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Conrad Murray is requesting Bail Pending Appeal. [UPDATE] Request Denied

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Murray needs to suck it up and take his medicine!!
 
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LastTear said:
TwinkLEE your naughty! Not that I disagree of course, however I think that is too good for him, let him live with what he has done, don't forget when he was walking around before the trial he was 'an innocent' man, reactions will be different now, or should be anyway. Trouble is that we will have to stomach seeing pictures of him enjoying his children when that should be Michael.
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Sadly the man doesn't believe he did anything wrong so I don't think he is going to have any trouble living with it. The man is simply not normal. Twinklee has the right idea...let bubba deal with it!
 
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Wasn't it said that Karen could not be found to testify so the defense decided not to make her take the stand? I don't remember. They had Klien's records. It sounds to me like that was as good as having him testify. Klien had to have known that they were trying to blame him. And I am no fan of Klien. But at least Klien wasn't leaving Michael completely unmonitered when Michael was in his office from all that I've heard. No other doctors were. Whatever anybody chooses to believe happened to Michael on his final day, to me it will always be that Michael died because Murray wasn't watching him like he should have under those conditions. And if he absolutely had to leave, he should have called somebody to come upstairs to keep an eye on Michael. There was nobody in that room to monitor Michael or help him right away if something went wrong. And no excuse will ever make up for that. As far as where Murray is now, jail is not supposed to be like some kind of paradise with velvet pillows and satin sheets. Why should Murray not have to deal with the consequences of his actions?
 
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twinklEE said:
reactions are not going to change, when it comes to Michael people f**** up beyond belief. I just want him to rot in hell the sooner the better. It's obvious that he ain't gonna do any rotting on earth IMO. Considering the fact that the selfish Jackson's even refused to restitution. I'm just so damn frustrated and annoyed with everything regarding Conrat Muderer.
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cinzia said:
Sadly the man doesn't believe he did anything wrong so I don't think he is going to have any trouble living with it. The man is simply not normal. Twinklee has the right idea...let bubba deal with it!
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Yes I know. I just want him to suffer one way or another, I just think the bubba solution is too easy.
 
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feb 24th hearing to decide on this according to news articles
 
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murray shut your f***ing mouth up!!!!!!:mat:
sorry guys but i hate him:ranting
 
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And so the pity party continues.....:smilerolleyes:
 
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He desperately needs to get out to support his 7 children I guess he thinks 'Part Two' will help him with that, he has generously offered to wear an ankle bracelet :puke: at the mentality of him.
I really think he will be staying where he is because they must be able to see that the man's brain doesn't function normally, he still doesn't get it and I don't think he ever will. When he looses his appeal (supposing he gets one that is) he will do more than just spit his dummy out....he will freak out....they will have to certify him.
 
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Yeah, what a guy...willing to wear an ankle monitor...I'm sooo glad he's willing cuz you know, I'd simply hate it if he wasn't willing. And to live with his baby mama. Wow. What a punishment. I wonder how she will support him? With her instrument?

All together now. Pooor Conrad murray.
 
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and this is why Murray is a sociopath and needs to stay behind bars for longer than 4 years and he needs to pay restitution of over 200 million dollars. This jack@ss does not get it.. He killed a man and he doesn't care. Judge Pastor is right that Murray is a danger to society. His lack of remorse, lack of guilt is just mind boggling. He gave MJ anesthesia at home willy nilly without monitoring him or watching him. He recorded MJ in a drugged state with God's knows what his intentions were and yet he feels he's done nothing wrong. This is just awful:mat:
 
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Seriously, I am wondering what sensible basis Murray possibly could have for an appeal. From what I saw in the courtroom, most of the defense's own witnesses did not support them. The character witnesses only served to highlight how Murray knew better on how to treat patients using plain old common sense of right instead of wrong. If I remember correctly, even their own medical expert said that he would never give propofol under conditions such as what happened with Michael. I can't imagine any other doctor of Michael's getting on the stand for the defense and saying that they were the doctor who got Michael addicted to propofol or left him without some kind of supervision or monitoring equipment. Also if the defense was going to bring in the issue of Michael's finances, then wouldn't Murray's finances be brought in also? Why does this case always have to be about everybody except Murray? I don't understand that.
 
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Kingofpop4ever3000;3589285 said:
Seriously, I am wondering what sensible basis Murray possibly could have for an appeal. From what I saw in the courtroom, most of the defense's own witnesses did not support them. The character witnesses only served to highlight how Murray knew better on how to treat patients using plain old common sense of right instead of wrong. If I remember correctly, even their own medical expert said that he would never give propofol under conditions such as what happened with Michael. I can't imagine any other doctor of Michael's getting on the stand for the defense and saying that they were the doctor who got Michael addicted to propofol. Why does this always have to be about everybody but Murray? I don't understand that.
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I was just going to edit my post to pose a similar question. Could there possibly be a snowball's chance in hell that there is a tiny grain of merit to this appeal? Not truth but a technicality of some sort? I remember in the run up to the trial when we were wondering what on earth the defense were up to with their various tactics, the idea was raised that maybe this was being done to provide some kind of grounds for appeal. Could this in fact be possible???

Anyway, it looks like Judge Pastor got the request.
In a written declaration, Dr. Conrad Murray asked Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor to release him on his own recognizance or on bail pending his appeal.

Murray noted in the declaration that he has been informed by his appellate attorney “that my appeal will take well over a year before an opinion is rendered.”

“I am aware of the fact that I will have to serve out the remainder of my sentence less credit for the time I have served if I am not successful on appeal,” wrote Murray, who was sentenced Nov. 29 to four years in county jail.
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http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/01/27/dr-conrad-murray-wants-release-from-jail-while-his-appeal-is-pending/

Why would he think Judge Pastor would grant this? Somehow, I can't see Pastor changing his mind on this.
 
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So it is pastor that is dealing with this. good then there defo is nothing to worry about (touch wood)the only concern to me is the issue of the appeal taking over a year. so in that sense why bother as even if u win u have already done the sentence.so the judge may look at it that way and give bail cause of that reason.and if u lose the appeal u go back and serve the rest of your sentence
 
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http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_6718/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=V2Q5IgAqare the comments by flanagan new? calling mj an addict again and going on about mj finances contributed to the choices mj made. trying to blame the victim as the article indicates.or are they from the first appeal filing. Know i shouldnt have read that article. pissed me right off and now hes claiming murray is sorry for what happened. yeah right.
 
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This just makes me feel sick.
I don't doubt cm is 'sorrowful' about Michael's death just doesn't think it was anything to do with him, murray, I'll bet. I'm sure he's 'sorrowful' about all that lovely loot he didn't get from Michael and the trip to London and all the nice perks he lost as result of his negligence, etc.
Reading what flanazapam had to say, well, what is new here? Just more of the same old blame Michael, again and again and again. AND what's with the 'uncooperative patient' who made demands etc. Murray was so mindless that he couldn't say NO??
Nothing new here.
I say put him in with the general prison population. Let's see what happens then.
 
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Flanagan is runing with the defence from the criminal trial. and that has already been provern to be b.s. i guess mj was un cooperative while murray was making all those phone calls when he should have been doing his job of watching him. oh yeah mj was begging while murray was sat chatting to his girlfriends even though mj was already aslerp on a drip at that point.

flanagan needs to join murray in that cell
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Flanagan is runing with the defence from the criminal trial. and that has already been provern to be b.s. i guess mj was un cooperative while murray was making all those phone calls when he should have been doing his job of watching him. oh yeah mj was begging while murray was sat chatting to his girlfriends even though mj was already aslerp on a drip at that point.

flanagan needs to join murray in that cell
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What? Flanagans is still a lawyer? I can't believe it!
 
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Flanny is just the lawyer. He may not be the best. Still, he's just doing his job.
 
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If this gets approved I will completely lose it. I can't deal with it.
 
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kissybissy said:
Flanny is just the lawyer. He may not be the best. Still, he's just doing his job.
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yes he is. but he doesn't have to be so disrespectful towards victim. he acts not like a professional and much like gossips collector. let's remeber his words on murray docu. he have to be more respectful to man who's not living anymore - whoever he was
 
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Isn't it interesting that this happens right after the dropped the restitution plea. I guess Muarry is saying "look even the family knows I am not responsible. They do not even want me to pay, because they are going after AEG."

Appeals always take some time and no way would Pastor allow this criminal to leave the prison, when he should be in there for 4 years in the first place. Here they go again with the evidence that was not allowed --Michael's finances, information from 05, and Kline's influence I guess are some of the issues they want to raise. Pastor is not going to let a criminal who has no remorse and who he knows had a fair trail leave the jail to hang out with his girl friend.
 
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i think he just plays 'father of seven babys' card.
hey murray what about alimony payments
 
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Mirabella76 said:
yes he is. but he doesn't have to be so disrespectful towards victim. he acts not like a professional and much like gossips collector. let's remeber his words on murray docu. he have to be more respectful to man who's not living anymore - whoever he was
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I do agree. With most cases of this nature, lawyers are advise not to demonize the victim. Yes, you want to show their flaws how they maybe responsible for their own actions, but to go on calling them an addict with no scientific backing and finances that can also give motive to your own clinic who was being paid an outrages amount of money while in debt is just too far.
 
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cinzia said:
Reading what flanazapam had to say, well, what is new here? Just more of the same old blame Michael, again and again and again. AND what's with the 'uncooperative patient' who made demands etc. Murray was so mindless that he couldn't say NO??
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I've been saying from the very beginning of this case that I can't believe that Murray could not say no to Michael and that he just HAD to give Michael what he wanted. The following post is a slighty changed version of another post that I wrote last year in another thread about Murray:

How come this "Hollywood doctor" can blame his celebrity patient for everything that happened and the public just says that it's not the doctor's fault? Why is it that a celebrity is supposed to know everything and the doctor, who went to medical school, doesn't have to know anything and cannot be held responsible for messing up when keeping people healthy is their job? Not to mention that Murray has claimed to already have suspected that Michael was addicted to propofol. Doctors just don't give patients things that they think the patient is already addicted to. That's why I do not understand why people don't hold Murray to a high standard of care as a doctor. Instead, they sympathetically treat him like a brainless know-nothing who happened to fall off a watermelon wagon at Michael's doorstep with a medical degree certificate from the bottom of a cereal box. This is ridiculous, in my opinion. especially considering that Murray's other patients were giving interviews and court testimony trying to prop up his character making him sound all "Angel on Earth". But yet, we're not supposed to think anything of it when he does something stupid? I don't buy that. He could have said no to Michael and gone back to his clinics to earn his cash instead and spared MJ fans all this grief and anger. To me, if Murray was that money-hungry that he would trash the medical ethics code just to earn another quick dollar from Michael, then yes, that is nobody's fault but Murray's. And the same goes for any other starstruck so-called "yes man" doctor that Michael would have supposedly gone to had Murray quit the job like he should have done. This is all just my opinion.
 
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Mirabella76 said:
i think he just plays 'father of seven babys' card. hey murray what about alimony payments
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Bet he doesnt know all seven names!! the mans a dead beat with a wife a baby momma and was it three girl friends on the go and prison threats for not paying child supportre the above post. there was no begging there wad no uncooperative paitent. that was just yet another defence of murrays. he claimed mj was begging yet at the time this is supposed to have happened he was making numerous phonecalls etc. and as we know mj was cleary on a drip for along time. ie he was already on the drip and thats why murray carried on with his business of ringing his girlfriends.murray never wanted to say no. he saw $$ signs hence why he first adked for $5 mill and was telling all his g/f's that they could come to london. he told mj it was safe. told mj he could do the job. bought shit loads of the stuff minth after month. it was his dream job and as he told the pastor it would clear his debts. It was all about the greed and prestige. yet even with so much to gain and lose he treated mj the way he didand at the end of the day. the media have portrayed mj as a subhuman for decades a freak a weirdo.he was blamed for being lynched by sneddon. when ever mj was ill the media said he was lieing cause the subhuman could never be ill. So when someone kills him of course he gets the blame for it because god forbid mj could be a victim
 
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No one in their right mind who followed that trial can believe Conrat is innocent. The testimonies from his former patients only make his behavior with MJ worse.

But I agree with Elusive. The "freak" must have some responsibility in it, right? After all, he was certainly a drug addict on top of everything else.
 
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Jackson Family Refuses Restitution from Murray: Michael Jackson Fans Ask Why![/h]JAN 28

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Jackson Family Refuses Restitution from Murray: Michael Jackson Fans Ask Why!
In what may be a final straw for Michael Jackson fans, the Jackson family has withdrawn a request for restitution from Conrad Murray, convicted of causing the death of Michael Jackson. Murray is currently serving a four-year jail sentence, but will likely only serve half of that time, or less, due to overcrowding in California jails and prisons.
Murray has described himself as indigent, and restitution would have been largely symbolic. California has no Son of Sam law that would prohibit Murray from profiting from his crime. A significant restitution based on Jackson’s projected earnings likely would have reduced the possibility that Murray would profit, through television appearances, books, documentary films, and in other ways. Restitution would have greatly lessened the possibility that Michael Jackson’s children would have been exposed to slander of their father, from Murray.
The Washington Post reported that the Jackson’s have permanently withdrawn their request, even though Judge Pastor –the judge who heard the widely televised Murray case – was prepared to require restitution as part of Murray’s sentence. Projected amounts would have been approximately one hundred million dollars for lost earnings from Jackson’s planned This is It tour, and nearly two million dollars for his funeral expenses.
Restitution was never about financial reimbursement. It was to be about justice, ensuring that Murray does not profit from his role in Jackson’s death. Fans have responded with outrage and disgust at the Jacksons’ decision. On Michael J. Jackson Community, the world’s largest Michael Jackson fan discussion board, fans have written that they are disgusted, outraged, and have “run out of respect” for the Jackson family.
Fans want to know why restitution was rejected. The answers seem to lie in two lawsuits filed by Jackson’s parents, against the entertainment company, Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG). Joseph Jackson has an ongoing lawsuit against AEG Live for negligence, and against Murray for wrongful death. Katherine Jackson is pursuing her own lawsuit against AEG. It’s not difficult to speculate that the Jackson’s are going for the gold, in their attempt to extract payment from the deep pockets of AEG. In the process, they have let Murray off the hook, and when he is released from prison, he is free to make the talk show rounds, and pursue any other potential income from his role in Jackson’s death. Murray has never expressed that he feels responsibility for Jackson’s death, that orphaned Jackson’s three children. Instead, Murray has painted himself as the victim. It is expected that this trend will continue, now that he will be free to pursue these income opportunities.
Restitution from Murray would have driven home the egregiousness of his crime, saddling him with a lifetime of debt that he could never hope to repay. Michael Jackson’s children are well provided for, for their lifetimes, from Jackson’s Estate. However, Jackson’s parents would have likely never seen an income stream from Murray. It would seem that they chose greed, over justice, and a potential profit from their son’s death, rather than protection for Jackson’s children from slander of their father.
It is unlikely that either Joseph or Katherine Jackson’s lawsuits will succeed. AEG undoubtedly has a significant war-chest, and negligence on their part would be difficult to prove. As for Joseph Jackson’s lawsuit, his attorney, Brian Oxman, has been recommended for disbarment. As reported by the L.A. Times, “Oxman’s three disciplinary proceedings show a disturbing disregard for the administration of justice, including misrepresentations to courts and a failure to cooperate in disciplinary proceedings.” The disbarment of Oxman will likely leave Mr. Jackson without an attorney for his lawsuit.
To date, the Jacksons have issued no statements as to their reasons for giving up restitution. Fans want to know why the Jacksons have declined what would have been a certain avenue for justice for their son. Fans want to know why Michael Jackson’s children will now be left virtually unprotected from defamation, by Murray, of their father. Fans want explanations as to why this choice was made, and they want the Jackson family to be accountable for what seems like a failure for justice for Michael Jackson. The disgust now felt by many fans for the actions of this family, may never be replaced by respect.
Information Sources:
Washington Post: Request for restitution from doctor convicted in Michael Jackson’s death withdrawn
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...th-withdrawn/2012/01/18/gIQA6DC58P_story.html
Los Angeles Times: State Bar of California recommends lawyer’s disbarment
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-oxman-disbarment-20120119,0,5631564.story
 
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Ben said:
No one in their right mind who followed that trial can believe Conrat is innocent. The testimonies from his former patients only make his behavior with MJ worse.

But I agree with Elusive. The "freak" must have some responsibility in it, right? After all, he was certainly a drug addict on top of everything else.
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I don't think that is true. From what I've seen, no one feels sorry for Murray. When he was convicted, beside the usual haters, everyone agreed and was disgusted by what Murray had done. I remember one of the hosts from In Sessions going as far as to say, 'I will sorry for Murray's family, but I will never feels sorry for Murray for what he has done.' Another said that Murray should be counting his lucky stars since he wasn't brought up on Murder 2 and he wasn't going to state prison. She said this was alot of venom.

The common thing I've seen, Murray should had gotten more time. Whether Michael asked for it or is render moot to most of them since Murray, for the lack of better words, left Michael to die.
 
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many of the gen public dont share that attitude. u only had to look at mcpartlans twitter on sky. how some attacked him for being to pro prosecution and how there wouldnt be a trial if this wasnt mj etc. such comments coming from ppl who had no clue of the facts of the case and the actual negligent aspect of the charge
 
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