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hey Guys,

i didn't know where to post this but i assume this is the right place since it has to do with the allegations against Michael,


I'm a new MJ fan (since Christmas 2015).While i was doing some research on his private life (i'm still getting to know all the facts about the trials,accusations etc.) i came across some Interviews of Latoya.And she said some very mean things about him which must have very hurt him (1993).And i know of her alleged abusive husband,and that he made her say these horrible things.And I saw some pics of her having bruises so i kind of believe her...but do you really think that she didn't mean what she said back in the day,because to me,she seemed really convinced and sincere.Of course later on she claims that her brother was threatned,and she was scared etc. But she also said things in the early nineties that find hard not to believe because Michael said the same things (Joseph being abusive).So i really have no idea what to believe ....i noticed that many haters use her against MJ but i think this is ridiculous since she took back all her words and she wasn't even there in 93. I think she's a bit strange,but hey, so was Michael :cheeky:
 

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LaToya never claimed those things about MJ before the Chandler scandal. That should tell you all about where those claims were coming from. Her book is actually all positive about MJ. Why, if she had really suspected those things about him? And which one of her portrayal of her brother is true and "sincere" then? Even if we just compare her conflicting and changing portrayal of him in the early 90s. Despite of the scandalous claims she had made about her family she had never claimed those things about MJ before the allegations.She simply jumped on the bandwagon when the Chandler scandal broke, that's pretty clear.

LaToya has never been the epitome of truthfulness anyway and she is pretty opportunistic IMO. She has said a lot of crazy things over the years, not just back then. I'd like to believe her that when she said those things in the early 90s that was all under the pressure of Jack Gordon and she did not participate in making up those lies about her brother. I'd like to give her that benefit of doubt, but I don't know.
 

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LaToya never claimed those things about MJ before the Chandler scandal. That should tell you all about where those claims were coming from. Her book is actually all positive about MJ. Why, if she had really suspected those things about him? And which one of her portrayal of her brother is true and "sincere" then? Even if we just compare her conflicting and changing portrayal of him in the early 90s. Despite of the scandalous claims she had made about her family she had never claimed those things about MJ before the allegations.She simply jumped on the bandwagon when the Chandler scandal broke, that's pretty clear.

LaToya has never been the epitome of truthfulness anyway and she is pretty opportunistic IMO. She has said a lot of crazy things over the years, not just back then. I'd like to believe her that when she said those things in the early 90s that was all under the pressure of Jack Gordon and she did not participate in making up those lies about her brother. I'd like to give her that benefit of doubt, but I don't know.

Thank you for your answer :)

That's the thing, i can never say if she only jumped the bandwagon or if she was surprised about the sleep overs and disgusted (and maybe also manipulated by Jack Gordon).I don't think she's very trustworthy,but i find it hard to imagine that she would expose her family and especially Michael who went through hell.So i guess i'll stick to the abusive husband explanation, because everything else would make her even worse than Michael's haters.I mean his own sister? Hard to imagine.But of course we don't know what went on.
 
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Not to mention guiterrez. I put nothing past her or the rest of the family. She enjoys the spotlight to much and enjoyed it in 93
 

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BTW, LaToya's main claim was that MJ paid hush money to the Safechucks. Although they weren't named by her that she meant them was clear. Ironically, Safechuck's own current lawsuit refutes that myth now, as he never claims his family had ever received hush money.
 

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BTW, LaToya's main claim was that MJ paid hush money to the Safechucks. Although they weren't named by her that she meant them was clear. Ironically, Safechuck's own current lawsuit refutes that myth now, as he never claims his family had ever received hush money.

do you mean she claimed that in 1993? and how do we know that she meant safechuck?

(i'm sorry if i have to question everything, i'm not used to be so careful about what people are saying, but in Michael's case i barely trust anyone,there are just too many things that were said about him)
 

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DancingMjsdream;4167885 said:
do you mean she claimed that in 1993? and how do we know that she meant safechuck?

(i'm sorry if i have to question everything, i'm not used to be so careful about what people are saying, but in Michael's case i barely trust anyone,there are just too many things that were said about him)

If I remember her claims correctly what she said was that she saw hush money checks sent to the family of a boy whose father was a garbage collector. It was Safechuck's father who was supposedly a garbage collector.

ETA: Yes, acc. to the media his father is still a garbage collector:

Adding some weight to Safechuck’s claims, Jackson’s sister La Toya said in a 1994 TV interview that she and her mother Katherine Jackson found a cancelled check Michael had written to one of the boys. While she didn’t name the child she said “the father, supposedly, is a garbage collector.”

James Safechuck’s father was at the time, and still is, a garbage collector.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...singer-for-years/story-fnk822dn-1226916864621

The media wants to use LaToya's story as a "corroboration" for Safechuck's claims insinuating - like LaToya did in 1993 - that this was hush money for sexual abuse, but that's because they are too stupid to realize Safechuck's own allegations actually refute LaToya's insinuations. They are not supportive of each other but contradictory. Since in his lawsuit Safechuck never mentions any hush money that was supposedly paid to his family. And if hush money had ever been paid to his parents and they still let him around MJ after that then that would mean he should sue (or actually press charges against) them and not MJ's companies. If his parents had ever been paid hush money that would be some nerve then in his lawsuit to call everyone at MJ's companies "madames" but not his own parents.

There have been so many lies told by these accusers and their star "witnesses" that often their own supportive "witnesses" end up contradicting them. They cannot keep so many lies straight.
 
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But when they say that the check was cancelled, doesn't that mean that safechuck never received anything but MJ still filed the check? Which would be stupid aswell, since Safechuck claimed that nobody knew about the abuse, so why would Michael feel the need to pay them off? (please let me know if i get something wrong,english is not my first language)

Okay i absolutely cannot trust Latoya, i think she's a nutjob.I hope she had good reasons for her actions.
 

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But when they say that the check was cancelled, doesn't that mean that safechuck never received anything but MJ still filed the check?

No, a cancelled check means the sum on it was never transferred. No matter how you try to twist this it just doesn't jive with Safechuck's own current allegations. Safechuck himself claims his parents never knew about his alleged abuse until recently and he says he didn't realize he was allegedly abused until recently, so like you said, a hush money payment just doesn't fit into that story.
 

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thanks for clearing everything up respect 77 :)

I have been trying to get through this chaos for months now.I have always doubted MJs guilt even as a child,but i have to do the research to be 100% sure.It's nice that there are people that take their time and make some things a bit clearer to me , because sometimes some people in MJs life confuse me, especially when it comes to alleged friends or even his own family members.Another person tried to convince me that MJ somehow paid Latoya and got her on his side and whatever but i wasn't really satisifed with this explanation why she changed her tune.
 
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I haven't trusted or believed her ever since that infamous conference. OK, her abusive husband made her say those horrendous and fallacious things about her bother but how come Latoya didn't hit rock bottom in that specific moment when she was about to accuse a human being of one of the most heinous crimes a person can be accused of but did so 3 years later when Gordon wanted to force her to do a porn movie. And not apologizing to Michael about it even if brushing things off is "the Jackson way" was shitty on her part, IMO.

 

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Another person tried to convince me that MJ somehow paid Latoya and got her on his side and whatever but i wasn't really satisifed with this explanation why she changed her tune.

That LaToya had an abusive husband is true. There was some dramatic story about her escape from her husband (Randy helped her, I think). On the Glenda tapes in 1992 MJ refers to Jack Gordon as a "hitman" and he clearly doesn't like him and Gordon was clearly not considered to be a good man by the family, including MJ, even before the 1993 allegations. It would clearly be in the character of such a man to try to take advantage of the allegations and make up tabloid stories like that in the wake of the 1993 allegations. I don't think LaToya needed to be paid any money to change her tune after she escaped from that man.

Besides, when someone makes such an unfounded claim that LaToya was paid money by MJ to get her on his side the burden of proof is on that person to prove it. Without that it is nothing but an unfounded conspiracy theory. Plus if LaToya could be paid to change sides then that would speak of a character who changes sides acc. to any current benefit she sees. What then makes that person any more credible when she saw benefit in saying those negative things about MJ?
 

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I haven't trusted or believed her ever since that infamous conference. OK, her abusive husband made her say those horrendous and fallacious things about her bother but how come Latoya didn't hit rock bottom in that specific moment when she was about to accuse a human being of one of the most heinous crimes a person can be accused of but did so 3 years later when Gordon wanted to force her to do a porn movie. And not apologizing to Michael about it even if brushing things off is "the Jackson way" was shitty on her part, IMO.


That interview shows how disfunctional the Jackson family is. Not talking about problems and conflicts but sweeping them under the rug. I think a lot of problems MJ had emotionally stem from that. But MJ wasn't the only child who was affected, I am sure they all were, LaToya included. Only everyone had a different way to deal with the family disfunction. LaToya's was to rebel and go crazy at the end of the 80s, early 90s. Not saying it excuses what she did against MJ - that is inexcusable - but you can see why she ended up the way she is.
 

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That LaToya had an abusive husband is true. There was some dramatic story about her escape from her husband (Randy helped her, I think). On the Glenda tapes in 1992 MJ refers to Jack Gordon as a "hitman" and he clearly doesn't like him and Gordon was clearly not considered to be a good man by the family, including MJ, even before the 1993 allegations. It would clearly be in the character of such a man to try to take advantage of the allegations and make up tabloid stories like that in the wake of the 1993 allegations. I don't think LaToya needed to be paid any money to change her tune after she escaped from that man.

Besides, when someone makes such an unfounded claim that LaToya was paid money by MJ to get her on his side the burden of proof is on that person to prove it. Without that it is nothing but an unfounded conspiracy theory. Plus if LaToya could be paid to change sides then that would speak of a character who changes sides acc. to any current benefit she sees. What then makes that person any more credible when she saw benefit in saying those negative things about MJ?

this is what bugs me! Haters always try to find explanations that fit their 'michael was pedo' image,but there are very few who actually could provide some links or something else to prove their claims.I believe they don't even know what they are talking about.If i ask for some evidence they call me a pedo apologist and that's it.It's exhausting,i didn't know that i would have to defend Michael all the time when i became a fan :doh: But at least i do bother to find out the truth.I'm not finished yet, but i can already see what all this was about.
 

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I haven't trusted or believed her ever since that infamous conference. OK, her abusive husband made her say those horrendous and fallacious things about her bother but how come Latoya didn't hit rock bottom in that specific moment when she was about to accuse a human being of one of the most heinous crimes a person can be accused of but did so 3 years later when Gordon wanted to force her to do a porn movie. And not apologizing to Michael about it even if brushing things off is "the Jackson way" was shitty on her part, IMO.


agreed! But i think they 'talked' about it.This is what she claims in her book 'starting over', that Michael forgave her because he knew it wasn't her idea and that Jack Gordon forced her.
 
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That's the thing. Only 2 people know if she really apologized to Michael or not, one is gone and the other is not precisely the epitome of truthfulness as respect said.
 

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A cancelled check is the proper term for a check that is paid. That's what you call the cks that come in your statement.
As I recall she said she saw the cancelled check but never provided proof of it.

Latoya is a perfect example of what can happen when you grow up in the weird and wacky world of ruthless show business at the same time as the weird and wacky world of an extreme religion. Those 2 lifestyles couldn't be more different.
Latoya by all accounts was the most reserved, prim and proper and religious kid of all and grew up connected to her mom at the hip. Then her dad was determined she's going into show biz too and she's obedient. Look at her dancing with Michael in those variety shows. She's dancing her tail off.

Not sure exactly what triggered her going off the deep end and wanting the fame so much herself. I guess it was hard that she just didn't have it and some jealousy set in as well. She just did a complete 180. But Gordon was bad news and I believe he's the one who pushed her. She did a lot of degrading performances. And she made a lot of allegations about her dad when her book was not doing well. The more scandalous the more attention she got. None of that stuff was in her book.
I think she made the allegations and claims on Michael bc he was beating her and she also became in demand. It was almost a Dr. Jekyll Mr Hyde thing. It'd be like if somebody like me who was quiet, reserved and shy suddenly became a stripper because you have the attention you always wanted.
I have no doubt that she apologized to Michael in private. Sometimes I feel sorry for her. But I don't forgive it.
 
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"In 1987, Mrs. Jackson purportedly deeded her remaining 25 percent interest to daughter LaToya Jackson. In 1990, Mrs. Jackson sued her daughter to return her 25 percent interest because that interest "was in jeopardy as community property and subject to loss in the event of any adverse litigation involving other family members." This is in regards to the home on Hayvenhurst in Encino, Ca.

In 1993, a deed was recorded in which Mrs. Jackson "who previously conveyed to (and withdraws from) LaToya Jackson, as nominee only, an undivided 25 percent interest" and then purportedly conveyed that interest to her son Michael as "nominee only.""

This is what I believe precipitated what happened with Latoya doing Playboy and marrying Jack Gordon, just to stick it to her mother, Katherine Jackson.

Latoya Jackson loves notoriety. it's why she played devil's advocate in accusing Michael Jackson, her brother, of wrongdoing. I just don't see Latoya Jackson as protecting Jack Gordon, as you see women do who are with men who do abuse them. It's why you see women going back to their perpetrator, their man. They want to protect the relationship. Nothing like being exploited by another human being and becoming dehumanized.
 

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this is what bugs me! Haters always try to find explanations that fit their 'michael was pedo' image,but there are very few who actually could provide some links or something else to prove their claims.I believe they don't even know what they are talking about.If i ask for some evidence they call me a pedo apologist and that's it.It's exhausting,i didn't know that i would have to defend Michael all the time when i became a fan :doh: But at least i do bother to find out the truth.I'm not finished yet, but i can already see what all this was about.
When people call you a pedo apologist, that means they have no argument and nothing to back it up with creditability. Call them a name back and if they get defensive just tell them "now you know how I feel when you make your "stupid remarks".
 
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Yes-if someone calls you a pedo lover or pedo apologist, it's a sure sign you're in troll territory and not in a legit debate.
Just leave and ignore.
 

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I think Jack was able to do what he did to Latoya because Latoya was jealous of Michael's success. Anytime she spoke (even her title in playboy was "do not tell Michael. Why? She had 8 other siblings that she did not focus on like she did MJ and Gordon took advantage of her jealousy.). I do think she ask Michael to forgive and he accpected it). When it comes to stuff like this, the ONLY thing that matters is what Michael and Latoya handled their "forgiveness", not us as outsiders.
 

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"In 1987, Mrs. Jackson purportedly deeded her remaining 25 percent interest to daughter LaToya Jackson. In 1990, Mrs. Jackson sued her daughter to return her 25 percent interest because that interest "was in jeopardy as community property and subject to loss in the event of any adverse litigation involving other family members." This is in regards to the home on Hayvenhurst in Encino, Ca.

In 1993, a deed was recorded in which Mrs. Jackson "who previously conveyed to (and withdraws from) LaToya Jackson, as nominee only, an undivided 25 percent interest" and then purportedly conveyed that interest to her son Michael as "nominee only.""

This is what I believe precipitated what happened with Latoya doing Playboy and marrying Jack Gordon, just to stick it to her mother, Katherine Jackson.

Latoya Jackson loves notoriety. it's why she played devil's advocate in accusing Michael Jackson, her brother, of wrongdoing. I just don't see Latoya Jackson as protecting Jack Gordon, as you see women do who are with men who do abuse them. It's why you see women going back to their perpetrator, their man. They want to protect the relationship. Nothing like being exploited by another human being and becoming dehumanized.


? Mrs J sued her own daughter?? Woah ......wow ...
 

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At the beginning it was really hard, people tried to make me feel bad for defending him.But my family supports him and my friends like him so i can cope with it.The negativity can drive you crazy really.I'll try not to focus on it.
 

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My own feelings about Latoya range from disgust and dislike to indifference.
I'll never forgive her for saying what she did about Michael, but her husband is worse then her for having coerced her into saying it.
Overall, I think Latoya is not to be trusted.
 

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you can never fully trust people that are easily manipulated... Even if they have good intent!
 
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