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Cascio track are really Michael, believe or not. I'm going to prove it. (Some explanation here.)

kopwatcher said:
No change on Monster, still blatantly not him.
I can hear the difference on KYHU & BN, sounds closer, but still not him.
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That I don't get because Monster is definitely the least processed and it sounds to me (I mean already the album version) the most original.
 
kopwatcher said:
No change on Monster, still blatantly not him.
I can hear the difference on KYHU & BN, sounds closer, but still not him.



I have a high quality sound card and headphones...if I can't hear MJ with that, I never will.
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Trust me on this one, your sound card on the computer will never be as faithfull as a real hi-fi.

What you can hear on a high quality hi-fi is not necessarily exactly the same Mike as we all are used to hear, but at least his voice timbre that was reworked at some parts is recognizable. In other words, you can reasonably doubt that it is more him than not him. Forget the sound from your pc, it won't allow you to hear a sound as rich as a real good quality hi-fi.
 
Topflux said:
That I don't get because Monster is definitely the least processed and it sounds to me (I mean already the album version) the most original.
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You are right, Monster is the least processed. That's why it's the most obvious to me.
 
I listened to it on my laptop, MP3 player and car radio and i don't hear Michael at all. It has never been about what kind of audio equipment you used, when it comes to any MJ song. I have no doubts hearing MJ on the non-Cascio tracks, and worlds of doubt on the Cascio tracks. I don't even need to hear it on CD or whatever....i just don't believe in that.
 
Lol... may be the album should come with the following disclaimer:

Dearest MJ fans,

Please disregard your crappy Apple iPod headphone when listening to the enclosed CD. In order to listen to Michael's voice clearly, you need to listen with a high quality stereo hi-fi sound system (preferrably manufactured by Sony.)

Regards,
Sony Music
 
Crap! Site is blocked. Can you please upload this on mediafire?

Anyway, we all need to thank Topflux for atleast TRYING to do something about these tracks rather than yelling "FAKE" or "STFU You're not real fans" etc.

I really wanna hear your versions :(
 
Topflux said:
That layering like vocal harmony theory I think explains a lot. I think it also explains the weird vibrato. Probably if they pitched Michael's vibrato up or down Melodyne's not the best processing shortened or longered the pitched vibratos. Then layered it messes up the overall vibrato of course. Like I said you can't use Melodyne that much when processing. They should have processed it separately with quality dsp, not with Melodyne. It's one of the biggest mistakes to use it that much and should be well-known. Melodyne isn't made to re-pitch singing at all but mostly other instruments and only to correct vocals pitches if they are near enough what they should be. Like they should be nearer what they should than what they shouldn't. That's about 1/4 steps like I said before..
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Ok, I don't understand about these things nearly anything but you obviously seem like a professional, so I just have one question.. why the hell did Sony proceed Michael's vocals so much then??? Just why? :(
 
The One. said:
Ok, I don't understand about these things nearly anything but you obviously seem like a professional, so I just have one question.. why the hell did Sony proceed Michael's vocals so much then??? Just why? :(
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I can't say exactly the reason because I haven't heard his sessions and haven't been there. But the reason usually is that the vocals are not 'in key'. It means they are slightly overtuned or undertuned sometimes or some notes are completely off the key if the recording had been just kinda practising the song and not even meant to be the final cut or a proper take at all by him. Then what was the reason to do that kind of things in the first place imo it seems like they wanted these songs to be released 'desperately' no matter how incomplete or how much just practising it was. Maybe because of their personal message. Imo it can't be about the bad sound quality because it just doesn't sound too bad and if it was only about the sound quality you don't have to fine tune anything but just try to better the quality of it.
 
I think you have wasted your time. Them speed up makes me more think they are fake.
 
Thank you for this thread, it is really informative. I find all this technical stuff really interesting.

When I first heard the leaks on the computer I was like, wtf! But now that I have the actual CD, I think its Michael singing on every song. His voice comes off a lot clearer and crisper on the CD.

There are some songs where they over-did it when they didnt need to. Some are just completely overpowered by music and background vocals. Its kind of annoying.
 
Minimj said:
I think you have wasted your time. Them speed up makes me more think they are fake.
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They are not exactly 'speeded up', but the tempo is increased. But there's also those album tempo clips.
 
ASIS said:
Crap! Site is blocked. Can you please upload this on mediafire?

Anyway, we all need to thank Topflux for atleast TRYING to do something about these tracks rather than yelling "FAKE" or "STFU You're not real fans" etc.

I really wanna hear your versions :(
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I will upload them there Mediafire soon. I'm not able to do it right now.
 
I don't know why Mediafire doesn't work for me. But here are the links to Rapidshare:

"Keep Your Head Up" (album tempo):
http://rapidshare.com/files/436956429/keepyourvoiceup_albumtempo.mp3

"Breaking News" (album tempo):
http://rapidshare.com/files/436952158/breakingnews_albumtempo.mp3

"Monster" (album tempo):
http://rapidshare.com/files/436946540/monster_albumtempo.mp3


And, like we all know also "Much Too Soon" isn't Michael, here is the originalized version:
http://rapidshare.com/files/436944145/muchtoosoon_hithisismichaelisntit.mp3
 
Ok alot of you seem to be saying about how no other song has been messed with so thats why there fake blah blah blah, but it was Sony who screwed up by putting BN, the most incomplete song in history on that album, and tried to finish it with someone else and then went ahead and over edited everything, your all looking at it as if Sony would put fake vocals on there purposely, i don't think so, no logic in that whatsoever. I think we need to request a release of the unedited vocal tracks!
 
olivertom said:
It would be really nice if this was a thread about the logic, reason and scientific methodology behind finding out whether the voice on those tracks is Michael Jackson's.

By that, I mean people who clearly know what they are talking about within audio engineering are given a chance to explore using industry standard technology to put across their facts without people coming in side on and saying things like "I know it's him/not him in my heart". It means nothing, is subjective and illogical.

When we get down to specific syllables in his utterances and technologies that have been used to process the vocal track in post, that is the best chance of us actually finding out the truth.

It's counter productive to both sides having people who think they know what they are talking about because they have been a fan for 'X' years writing off one opinion without having properly looked into the audio engineering that the tracks could have gone through. :)
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AMEN TO THAT! people need to stop listening to their hearts and start using their heads... why? because our heart is never right, thats why we all fall in love with different people, because it's a personal thing, hearts are for personal things not for practical things
 
Aytac said:
what should i exactly hear?.. just speeder. thats it. it doesnt mean anything. speeder versions are more not-mj. lol sounds creepy.
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There's also album tempo clips in this thread. Not speeded up. Just two posts earlier there's also Rapidshare links.
 
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