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Conrad Murray is requesting Bail Pending Appeal. [UPDATE] Request Denied

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elusive moonwalker said:
many of the gen public dont share that attitude. u only had to look at mcpartlans twitter on sky. how some attacked him for being to pro prosecution and how there wouldnt be a trial if this wasnt mj etc. such comments coming from ppl who had no clue of the facts of the case and the actual negligent aspect of the charge
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No offense elusive, but I don't call people who post on twitter the general public. Most people on twitter are attention seekers and tend to post things just to get attention. The same with people to a lesser extent who posts on message boards and forums.

When I think of the general public, I think of people I have actually talked to or people who may only have a passing knowledge of the case. Most I've talked to pretty much says that even if Michael was an addict and asked for drugs, Murray still had no business leaving him alone. What nails it for most people was what Murray did when he discovered Michael. Instead for calling for help right away, he tried to cover the crime. Although Michael could had been long dead at this point, he still should had given Michael some kind of fighting chance, if for nothing else than his family's peace.

Some may have negative feelings towards Michael, but they don't dismiss what Murray did and agree he should be in jail and lose his license.
 
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No offense elusive, but I don't call people who post on twitter the general public. Most people on twitter are attention seekers and tend to post things just to get attention. The same with people to a lesser extent who posts on message boards and forums.
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no offence taken. i say such things cause its the old thing of the pubic being brainwashed.like i said above about mj being subhuman hates his race blah blah blah. everything the media has done over the last 30 years or so was to turn the public off mj to the point of where he is even blamed for his own death.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
no offence taken. i say such things cause its the old thing of the pubic being brainwashed.like i said above about mj being subhuman hates his race blah blah blah. everything the media has done over the last 30 years or so was to turn the public off mj to the point of where he is even blamed for his own death.
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I do agree, but what I think what happened was a case of repeatedly being told the wrong information. As Michael himself said, if you hear a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.

For example, I went back and forward for years trying to decide if Michael's kids, Prince and Paris specially, were his bio children. The kids didn't really look like him and the skin color didn't strike me as bioracial. The fact that I heard that they weren't his for a number of years from different sources and people didn't help. It wasn't until I see them today that I've firmly made up my own mind of the subject.
 
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yes brainwashing of the masses. its been going on for years. those kids arent his beause he couldnt have sex cause hes a weirdo he couldnt be married cause who would love the weirdo he wants white kids cause hes ashamed of his race and bleached his skin. its continuas its gone on for years
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
yes brainwashing of the masses. its been going on for years. those kids arent his beause he couldnt have sex cause hes a weirdo he couldnt be married cause who would love the weirdo he wants white kids cause hes ashamed of his race and bleached his skin. its continuas its gone on for years
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Good point Elusive the brain washing still continues and even though some may hear something positive on lets say In Session, the average person is not tuning in systematically to In Session, for example, to hear about Michael. They are listening to the local TV channels or the newspaper who still maintain a slant. Even though they may say Muarry was wrong, they still will slide in something like, but Michael was an addict.

Even on that In Session, during the trial I heard the African American former prosecutor say that over the weekend people were asking her what she thought and she asked them what did they think. They returned with "but he was an addict." She did not say she told them that has nothing to do with what Muarry did or it has nothing to do with the allegations. Therefore, the public listening are left with that last comment from her about what the people were saying, and they form a conclusion that Michael is to be blamed. We have a culture where sadly many get their knowledge from the papers and newscasters rather than reading factual data.

I am still meeting people who heard incorrect information about Michael's death from the TV and still believe what they heard. The main reason is that they are not continuously seeking relevant information about Michael like we do, so the nonsense they hear still stick in their heads. That is why I will maintain that there are a significant number of average people out there who have incorrect information about the cause of Michael's death and Muarry's real role in it.
 
Petrarose said:
Good point Elusive the brain washing still continues and even though some may hear something positive on lets say In Session, the average person is not tuning in systematically to In Session, for example, to hear about Michael. They are listening to the local TV channels or the newspaper who still maintain a slant. Even though they may say Muarry was wrong, they still will slide in something like, but Michael was an addict.

Even on that In Session, during the trial I heard the African American former prosecutor say that over the weekend people were asking her what she thought and she asked them what did they think. They returned with "but he was an addict." She did not say she told them that has nothing to do with what Muarry did or it has nothing to do with the allegations. Therefore, the public listening are left with that last comment from her about what the people were saying, and they form a conclusion that Michael is to be blamed. We have a culture where sadly many get their knowledge from the papers and newscasters rather than reading factual data.

I am still meeting people who heard incorrect information about Michael's death from the TV and still believe what they heard. The main reason is that they are not continuously seeking relevant information about Michael like we do, so the nonsense they hear still stick in their heads. That is why I will maintain that there are a significant number of average people out there who have incorrect information about the cause of Michael's death and Muarry's real role in it.
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In fairness, Michael's family called him an addict long before the media. It also doesn't help that the family as a whole doesn't seem to care about Murray and put Michael's suppose problem on the forefront.
 
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qbee said:
When you are connvicted of a crime - you can appeal but its very unusual to be released while appealing your case. You usually have to prove your appeal before you can be released from your term. Especially for a crime that causes someones Death. The Judge already stated this is not a malpractice - and how seriosu he takes Murrays crime. So I dont see himor any other judge undermining Judge pastors decision. He will NOT allow Murray to be out on bail. No way No how - Im not worried in the least .. seems more like a publicity stunt for sympathy or his attorney just wants the publicity

Whaa Whaaa ... they are treating me like a Criminal
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Flanny wants the publicity.

I heard it was Judge Pastor they were asking for jail release, I'm not sure if that is actually true, though. That's what a source I read stated--if so, there's no way that's going to happen, lol.
 
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I don't think there's nothing new in Flanagan's defense. The meds dependence subject was brought up during the trial. This finances state was a constant subject in the papers. It's a weak argument, imo and hardly will convince the judge to release Murray from jail.
 
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If it's judge Pastor, then it might just give him more reasons to keep him in jail...
 
Ramona122003 said:
In fairness, Michael's family called him an addict long before the media. It also doesn't help that the family as a whole doesn't seem to care about Murray and put Michael's suppose problem on the forefront.
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Very true. they have alot to answer for
 
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kissybissy said:
I don't think there's nothing new in Flanagan's defense. The meds dependence subject was brought up during the trial. This finances state was a constant subject in the papers. It's a weak argument, imo and hardly will convince the judge to release Murray from jail.
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That's it. What is new here--nothing. They have to come up with some really good arguments, and the judge ruled on these issues before the trial began. One wonders where Flanny is getting this money to continue representing Muarry in these pleas.
 
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The nightmare never ends. once again i find myself looking to see if i have any work that day.
 
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I knew if he was found guilty that he wouldn't get much time for what he did. But when he was found guilty I had this huge feeling of relief come over me. Finally he was held accountable for what he did. Now the worry is back and I don't want him to get out sooner that he is suppose to now. It will feel like the trial meant nothing but it did mean something.
 
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I don't really care if he spends time in jail. I just want him to lose all opportunities to be a doctor.
 
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Well, I for one want him to spend time in jail. As much time as possible. I want him to wake up every morning knowing that he has yet another day to spend behind bars. I want his meals to be as bland and boring and starch filled as possible, I want him to wear shackles or handcuffs when he is taken anywhere. I want him to have all the time in the world to think about Michael, his 'good friend' Michael, and what he did to him. In fact, I wish Michael's music and voice could be piped into murray's cell around the clock. I want him to be miserable and angry and maybe, just maybe, he will do something stupid and either come to a bad end, if you know what I mean, or wind up in a state prison or mental hospital.

This entire appeal process is like reliving the runup to the trial. All the falsehoods and accusations will be trotted out in the media. On top of that, the decision by the family to not seek restitution thus opening the door for murray to make money from his crime after he does his time...well, it is starting to feel like a never ending nightmare.
 
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Severus Snape said:
Flanny wants the publicity.

I heard it was Judge Pastor they were asking for jail release, I'm not sure if that is actually true, though. That's what a source I read stated--if so, there's no way that's going to happen, lol.
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Well technically it would be logical of them to ask judge pastor for it since he was the judge for murray's case
 
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Murray must have been asleep during the trial if he thinks Judge Pastor will help him out with his appeal, or a get out of jail free card.
 
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Imo Murray would be more successful if he tries house arrest in a year within his sentence, which is a year before he gets parole. Now, I doubt...
 
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If he takes himself out of jail, does anybody worry someone will hurt him?? Maybe there is a fan who is mad at him, I think many people are mad, he will be in danger!!
 
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Unfortunatly no.
 
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AiNoShirushi said:
If he takes himself out of jail, does anybody worry someone will hurt him?? Maybe there is a fan who is mad at him, I think many people are mad, he will be in danger!!
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Say what?
 
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cinzia said:
This just makes me feel sick.
I don't doubt cm is 'sorrowful' about Michael's death just doesn't think it was anything to do with him, murray, I'll bet. I'm sure he's 'sorrowful' about all that lovely loot he didn't get from Michael and the trip to London and all the nice perks he lost as result of his negligence, etc.

Reading what flanazapam had to say, well, what is new here? Just more of the same old blame Michael, again and again and again. AND what's with the 'uncooperative patient' who made demands etc. Murray was so mindless that he couldn't say NO??
Nothing new here.
I say put him in with the general prison population. Let's see what happens then.
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I couldn't agree more. I'm sure he is very sorry ..that he was found guilty and jailed...I'm not seeing the remorse at all. To quote a thesaurus, where is the shame, guilt, repentance, contrition, penitence, self-reproach and guilty conscience?

Nowhere, thats where.
 
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Diplomate said:
What? Flanagans is still a lawyer? I can't believe it!
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Why, it's not surprising. The case is impossible to win, and believe it or not Flanagan is a competent lawyer given his history. You may not like him [and I admittedly have my issues with him], but facts are facts.

(Tell me: do you think YOU could have done a better job? The case as a Homeric undertaking, to such a degree that were we to reverse the roles with Chernoff, Flanagan, and Baldylocks being prosecution and Walgren and Brazil defending Murray, we'd have the same outcome--the case was unwinnable because of the degree of Murray's disregard for his patient's life and failure to properly respond to an emergency, not because Chernoff & Co. are incompetent lawyers [they are not]).

As for the whole "blaming the victim" bit--he is a lawyer filing for appeal, and visibly scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything to throw at the judge in hopes something will be picked up. It's a hard case with an uncooperative defendant. There's not much anyone could say, and I don't think they're going to get an appeal in any case.

Whether Flanagan likes it or not, there were very little mistakes made and Murray DID get a fair trial. None of the points he has brought up in his document [which someone has posted on another thread] hold any value save for sequestration of jury, which I highly doubt would have affected the outcome anyway. But he is a lawyer, he has to try and appeal for his client, it's standard procedure. I don't know why the lot of you are so surprised over it. I expected it.

I also expect this motion for appeal to be turned down, simply because it is not presented in an impressive enough manner so as to warrant an appeal. Judge Pastor will also most likely be the one to ultimately decide whether or not they get an appeal, and I highly doubt he'll be a sympathetic audience after all the crap Murray has pulled. So, we'll hear him reject it and Murray will go back to eating cheese sandwiches for another year or so.

I think it is f--ed up he gets equivalent/less time for killing a man than some people get for shoplifting or other misdemeanours, but the law is what it is and we have to accept it. The law also permits for appeals to be filed, and if it were you sitting in jail for a given crime, you'd want to file an appeal as well and your lawyer would help you do it, even if the motion [as in this case] is absurd and borderline redundant. It's the way things are done.
 
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God, the little b******* is causing misery whether out of or in jail!!! Hopefully up against Pastor - he stands NO CHANCE in hell if so - lets keep fingers crossed so long as the Jackson family doesn't suddenly decide he's "suffered enough"!! :censored:
 
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^None at all, if it's Pastor. I hope it's Pastor.
 
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It is my understanding that Nareg Gourjian is doing most of the work "behind the scenes" on Murray's appeal these days.

Michael Jackson Doctor Conrad Murray Files Appeal

Murray will represent himself as he contests involuntary manslaughter conviction for which he faces up to four years in state prison.
By Kara Warner

As expected, Conrad Murray has filed an appeal to challenge his involuntary manslaughter conviction. According toTMZ, Murray filed the petition in pro per, which means he has decided to forego hiring legal representation and represent himself. He reportedly listed "Men's Central Jail" and his booking number in the space on the appeal document where a lawyer would normally list a firm's name or contact information. TMZ also reported that although Murray seems to be without a lawyer, he is still in communication with Nareg Gourjian, one of the attorneys who represented him during his manslaughter trial. "This case presents a gold mine of issues for any appellate lawyer," Gourjian told TMZ. "Dr. Murray is confident that the Court of Appeal will vindicate him." Following the guilty verdict, Murray's lead defense lawyer Ed Chernoff told CNN, "What matters most right now is trying to keep Dr. Murray from taking up a prison cell in this community. That's what we're focusing on right now, and we'll deal with an appeal after that." Murray was sentenced to four years in jail but due to overcrowding, he's unlikely to serve his full term.

http://mtvbuzztoday.blogspot.com/2012/02/michael-jackson-doctor-conrad-murray.html
 
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^Wouldn't be surprised if that were true. I always thought Gourjian was the 'behind-the-scenes' bloke, you know? Something sinister about that shiny bald head of his... And he seems methodical. Although afaik Flanagan is still involved in the case, though he will not be part of the appeal because *insert self-important tone here* he does not handle appeals. The only one who hasn't been heard from is Tinker Bell, I mean, Chernoff. But then again I heard he basically went baroque over the case, dunno if that's at all true. He went on a skiing vacation recently...
 
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Baldy and flannagan personally hate mj imo thats why they wont let this drop
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Baldy and flannagan personally hate mj imo thats why they wont let this drop
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LMFAO. No. They love the exposure. That's why they took this in the first place. You have to remember not everyone cares about Michael either way as much as we do, and while they might each have their opinion, work is work. They won't let this drop because it's a high-profile case and Murray hasn't been either granted or rejected re: appeal. Flanagan already said he's not going to be part of the appeal, I have no idea about Baldylocks tbh.

@TwinklEE: Chernoff didn't "know when to quit." He quit basically when it became too much of a strain to continue the case. You have to remember he's both out-of-state and smaller in prominence than both Gourjian and Flanagan, who can afford to stretch this out a bit more for their own purposes (and he also has a wife and toddler son at home, whom he can't leave longer than he already did, presumably). If Chernoff could afford it, no doubt he'd still be in this mess as well.

@Both: I know it's hard to swallow, but the world doesn't revolve around MJ. If their rationale was pure hatred against MJ or whatever, they would have done more and a long time ago. They're in it for their own conceited reasons, and that is all. They don't appear to care about Murray, and they certainly don't care about Michael.

-cough- Also, it's Flanagan, with only one "n." Baldy, however, is spelled perfectly. Sinister bald head. Yuck. Lol. -cough-

Oh and Flanagan dragged out Britney Spears' case also, seems to be kind of his thing, of course for free exposure, again. Unless you lot want to make the argument he LOOOOVES Britney Spears (or hates people who hate her), in which case I think I might hate him a bit less. Gotta admire a man brave enough to like Britney Spears. Lol.

*runs away, because these colours run*
 
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