride in the golfcarts in the darkness of night in Neverland with guests, and he had a special button in the cart and when he hit that button in moment X, all lights in Neverland - in trees and everywhere would light up at the same time - breathtaking.
He said Michael was all about the timing and the show.
Brad said that Michael was extremely generous with his time for sick kids at Neverland. He not only built a fantasy world for them, but he was in a middle of it himself. Brad said he had enormous respect for that.
He told a story how Michael liked to sample super-hot chicken wings they cooked in the studio.
Brad said Michael loved Filet-O-Fish with two fish patties from McDonalds. It was his guilty pleasure.
Brad also said that Michael really knew how to thank people, his level of gratitude for contributions of others was exceptional.
"There are just people you want to be around. There is genuineness you don't encounter very often." - Brad Sundberg about MJ

Amazing indeed. Thank you.
 

MJ*PP

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Thank you morinen. Glad you shared that.
Is he coming to Paris btw, you guys know? Id take the train to listen to these stories myself too:girl_sigh:
 

morinen

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Yes, he is coming to Paris in October. Tickets are already on sale.
 

MikeFann

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This seminar that Brad Sundberg is hosting seems like one I really should be attending; however, it is not to be. I kindly ask anyone who is attending to please memorize and share what you've heard, if possible.

Please? :)
 

MJ*PP

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The link in the first post isnt the one forParis I see, any idea where to get tix to that one?
 

peace.love.mj

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I went today!
You guys...my god I can't even put into words. I just got home from the city and will write something up tomorrow if you want but I just...I'm still completely in awe and living on cloud 9. If you have the opportunity to go, PLEASE DO IT. I will look at Michael differently for the rest of my life. It was so stunningly beautiful. I'm still in shock that it all even happened. Wow.
 

jamba

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I went as well and will write up my impressions tomorrow, although I may be repeating what peace.love.mj will say!!

One tidbit for now--Brad said that the dance tracks, like Smooth Criminal, Bad, TWYMMF were sped up 5-6% on the released tracks from what was done in the studio. He played a few demos at the unspeeded up pace and they sounded different, clearer--some people there liked the slower-paced versions better. Interesting!!!

Another short tidbit--he played parts of a 2 hour recording of MJ and Bill Bottrell creating Give In to Me--it was so amazing b/c the song--the music and lyrics--slowly emerged from the experimental sounds of Bill's guitar and MJ's singing, and you could hear it taking form piece by piece. WOW!!!!!

Final tidbit--the name 'rubba' was a word MJ used in the studio: "We need more rubba." Brad said rubba usually meant more bass--like a rubber band, the bass strings, but it could also mean more synth. More later!

ok, one more tidbit--MJ liked cherry flavored chapstick and one time Brad was going to Neverland, and he took MJ some cherry chapstick, and when he got there he gave it to him, and MJ said, 'That's the nicest thing anyone has ever done for me." And Brad said, "Come on, it's just chapstick. But MJ said, "No, I really mean it. I am really grateful." Brad said this was just how MJ was--so appreciative. He said MJ was "the kindest man I ever met." AWWWWWW.
 
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peace.love.mj

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^Hey Jamba! Did you go Saturday? We didn't get the little chapstick tidbit today :)
The TWYMMF thing. Blew my MIND.
and the 2 hour tape was actually Give In To Me ;) my favorite part was how you could hear Michael SMACKING his gum throughout the whole thing. Hilarious. Just experiencing and hearing that creative process first hand was something else.
The end though. Absolutely my favorite part. I can't get it out of my head. So stunning. Incredible.
 

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I went today!
You guys...my god I can't even put into words. I just got home from the city and will write something up tomorrow if you want but I just...I'm still completely in awe and living on cloud 9. If you have the opportunity to go, PLEASE DO IT. I will look at Michael differently for the rest of my life. It was so stunningly beautiful. I'm still in shock that it all even happened. Wow.

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jamba

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Hi, peace.love.mj. Yes, I went Saturday. Did you do the VIP? He ended with "Faces" on Saturday--was that the same as for you guys?

Yes, you are right it was GITM--my mistake--I am pretty tired as it was a long day yesterday and I was busy Sunday. I will post more stuff tomorrow and I hope I get it right (!). Good you caught that, thanks. Yes, the gum smacking was funny as hell and very cute.
 

peace.love.mj

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Jamba! I didn't. Wish I could have :/ Did you?
Sunday he just ended with Childhood and the phone message. We were already 45 minutes over though and he wanted time for pictures and greetings and questions and all that fun stuff.
The lady next to me took TONS of notes that she's emailing me so hopefully she'll let me share some of them here. As attentive as I was, I'm sure there's still things that I'll forget. But, I will be back later today to post some more :)
 

Dilan

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Why was recording not allowed? How will the rest of the world get to hear the audio mentioned, does brad plan to release them?
 

peace.love.mj

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I can understand why he didn't allow recording...it was VERY unique and valuable stuff.
He's writing a book, said it should be out in 2/3 years.
 
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jamba

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Jamba! I didn't. Wish I could have :/ Did you?
Sunday he just ended with Childhood and the phone message. We were already 45 minutes over though and he wanted time for pictures and greetings and questions and all that fun stuff.
The lady next to me took TONS of notes that she's emailing me so hopefully she'll let me share some of them here. As attentive as I was, I'm sure there's still things that I'll forget. But, I will be back later today to post some more :)

Yes, I did the VIP--splurged! So for us after he ended with Childhood and the phone message, we had MJ's favorite meal, which they had at the studio on Fridays, which was also family day when the staff could bring their wives, kids. So the food was roast turkey, mashed potatoes, collard greens, corn, gravy, mac n cheese, fried chicken, and for desert--banana cream pie. This was made in the studio by the "slam dunk sisters"--MJ's very cute name for the 2 women who put the meal together. So we ate that with Brad--I was so hungry since I had only had a bagel all day! We looked at photos of NL and then ended with listening to an unreleased song called "Faces" (according to some peple there who had heard it before). It reminded me of MLK's "I have a dream" speech--very inspirational words from MJ about how the world is going to change for the better and after the speech, it went into a song. That's the first time I heard it (I think). I am going to post my recollections in a while.
 

jamba

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Some memories of Brad Sundberg's 'In the Studio with MJ'

Brad was with MJ for these albums--Bad, Dangerous, HIStory--and he also worked on NL wiring the place up for "orchestral quality" music. He is 49 and as a kid loved disco, Abba, and dance music. He is Swedish, and so is Bruce Swedien, and so they had that in common. They also live close to each otther in Florida. Brad has 4 daughters and one of them, Amanda, was with him during the seminar. MJ played with Amanda when she was a baby, and Amanda was at NL and rode the train with MJ the first time it was launched, and was also on stage with him for We Are the World finales.

Brad first worked at Westlake Studios as a runner--doing errands--getting hamburgers, etc., and later became part of the team as a studio engineer. Brad was a good friend of Matt Forger and later Bill Bottrell. He played a tape of Don't Stop with a focus on the bottles half-filled with water--the drums and bottles form the beat. MJ 'played' the bottles--he said MJ was "an amazing percussionist." It was great to hear how Brad could isolate the sounds, kind of peel back the other sounds to highlight the sounds he wanted us to hear--like the bottles used as percussion for Don't Stop, sounds that sometimes get lost in the total effect of the song.

He talked about the band members of Toto, which he said was an 'awesome band' and that MJ and Q loved them, esp. Steve Pocaro, who wrote Human Nature and also For All Time. Sadly, Steve's brother Jeff, who was the drummer, died later.

Brad talked about Captain EO (1985) (Francis Ford Cuppola and George Lucas). He said for the dancers and choreographers, different versions of the music would be made so they could focus on the dance steps and the beat. He said at that time there was "Dolby surround sound," which later became "Dolby Digital sound." He said Captain Eo was "the first discrete surround sound movie ever made." This was before the technology moved to Dolby Digital sound.

He played Scared of the Moon--that was so beautiful. The studio had great speakers and excellent sound quality so you could really hear the music and all the depth of it. He talked about the multitrack tape. I am not up on this, but I started to understand it a bit more. The very thick band of tape with the different tracks on it--I think there were 16 tracks at the time. Brad was an assistant engineer for Bruce Swedien during the day and at night he would sit in on 'Bad" being recorded.

He said the Hayvenhurst studio (team B) where MJ would work with people like John Barnes (Liberian Girl), Matt Forger, Bruce Swedien, and Bill Bottrell (I hope I have the names right)--was in his opinion a 'terrible studio'--he said they spent 80% of the time fixing something.

He said MJ was always cold and needed quartz heaters--maybe also the warmth was good for his voice. He said they always had to have the quatrtz heaters on. He also liked to have hot water, which they would heat in the microwave.

As far as the sound--he said MJ liked the sound LOUD--"jet engine loud." They would blow out speakers all the time, he said.

He said MJ was very congenial and if he didn't like someone, he would just disappear, go into his lounge. The team they developed was a group of people who got along well together, and that was as important as how good you were at your work. The team had to 'jell'-- be happy together--and be organic. He used that word 'organic' to describe how the music was created.

ok, more later.
 
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jamba

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More recollections from the seminar with Brad:

Brad said MJ had his own language--like "smelly jelly." (I think we knew about that :))

He said MJ had long bony fingers and could make amazing finger snaps and could do it forever--his fingers never got tired.

About "Streetwalker"--Brad said Quincy Jones HATED "Streetwalker" but he and Dileo loved "Another Part of Me." So MJ hired another studio (studio C) at Westlake Studio and hired another engineer (a Brazilian guy called Humberto ? didn't get his last name) to work on Streetwalker (this was in 87?). He said MJ was very competitive and wanted the best so he would get people to compete with each other--this happened a lot when they worked on Dangerous, when he had 3 different producers--Teddy Riley, Bill Bottrell, and Bruce Swedien. And all of them wanted THEIR songs on the album.

IJCSLY--pillow talk. Brad said the opening where MJ talks to a girl about how much he loves her was mocked by DJ's. He said to get the "pillow talk" someone actually designed a head (made a head) it looked like a robot's head, and put it in the bed with MJ and he talked to it (??). Don't know if this is true but this is what Brad said! He also said there were about 8 or 9 versions of the Bad album because every time a single was released it was a new mix and then incorporated into a new version of the album. Interesting!!

He said when the songs were performed with a live band on tour, the songs were 30% faster and 2 keys lower to save MJ's voice.

When they were in Pensacola, FL, rehearsing for the Bad tour, MJ recorded a 4-part harmony for the opening of the song TWYMMF in his HOTEL ROOM! Brad said they had a trailer with the studio equipment parked close to the hotel and ran a wire up the outside of the hotel to MJ's room. (doooo-do, doooo-do).

Here's how Brad characterized the 3 production teams for Dangerous:

1) Teddy Riley--" a revolving door of women." LOL (Teddy replaced a guy who was there previously called Brian X (?) who worked on song that became part of Ghosts).
2) Bruce Swedien--"a scientist' who 'did everything by the book" very organized.
3) Bill Bottrell--moody, disillusioned with the music industry, independent. (he said Bill B.and Bruce S. were opposites in temperament and hated each other !). Bill sounded kind of spontaneous and hippie-like vs. the very organized and scientific Bruce Swedien. Brad used to like to hang out with Bill B.

Then Brad played the creation of Give In to Me, which happened when Bill B.played the guitar and worked with the gum-cracking MJ to put the song together over a 2 hour period. It was very exciting and fascinating to hear the song and the lyrics develop as they worked together. This is also where the word ORGANIC appeared; in Brad's estimation this was v.important to how the music was born. You can hear MJ finding the song lines, the sounds he wanted, and how he asked Bill to shape the guitar chords he was playing (similar to how he directed Michael Bearden in TII when he was telling him to play a simple chord opening to TWYMMF). I think here too in this part we saw how important the word PLAY was to MJ--to play with the music in a fun way and enjoy the creative process.

BTW, Brad really respected Quincy as a musician and said the album Back on the Block was brilliant. He said he thought Q. did not like some songs that MJ liked, such as Billie Jean, because Q. thought that musically they were too simple.(But MJ liked that simplicity IMO.)

to be cont.
 

morinen

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Thank you guys for the notes! It's priceless. I'm grateful for every bit.

Brian X (?) would be Brian Loren?

Bill Bottrell--moody, disillusioned with the music industry, independent. (he said Bill B.and Bruce S. were opposites in temperament and hated each other !). Bill sounded kind of spontaneous and hippie-like vs. the very organized and scientific Bruce Swedien.

Oh now I see who Bottrell meant in that quote in J. Vogel's book where he said that "unlike some other producers of MJ at the time" he tried to keep rawer, more natural sound of Michael's vocals. Interesting.

Damn, I should have bought tickets to NYC instead of Vegas.
 
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Speechless09

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Thank you everyone for your notes from this seminar.:flowers:
 

maviefly

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Thank you so much for your notes, I wish I could attend the seminar in Paris.

He said to get the "pillow talk" someone actually designed a head (made a head) it looked like a robot's head, and put it in the bed with MJ and he talked to it (??). Don't know if this is true but this is what Brad said!

Maybe Brad is talking about this special kind of sound system, called the 'Holophonics', constructed by Hugo Zuccarelli:



 

TarinJade

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Thank you so much for your notes, I wish I could attend the seminar in Paris.
Maybe Brad is talking about this special kind of sound system, called the 'Holophonics', constructed by Hugo Zuccarelli:

Yes, I believe Brad was calling it "a Zuccarelli head" now that I think about it. It was a "something" head.
 

AlwaysThere

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They played.

An unreleased song.

Someone tell me about it!!!!!!!!!!
 

thiron

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They played.

An unreleased song.

Someone tell me about it!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed!

Please tell us more about this song. From which era? What style (the description sounds like it's a bit similar to MITM or KTF)? How cool was it?
 

Dilan

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Does anyone know the unreleased songs name?
 

peace.love.mj

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Just wrote 11 pages of notes that I'll start uploading once they scan in :)
 

peace.love.mj

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deleted my notes...you guys gotta just go for yourselves now ;)
 
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MikeFann

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One tidbit for now--Brad said that the dance tracks, like Smooth Criminal, Bad, TWYMMF were sped up 5-6% on the released tracks from what was done in the studio. He played a few demos at the unspeeded up pace and they sounded different, clearer--some people there liked the slower-paced versions better. Interesting!!!

Final tidbit--the name 'rubba' was a word MJ used in the studio: "We need more rubba." Brad said rubba usually meant more bass--like a rubber band, the bass strings, but it could also mean more synth. More later!

I'm glad the people who were able to go to this seminar learned new information about MJ and the creative process behind his albums. I glad you were also able to hear demos of some of his dance tracks. Were one of the original paced demos "Bad"? If so, how different did it sound from the released track? What other demos did he play?

Ah, so THAT'S what "rubba" is! I was wondering what that was.
 

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Thank you guys for the notes! It's priceless. I'm grateful for every bit.

Brian X (?) would be Brian Loren?



Oh now I see who Bottrell meant in that quote in J. Vogel's book where he said that "unlike some other producers of MJ at the time" he tried to keep rawer, more natural sound of Michael's vocals. Interesting.

Damn, I should have bought tickets to NYC instead of Vegas.

Yes, it must be Brian Loren. Brad said he was replaced by Teddy Riley. Maybe Brian didn't fit in somehow with the 'Team." He did some work that became the songs in Ghosts, but Brad didn't go into details.

Peace.Love.MJ gives more details about Bill Bottrell and how he liked to drink beer--Corona. Very different from Bruce Swedien "the scientist." Brad would go from office to office (but not much to Teddy R.) but he would go between Bruce S. and Bill B.'s offices, but he was more comfortable with Bill.
 

jamba

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I'm glad the people who were able to go to this seminar learned new information about MJ and the creative process behind his albums. I glad you were also able to hear demos of some of his dance tracks. Were one of the original paced demos "Bad"? If so, how different did it sound from the released track? What other demos did he play?

Ah, so THAT'S what "rubba" is! I was wondering what that was.

Yes, I was very interested in the meaning of 'rubba'--in fact, Brad put on screen a panel of tracks where you could mute one or more of the tracks so you could isolate the sounds--just hear the vocals, the drums, the horns, or whatever. At the end of the panel, which had 14 tracks, were 'rubba L' and 'rubba R' (2 rubba panels). In this case, Brad said rubba meant the synth (the song was "Bad") but it usually meant the bass. I was so interested b/c the media tried to make the nickname 'rubba' into something sexual--it wasn't!!!

I didn't get enough of a feel for the slower pace to make a choice between it and the released versions--but the vocals on the slower paced version were clearer and less 'tinny'--someone said the vocals were sped up too much and sounded like the Chipmunks at times--too fast. It would be good to listen to a whole song at the slower pace but we just heard snippets. I think the ones we heard were TMYMMF--maybe 'Bad' too and Smooth Criminal (but I can't say for sure, sorry-- maybe peace,love.mj can say). Some people liked the slower pace version better--I would need more time to listen but definitely the vocals were better IMO.
 
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jamba

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Agreed!

Please tell us more about this song. From which era? What style (the description sounds like it's a bit similar to MITM or KTF)? How cool was it?

The song Brad played at the very end of the VIP session on Saturday was a song someone said was called 'Faces." It actually made me rather sad b/c it was this very inspirational speech that started the song that, as I said, reminded me of MLK's I Have a Dream speech--all about how things can be better in the future. I felt sad b/c I feel things have not changed the way MJ wanted them to. I'm sorry I can't remember specific lines--I was pretty tired and brain-dead by then (seminar was from noon to 8 pm!! only short breaks), but it was about having peace, no war, love, that kind of thing. It was a beautiful song--I wanted to research it and see if there is a song called "Faces" on the internet, but have not had time. But since some people in the seminar had heard it before and identified it as "Faces" it must be out there somewhere. Brad said he did not think anyone had heard it before. I felt sad b/c MJ tried so hard to 'change the world' but sometimes I feel pessemistic about the future and where we are headed. As MJ sang in Earth Song--'I used to dream, I used to glance beyond the stars, now I don't know where we are, although I know, we've drifted FAR!" So this song "Faces" was waaaay more idealistic, whereas Earth Song is waaay more realistic and confronting the damage and loss--and asking "Do you give a damn."

"Faces" was very beautiful and very cool--but to me, it was sad. I am not sure of when it was recorded or written.
 

jamba

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Thank you so much for your notes, I wish I could attend the seminar in Paris.



Maybe Brad is talking about this special kind of sound system, called the 'Holophonics', constructed by Hugo Zuccarelli:




Yes, I remember that name Zuccarelli--but the photo he showed us was without the covering --it was a plainer head without the cloth around it. I don't know how MJ kept a straight face if he had to say those lyrics to that head (either one)--LOL.
 

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jamba

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Some more recollection from the seminar:

Brad said MJ was insatiably curious. He was especially curious about Christmas and kept asking Brad about it--what was Christmas like? How could you NOT open the presents? MJ said he would want to open them right away.

On 'Keep the Faith'--Mj's voice cracked. Peace.Love. MJ wrote up a great account of this in her/his notes. Brad talked about how upset MJ was that his voice had changed and he couldn't hit the high notes (he was sobbing) but later came back and sang it after they reset it to a lower key. Brad said he "crunched the Dolby's" :)--meaning he sang with such force that the Dolby sound system couldn't handle it--at 4:07 in the song.

Brad talked about what producers worked on what songs--Bill Bottrell--Monkey Business, Black or White, Who Is It, Give In To Me. Bruce Swedien worked on 'Time Marches On" which became JAM when Teddy Riley worked on it. Teddy did She Drives Me Wild. Brad said he didn't like it b/c it had no melody but then MJ came along with the vocals and 'dropped the melody" on the song. He said Black Street became Best of Joy under Teddy R.

In 1992 Brad started working on NL putting music on the carousels and the trains. I will get into that more later.

In the late 90's a lot of studios closed, end of the disco era. MJ came to NYC to work at the Hit Factory (421 West 54th Street). Brad is not happy that the Hit Factory is no more and is now converted into apartments! Brad spoke about how the Andrae Crouch Choir was flown out to NYC to work on songs and showed a clip of them rehearsing (I thought it was for TDCAU, but I don't see that they were singing on the final version of that--there is a children's choir instead listed). Brad showed a video of the huge string section that was used for the opening section of Earth Song (the part in the video before the bulldozer appears)--Jeremy Lubbock conducted thr NY Philharmonic Orchestra. This was also used (I think) for Smile and Childhood--we saw clips of these rehearsals/recordings too. Brad mentioned Steven Foster but I didn't catch what he did regarding this. MJ also recorded a Christmas Song with a children's choir and he had a lot of props to make it look like Christmas, with Brad in a Santa Suit! also a tree, fake snow, and so on. He gave the kids a gameboy as a gift (a special treat at that time). MJ loved Home Alone and the song "Christmas Star."

Brad talked a bit about creative people and how they are not necessarily practical with mechanical things--for example, he said Quincy could not drive a car. He said MJ could, but he was a terrible driver!

Brad ended the seminar for all except the VIP people with a tape of MJ recording Childhood in a booth while the orchestra played outside. It was a black and white video and was truly amazing to see MJ's intensity as he sang this song--he poured his full energy and heart into it--all out. And, as peace.love.mj says in her/his wonderful notes, he made fists like YEAH!!!! when he heard the orchestra come in and do a great job! He was 'over the moon' with joy that his vision of the song was being realized.

I will wrap up my notes later with what happened when Brad talked about NL.
 

MikeFann

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Yes, I was very interested in the meaning of 'rubba'--in fact, Brad put on screen a panel of tracks where you could mute one or more of the tracks so you could isolate the sounds--just hear the vocals, the drums, the horns, or whatever. At the end of the panel, which had 14 tracks, were 'rubba L' and 'rubba R' (2 rubba panels). In this case, Brad said rubba meant the synth (the song was possibly "Bad" or maybe Smooth Criminal--sorry I am not sure, in my notes I wrote Smooth Criminal) but it usually meant the bass.

Wait a minute. I think I know what sound (or 'rubba') from the song "Bad" (if it was "Bad") you're talking about. There's a sound that plays in both channels at the same time and if you were to, say, remove a headphone as you were listening to it or if one speaker was out, it kinda gives the song a different feel.

Maybe one day, Brad might can post these snippets (if not the whole song) online one day. :) According to Peace's notes, they played a 14 minute recording demo of "Bad" and a working demo of "Bad". I'd really love to hear them one day.
 

jamba

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Wait a minute. I think I know what sound (or 'rubba') from the song "Bad" (if it was "Bad") you're talking about. There's a sound that plays in both channels at the same time and if you were to, say, remove a headphone as you were listening to it or if one speaker was out, it kinda gives the song a different feel.

Maybe one day, Brad might can post these snippets (if not the whole song) online one day. :) According to Peace's notes, they played a 14 minute recording demo of "Bad" and a working demo of "Bad". I'd really love to hear them one day.

Yes, Peace says it was Bad and so I must have made a mistake in my notes. The last 2 panels of the 14 panels were marked rubba L and rubba R (synth). I can email Brad and try to see if he can tell us more about rubba, but I did ask him about it one-on-one during a break and he said it usually meant bass but on that screen we looked at it was synth. So I asked why rubba for the bass sound? and he said it was rubba like a rubber band--the bass strings were twanging/snapping like a rubber band?
 

MikeFann

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Yes, Peace says it was Bad and so I must have made a mistake in my notes. The last 2 panels of the 14 panels were marked rubba L and rubba R (synth). I can email Brad and try to see if he can tell us more about rubba, but I did ask him about it one-on-one during a break and he said it usually meant bass but on that screen we looked at it was synth. So I asked why rubba for the bass sound? and he said it was rubba like a rubber band--the bass strings were twanging/snapping like a rubber band?

That makes sense, the rubber bands comparison. Though, if he can tell you a little bit more about rubba, that'd be nice. :)
 

jamba

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Last recollections re the seminar:

Brad said there was always a fruit basket at the studio but MJ was the only one who ate the fruit, esp. the pomegranites--he talked about how MJ would devour the pomegranite--eat all the seeds--really "rip into a pomegranite." :)

Then we ate the MJ favorite foods, (see above). Brad said for snacks MJ loved popcorn and at NL they ate a ton of nachos. He also said in the studio Q. had his own chef; MJ had the 'slam dunk sisters" for Friday get-togethers. Work at the studio would stop at 5 and people would all eat together and bring their families.

David Foster played the piano on 'Smile."

Brad showed us a lot of photos of NL in the construction phase, and it really helped you to see all the time and work and expense that went into it. For example, the Carousel--the ground had to be leveled, the base (red bricks exterior) built, and so on, all the horses were hand painted in the details like the saddles and each was different. The little train was ordered from Kansas and MJ wanted it delivered all ready to go--with lights, music, decorations. Brad said NL was an enormous undertaking--"project after project." David Nordahl did the many sculptures. Everything got expanded--for example, there was going to be a treehouse and it ended up being 'The Castle." Brad said he asked the manager at NL what the power bill was: $50k per month!

Brad said MJ wanted a full-blown concert system outside to play music--the speakers were hung from trees. Music was everywhere. MJ didn't want his own music played at NL (said it would be embarrassing). So it was Disney, Mary Poppins, Debussy, and other classical music. On the Carousel Janet's music was played and also Joe Saturani (??sp??).

After the guests passed throught the plain wooden gate they came to the ornate cast iron gate with the emblems of the royal family of UK and the words Neverland, etc. MJ wanted music so when the gates were opened there would be a good impression. Brad wanted to make a medley of MJ songs, but MJ said that was 'a terrible idea." So what music did he want? "Danny Boy"--that's what he wanted. Brad thought that was a strange choice of music but he set the speakers up for the orchestral sound of Danny Boy. (I am wondering if this is a kind of nostalgia for MJ's childhood--b/c the song goes "But come ye back when summer's in the meadow, or when the valley's hushed and white with snow, it's I'll be here in sunshine or in shadow, O, Danny Boy, O Danny Boy, I love you so." I Think it's about a boy who goes to war and his family is waiting for him to come home. Kind of like a "Lost Boy." I assume the version MJ used was instrumental.)

In the photos the gardens were amazing--very beautiful and there was 'a yellow brick road' that was built. As I saw the photos I thought how the tabs, etc, want to claim that MJ built NL and the amusement park, zoo, etc. as a nefarious lure for kids, but he was Michael Jackson and there is NO way he needed to go to all the lengths he went to in creating NL to get kids to want to be with him. Come on! He did it to make sick and deprived kids happy. And also, as Brad said, "he wanted his childhood back" and NL was one way to do that, to create a garden and landscape with all the things he loved in one place.

Another tidbit--he said MJ wanted to see the footage of all the girls fainting at his concerts, which is why there is so much footage of that. :)

I learned a lot I never would have, so I am happy I went to this seminar and I hope more people who worked with MJ will share their stories with his fans!
 

Brad Sundberg

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Hey Guys, Brad Sundberg here. Thank you all so much for your kind words and support in the recent seminars in New York. The two groups that were there were attentive, intelligent, friendly and curious. It's funny (and a bit intimidating) because I don't have a tight script with every date, fact and event in front of me, rather I like to let the seminar roll a bit differently each time. My attenders were very kind in that if I forgot a date or a sequence of events, they were more than helpful to share their knowledge.

I am both humbled and amused that so much of what I said and played has been noted and shared. That's OK, I allowed notes, but I really wanted people to experience what it was like to be there, and not get too bogged down writing every detail. I have read a few of the comments that were slightly askew, but nothing harmful (I hope!). There are no shortages of books and articles and websites that lay out endless facts, my goal is more geared toward presenting and sharing an experience of what it was like to be in the studio with Michael.
 
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peace.love.mj

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^Awh! Forgot about the Pomegranites.
 
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Gloved777

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I understand the need for people to share their feelings and impressions after such an amazing experience. But going as far as spreading accounts which go into many, many details can be quite a spoiler for people wanting to attend future seminars.

I'm pretty sure that few people would actually enhance their experience of a good movie by reading loads of pages describing the most important details and plots in the movie. As much as very few people would go to movie forums and share such accounts of the movie they just saw.

Instead they would most likely encourage people to go and see it because of how much they enjoyed it.

I'm sure that no harm is intended. But it's a spoiler. Brad has only done 3 seminars so far, at least give him a chance to do more. I believe it is worth it.
 

Bubs

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I'n sure people who posted their thoughts of the seminar meant no harm and I think they were meant for people who cannot attend to Brad's seminar due to their location (MJ's world wide fanbase). I was happily reading their thoughts and never thought they might ruin someone elses experience:-(
 
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Thanks for the notes. really intresting read. nice to see you here brad. welcome x
 

Virre

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I'll never be able to attend one of these seminars :( so for me it's gold worth when those who can attend write down everything. It's my only chance to get to know. So thank you so much.
 

Brad Sundberg

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I was in the middle of my previous post and hit the post button before I was finished. You can tell I am a master of these forums. : )

Essentially, I was going to make two very quick points. First, while I am flattered that copious notes were taken and posted, some of the details in those notes might take away a bit of the surprise for future attenders. That said, I do understand that not everyone in MJJC might be able to attend, so I understand. Point two, however, is that not two seminars are exactly alike, and I go to great lengths to try to create an event that includes visual (video and photos), audio (music and studio tapes), learning (stories and history behind the projects) and even taste (Family Friday Dinner). It really is an overall studio experience that I hope many fans of Michael's genius will appreciate.

Now some news! (I am announcing this in the forum BEFORE I post it on my Facebook page.) I will very likely offer the "In The Studio With MJ" seminar in Orlando, around the middle of August. The response has been so strong that I have been looking for just the right location to host it in. I have a couple surprises in store that I think you will be very interested in. Once I have the details worked out I will formally announce it both here and on Facebook, but if you are thinking of doing a couple days at WDW or Universal next month, or if you are in the southeast US, stay tuned.

Thanks again for all of the kind words, it means a lot that our efforts for the NY seminars were so warmly received, and I truly enjoyed meeting every person that was able to make it.
 

peace.love.mj

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For me, taking the notes was something I would have done whether or not I was going to share them. I didn't want to take notes during the seminar (didn't want to miss one second!) but did want to write it down after, just for myself, so I wouldn't forget anything and so I could look back on my awesome experience (and I'm sure I have a few names and details wrong but like I said, I waited until after to recount what I remembered). I figured I'd put them on MJJC for people like Virre who may never get the chance to attend, whether it's because they can't afford it or there isn't a seminar close to them. They deserve to know these awesome things just as much as I do so why not share? If you're going to a future seminar and don't want the surprise to be spoiled, then I suggest just not clicking on this thread or any notes that people may post. Just a suggestion though :) sorry if I spoiled anyone's future experience...
 
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qbee

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I don't think it spoils it it for most fans. It only makes them to want to attend all the more. Just as when fans did a full review and summary of the Tour of West Lake Studios last year. Fans want to experience being there and listening to the music and hear someone who was close to Michael relay the stories.
 

peace.love.mj

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^I mean I hope not. Had Brad told us to NOT post or say anything for risk of spoiling it for others, I would not have said anything. But I know there are so many who can't go and I want them to have the chance to hear these things. I doubt that someone considering going would read my notes and say "oh okay I've heard it all, now I don't need to go anymore". At least I'd hope not. Because you really can't get the full effect of it unless you are there. Heck, I've already been and I would gladly go again and again just to hear the music in that setting and see the videos again.
 

qbee

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I was in the middle of my previous post and hit the post button before I was finished. You can tell I am a master of these forums. : )

Essentially, I was going to make two very quick points. First, while I am flattered that copious notes were taken and posted, some of the details in those notes might take away a bit of the surprise for future attenders. That said, I do understand that not everyone in MJJC might be able to attend, so I understand. Point two, however, is that not two seminars are exactly alike, and I go to great lengths to try to create an event that includes visual (video and photos), audio (music and studio tapes), learning (stories and history behind the projects) and even taste (Family Friday Dinner). It really is an overall studio experience that I hope many fans of Michael's genius will appreciate.

Now some news! (I am announcing this in the forum BEFORE I post it on my Facebook page.) I will very likely offer the "In The Studio With MJ" seminar in Orlando, around the middle of August. The response has been so strong that I have been looking for just the right location to host it in. I have a couple surprises in store that I think you will be very interested in. Once I have the details worked out I will formally announce it both here and on Facebook, but if you are thinking of doing a couple days at WDW or Universal next month, or if you are in the southeast US, stay tuned.

Thanks again for all of the kind words, it means a lot that our efforts for the NY seminars were so warmly received, and I truly enjoyed meeting every person that was able to make it.

Brad I certainly understand you wanting to be somewhat protective of the details on your seminar but for myself the fans describing their experience and your stories only makes me want to attend your seminars all the more just to experience it for myself. I think many other feel the same. I know Sales soared for the Westlake studios Tour after fans did the same thing last year. I want you to know the threads about your seminar and your Question and Answer session you so graciously did with us, have been very popular and one of the most well received by our members. They were so happy to see you were presenting them with the opportunity to experience something so positive about Michael.

Thank you for coming to MJJC to comment our thread. We appreciate you giving us a heads up on you holding a seminar in Orlando in August and for offering to come back with official announcements. Please know You are very much appreciated here on MJJC.
 

Bubs

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I was in the middle of my previous post and hit the post button before I was finished. You can tell I am a master of these forums. : )

Essentially, I was going to make two very quick points. First, while I am flattered that copious notes were taken and posted, some of the details in those notes might take away a bit of the surprise for future attenders. That said, I do understand that not everyone in MJJC might be able to attend, so I understand. Point two, however, is that not two seminars are exactly alike, and I go to great lengths to try to create an event that includes visual (video and photos), audio (music and studio tapes), learning (stories and history behind the projects) and even taste (Family Friday Dinner). It really is an overall studio experience that I hope many fans of Michael's genius will appreciate.

Now some news! (I am announcing this in the forum BEFORE I post it on my Facebook page.) I will very likely offer the "In The Studio With MJ" seminar in Orlando, around the middle of August. The response has been so strong that I have been looking for just the right location to host it in. I have a couple surprises in store that I think you will be very interested in. Once I have the details worked out I will formally announce it both here and on Facebook, but if you are thinking of doing a couple days at WDW or Universal next month, or if you are in the southeast US, stay tuned.

Thanks again for all of the kind words, it means a lot that our efforts for the NY seminars were so warmly received, and I truly enjoyed meeting every person that was able to make it.

Thanks very much Brad for your response, and I welcome you to come to Ireland to do your seminar here. I would be the first one to book the tickets :wild:
 

myosotis

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Thanks very much Brad for your response, and I welcome you to come to Ireland to do your seminar here. I would be the first one to book the tickets :wild:

I'm really hoping that Brad will manage to come to the UK. Reading the notes of fans who have already attended has put this right at the top of my wish list! For me, it's not at all a 'spoiler...definitely an 'appetizer'! I'm keeping all of my fingers (and toes) crossed!
 

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Just to say reading the notes can't compare to being there and hearing the music, talking to Brad, seeing the videos and slideshows--it's an experience, a total experience. I would have liked to hear more from Amanada about her recollections of MJ. Actually, this coulkd be an all-day seminar--a morning and afternoon session, or even a 2 day seminar as there is so much material to cover. Also I would have liked to have gotten to know the other MJ participants. (Make that a 3 day seminar! LOL)

I posted my notes b/c when I told people I was going, people asked me to so I felt I had made a promise. Sorry if I spilled anything that I shouldn't have or if I got anything wrong. :)
 

Dilan

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

I would encourage you to try to come to Paris in October. www.bradinparis.com

Hi Brad, for people who cannot come to your seminars it has been mentioned you are writing or going to write book. However, on the topic of the never before seen and heard videos and music do you plan to release these on a DVD someday?
 

Pentum

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

Yes, I did the VIP--splurged! So for us after he ended with Childhood and the phone message, we had MJ's favorite meal, which they had at the studio on Fridays, which was also family day when the staff could bring their wives, kids. So the food was roast turkey, mashed potatoes, collard greens, corn, gravy, mac n cheese, fried chicken, and for desert--banana cream pie. This was made in the studio by the "slam dunk sisters"--MJ's very cute name for the 2 women who put the meal together. So we ate that with Brad--I was so hungry since I had only had a bagel all day! We looked at photos of NL and then ended with listening to an unreleased song called "Faces" (according to some peple there who had heard it before). It reminded me of MLK's "I have a dream" speech--very inspirational words from MJ about how the world is going to change for the better and after the speech, it went into a song. That's the first time I heard it (I think). I am going to post my recollections in a while.
Anymore info on this would be appreciated!
 

TarinJade

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

I understand the need for people to share their feelings and impressions after such an amazing experience. But going as far as spreading accounts which go into many, many details can be quite a spoiler for people wanting to attend future seminars.

I'm pretty sure that few people would actually enhance their experience of a good movie by reading loads of pages describing the most important details and plots in the movie. As much as very few people would go to movie forums and share such accounts of the movie they just saw.

Instead they would most likely encourage people to go and see it because of how much they enjoyed it.

I'm sure that no harm is intended. But it's a spoiler. Brad has only done 3 seminars so far, at least give him a chance to do more. I believe it is worth it.

Maybe we could change the thread title to include the fact that there are details about this seminar posted. And then those who don't wish to know before attending can make the choice not to read it. Nobody is forcing them to do so.
 

Bubs

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

Just to say reading the notes can't compare to being there and hearing the music, talking to Brad, seeing the videos and slideshows--it's an experience, a total experience. I would have liked to hear more from Amanada about her recollections of MJ. Actually, this coulkd be an all-day seminar--a morning and afternoon session, or even a 2 day seminar as there is so much material to cover. Also I would have liked to have gotten to know the other MJ participants. (Make that a 3 day seminar! LOL)

I posted my notes b/c when I told people I was going, people asked me to so I felt I had made a promise. Sorry if I spilled anything that I shouldn't have or if I got anything wrong. :)

Or week long seminar and Brad could get quests likes Bruce S and others to participate and tell their stories:wild:
 

morinen

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

Enormous thanks to you guys for sharing your notes an recollections! Reading them almost made me cry and I wish so badly I could be there.
:bow:

And thank you Brad for making this a reality! I sincerely hope that all of this - the songs, the videos will be made public one day, and I'm looking forward to buying your book. It's priceless. It's things like this about Michael that should be released - instead of the trial exhibits or overproduced albums.

As for the spoilers - I fully support Qbee and assure you that reading this will only make fans want to attend future seminars more. I now regret that I didn't fly to New York, and I will do my best to make it to Orlando or Paris.
 

sugarcookies

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

So awesome!! That all I can say, for now lol...
 

myosotis

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

WHOA!!! The price tho...

For six hours, dinner, studio hire with all the facilities and an experience you can't find anywhere else at any price........I think it seems very reasonable. I'm sure that hiring a large studio must be expensive, just on its own.

I've seen collectors pay more for an item that they might not even unwrap and use. Experiences are the things you will remember all your life, and probably tell your grandchildren about.
 

8701girl

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

Brad said he is gonna try and make a seminar for australia happen , hope it all works out :)
 

sugarcookies

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

For six hours, dinner, studio hire with all the facilities and an experience you can't find anywhere else at any price........I think it seems very reasonable. I'm sure that hiring a large studio must be expensive, just on its own.

I've seen collectors pay more for an item that they might not even unwrap and use. Experiences are the things you will remember all your life, and probably tell your grandchildren about.

Yea u right about the studio time and the equipments.. And plus hearing the experiences and the stories are one for the books. :)
 

hrp102

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

I'll add another "it was worth it". I wish I could have gone to the part at the end, but I had to work that afternoon. They could organize it a little differently though to focus more on the tracks/components of Bad and definitely more of the GITM part (it looks like it was Bill Bottrell that brought in that melodic line that was very similar to something from some group called suicidal tendencies . . . for anyone familiar with that mild controversy). I wonder if there's a breakdown of Who Is It or SIM somewhere on Brad's computer. That's probably the only thing I would have liked to learn more about.
 

qbee

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

From Brad's Face book
https://www.facebook.com/inthestudiowithmj

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Thank you to my early ticket-buyers for the Orlando seminar on August 31st. I am working on an extended Neverland segment, and I have another surprise or three up my sleeve for the group. In the meantime, I want to share a photo with you from the 90s. That's me, with much longer hair and several fewer pounds, standing by the ostrich pen at Neverland. The zoo was amazing. Being a "behind-the-scenes" kind of guy, it was always impressive to see how well cared-for the animals were. The handlers were the coolest people, and everything was done right. It's amazing what can happen when a person with a dream surrounds himself with a great team.

I hope you can join me in Orlando.

https://inthestudiowithmj.ticketbud.com/in-the-studio-with-mj
 

Bubs

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

If someone here is going to Orlando seminar, could you please ask Brad if he was in Neverland when MJ recorded with Freddie Mercury?
I watched The Great Pretender again and Freddie's manager Jim Beach sayd, "They got on well except for the fact that I suddenly got a call from Freddie, saying, 'Miami, dear, can you get on over here... You've got to get me out of here. I'm recording with a llama... I've had enough and I want to get out."

I would like to know whether Jim exaggerated or forgot which pet was there, as wasn't Michael known to bring in Muscles to scare people. I would think llama could be a little too big for studio and could wreck the place or break valuable studio stuff:D
So if possible can someone ask Brad if he witnessed llama in the studio:D
 

hrp102

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

I think the SOS and "there must be more..." recordings were done at Hayvenhurst.
 

HIStory

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Re: Brad Sundberg seminar, June 29th: Making Music With Michael Jackson

If someone here is going to Orlando seminar, could you please ask Brad if he was in Neverland when MJ recorded with Freddie Mercury?
I watched The Great Pretender again and Freddie's manager Jim Beach sayd, "They got on well except for the fact that I suddenly got a call from Freddie, saying, 'Miami, dear, can you get on over here... You've got to get me out of here. I'm recording with a llama... I've had enough and I want to get out."

I would like to know whether Jim exaggerated or forgot which pet was there, as wasn't Michael known to bring in Muscles to scare people. I would think llama could be a little too big for studio and could wreck the place or break valuable studio stuff:D
So if possible can someone ask Brad if he witnessed llama in the studio:D

Brad worked with Michael since Bad and they first met during Captain EO. The Freddie Mercury recordings were a few years earlier, so I doubt he was there.
 
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