Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

ILoveHIStory · Feb 17, 2019

Wow read the thread of the tweets, what a b!tch that Maureen is...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">But since we're nothing more than "MJ truthers" and <a href="https://twitter.com/maureendowd?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@maureendowd</a> is sharing screen shots of our tweets to prove some "point". <br><br>A thread. <br><br>"Maureen Dowd, one of America's most respected journalists, has been accused of plagiarism." <a href="https://t.co/J5tYMK7coG">https://t.co/J5tYMK7coG</a></p>— ithl123 (@ithl123) <a href="https://twitter.com/ithl123/status/1096926139229093889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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ILoveHIStory · Feb 17, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have received over a thousand abusive tweets in the last few days from MJ fans. They have been conned by him, too. The world will change in 3 weeks time.</p>— &#55356;&#57331;️*&#55356;&#57096;&#55356;&#56810;&#55356;&#56826; Matt Lucas (@RealMattLucas) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMattLucas/status/1097106367754563589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona · Feb 18, 2019

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Resa said:
I see many people responding without MJ pictures or names, we still don't get listened to and get called MJ apologists.

I can confirm this for Youtube too. The most peple who say they don't belive Wade, MJ is innocent or defend MJ there in the last weeks have no MJ related name or Picture.

But ILoveHIStory is right when she says it is the best to chanage the profile in something not MJ related in these day.
I won't do this cause I build an MJ related channel on YouTube with important video matirial.

dmehta · Feb 18, 2019

A few things for all of us to remember during this distressing time. There is so much noise around MJ that people tend to become immune to it. Almost nothing that is being talked about today by these tabloids hacks hasn’t already been printed over and over again for the last 26 years. A lot of people don’t know what to believe. Some are convinced he’s guilty and many others believe he was innocent. Another 100 or 1000 tabloid articles won’t change that.

The doc however is different - graphic onscreen testimony by two men. I do wonder what the next moves are for the Estate to trash W&J’s credibility. The letters won’t be enough.

myosotis · Feb 18, 2019

ILoveHIStory;4241531 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have received over a thousand abusive tweets in the last few days from MJ fans. They have been conned by him, too. The world will change in 3 weeks time.</p>— ��️*������ Matt Lucas (@RealMattLucas) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMattLucas/status/1097106367754563589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Interesting that Lucas (an un-funny UK 'comedian') says that he has received 'over a thousand abusive tweets'. I don't think I've seen many 'abusive' tweets at all. Most people are sending him links to MJ factual rebuttal vids etc. These people (like Lucas) add lies to lies.
They certainly don't accept that fans have actually read the court docs. They seem to think that the NL film will be some kind of surprise / shock to us.

ILoveHIStory · Feb 18, 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> I found + posted this yesterday. Tho it evolves around Chandler it is also loaded w/ relevant, specific, "short bursts" of facts that pertain to WR & JS...helping to discredit both of their stated "timelines". <a href="https://t.co/ckfjHgpfx2">https://t.co/ckfjHgpfx2</a></p>— Angie Kincade-Chizum (@AngelaLeeChizum) <a href="https://twitter.com/AngelaLeeChizum/status/1096110002962604032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Among other things: https://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/chandler-timeline/

December 7, 1993 Adrian McManus was deposed regarding the Jordan Chandler’s case. She said she never witnessed sexually inappropriate acts by Michael Jackson and that she would leave her own son with him. She changed her story a year later (in a December 2, 1994 deposition) when she joined the security guards suit. A co-worker of McManus, Francine Contreras, labeled her a liar and a thief in her 2005 testimony. Among other things, she said that Adrian McManus never told her anything negative about the singer and that she had witnessed the maid stealing on the job.

December 10 1993 – Victor Gutierrez tells Chilean press El Tiempo that MJ sexually abused two Chilean boys.

December 15, 1993 – Blanca Francia, who worked for Jackson as a maid between 1988 and 1991, appears on Hard Copy and claims she saw Jackson showering naked with a young boy. (This claim will be discredited by the boy – or by that time young man -, Wade Robson himself at Jackson’s 2005 trial.) Francia also said she suspected her own son too was molested by Jackson. Francia got paid $20,000 for her story by Hard Copy. Francia never reported the molestations she allegedly witnessed or suspected to authorities. In fact, in a deposition she gave to the police she says she never saw Jackson shower with anybody or molest anybody.

December 20, 1993 – A search warrant is issued for Jackson’s body. Michael Jackson is strip searched. His genitalia and body is photographed and videotaped by authorities to compare them with the description the accuser gave of Jackson’s private parts. Jackson is not arrested.

December 27, 1993 Victor calls up the FBI telling them he’s a Mormon writer working on a book about Jackson and tell them that he has information that they, the FBI, had investigated Jackson in 1985 or 1986 for reportedly molesting two Mexican boys and that this investigation had been covered up because Jackson had been receiving an award from the president, which was actually in 1984. The FBI checked their indices and could find no such investigation or reports on any of their files.

On December 17th in Chile Victor had told the media there that Jackson had sexually abused two Chilean boys; 10 days later and a call to the FBI and the boys had become Mexican. It would seem he was trying to establish some kind of investigation into abuse of two Hispanic boys in order to establish credibility with his earlier claims.

28th December 1993 National Enquirer, Michael Bombshell: 2 more boys tell cops they were molested [cover] –Michael Jackson Scandal – 2 more boys accuse him –Why Oprah has kept silent about her pal Michael

December 1993 – January, 1994 – The law enforcement officials of Santa Barbara after months of investigation, interviewing dozens of children and still unable to find another “victim” are pressuring the son of Blanca Francia (the maid who, for $20,000 claimed on Hard Copy that she saw Jackson showering with Wade Robson) to say something incriminating about Jackson. The boy, Jason Francia, is first interviewed in December then again in January. The police interviews him and makes phone calls to him when his mother is not at home. Initially the boy denies anything inappropriate has ever been done to him by Jackson. After much pressuring, leading questions and emotional blackmail (among others the police lying to him about other boys, such as Macaulay Culkin, being molested by Jackson and suggesting that they can only help them if Francia corroborates) the boy finally gives in and says what the prosecutors want to hear: he says Jackson tickled him three times over his clothes while inappropriately touched his genitalia.

January 4-5, 1994 – Larry Feldman files a motion in which he gives Jackson a multiple choice request: Jackson may provide copies of the police photograph made of his body, submit to a second search or the court may bar the photographs from the civil trial as evidence.

January 10 1994 Larry asks the court for access to Michael’s financial records. Lawyer Seeks Jackson Financial Records : Investigation: Attorney for the boy allegedly molested by the singer files partial transcripts of depositions telling of bedroom activity and photos. Jackson’s counsel says the papers misrepresent sworn statements.

January 14, 1994 – Judge postpones Jackson’s deposition scheduled for January 18 and two hearings on whether Jackson would be compelled to answer the written questions submitted by Feldman and whether Feldman was entitled to the photos of Jackson’s body search. The hearings were rescheduled for January 25 and Jackson was ordered to give his deposition between January 25 and February 1.

January 24, 1994 – Prosecutors office announces that they decline to file charges against Evan Chandler, the father of Jackson’s accuser, for extortion.

January 25, 1994 – The civil lawsuit is settled out of court between Jackson and the accuser and his family. The total amount paid to the Chandlers is $15,331,250. The criminal investigation is going on. Both sides stated – and it’s also stated in the settlement itself – that the settlement is in no way an admission of any guilt by Michael Jackson. Both sides pointed out that the criminal investigation was going on. Los Angeles District Attorney, Gil Garcetti also maintained that the settlement did not affect the criminal investigation. The settlement also did not prevent the boy testifying in any criminal case. (In fact, for the 2005 trial of Jackson he was asked by the prosecution to testify which he declined.)

January 31, 1994 – About a week after the settlement Gil Garcetti announces that he would seek to change the law in California to force the boy to testify. According to Californian law at the time in sex crime cases the state could not compel testimony from juveniles. Eventually this law got changed, exactly because of the Chandlers, so later on an accuser in a sexual assault case was compelled to give testimony in a criminal trial and could not go for a civil lawsuit right away. The new law also forbade the civil trial to precede the criminal trial. This is why Jackson’s 2003 accuser had no choice but go to a criminal trial first.

February-April, 1994 – Santa Barbara and Los Angeles Grand Jury hearings. Both Grand Juries disband without indicting Jackson.

March 22 1994 Story in the papers about how a father, Gary Ramona, was suing therapists who had used the drug sodium amytal on his daughter, Holly, under the influence of which she suddenly remembered that he had sexually abused her, this was in spite of repeated medical exams as a child which showed she had not been abused.

May 3rd 1994 Harvey Levin at KCBS-TV in LA reported that Evan Chandler had used the controversial drug sodium amytal on his son in order to get the supposed confession, but the dentist claimed he did so only to pull his son’s tooth. Mary Fischer would later confirm a lawyer associated to the Chandler’s had told her the same thing. Testimony under this drug is considered inadmissible in court, which would mean Jordan could not testify.

May 9 and 10, 1994, Hard Copy invited as guests the paid tell all ex-employees and excerpts from Evan Chandler’s diary were read. Chandler confirms the $20 million and extortion and admits that when Jackson didn’t pay he then sent Jordan to Dr. Abrams, knowing that he was obligated by law to inform the police

June 15th 1994 and December 15th 1994 – Evan receives his money from Jackson’s insurance.

September 21, 1994 an official statement was made by Tom Sneddon and Gil Garcetti regarding the status of the investigation. They said they interviewed over 400 people, including children that denied any inappropriate contact, and 30 of these people testified in 2 grand juries. In their joint statement they admitted they had no evidence against Michael Jackson and therefore they could not file charges. Their only witness informed them on July 6, 1994 that he didn’t want to testify, and they quoted him “I am sorry, I do not want to and I will not testify”

Gil Garcetti admitted that the 18-month investigation didn’t lead to anything incriminating. Tom Sneddon was too embarrassed to admit that the witch hunt, with the 6 search warrants, 2 grand juries and hundreds of witnesses lead to nothing

September 22, 1994 Los Angeles County District Attorney Gil Garletti and Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon announced that after a 13-month investigation in which 400 witnesses were interviewed, no charges would be filedagainst Michael Jackson. They state this is because Jordan Chandler refuses to testify.

December 16, 1994 Hard Copy referred to Blanca Francia and her son asking for a settlement –after Michael’s lawyers rejected her proposal–To pressure Jackson the story was also reported in late January 1995 in British tabloids and New York Daily News.

January 5, 1995 Diane Dimond calls the Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s office. The LA county DA receives information that a videotape existed depicting Michael Jackson engaged in sexual contact with a minor, and that Gutierrez, a freelance journalist who reports on appellant’s activities, had seen this videotape. – The investigation is concluded within a day.

January 6th 1995 – Nathalie Chandler goes on hiatus from her legal career.

January 8, 1995 Diane Dimond video tapes an interview with Victor Gutierrez. (Filed under seal 3/13/97 in court case)

January 9th 1995 – Diane Dimond alleges on The KABC-AM Radio Broadcast that a videotape exists of Michael molesting Jeremy Jackson, her source for this is Victor Gutierrez, “one of her best sources.” Again she says of him, “I have never had a doubt about this person, ever.” And “And, I have to tell you, if my source is correct, who has seen this tape, and again, he always has been. The acts that are being performed on that tape are exactly what the accuser a year ago said Michael Jackson did to him.” Third Voice [apparently Gutierrez]:  “[Unintelligible] ․ the tape, there is no doubt about it.

January 12th 1995 – Jackson sues Diane Dimond and Victor Gutierrez over the nonexistent tape.

April 27th of 1995 Diane Dimond airs Hard Copy TV show about Rodney Allen and the street kid who alleged molestation against Jackson.

June 14th 1995 – Sneddon prepares Diane Sawyer for 3 hours in order for her to question Michael on her show.

June 1995 Evan’s brother, Ray gave an interview to Entertainment Weekly in which he said that the Chandlers love Michael and they bare him no ill will.

July 4, 1995 – Globe Magazine reports that Jordan Chandler has emancipated himself from his parents. Source looks to be Victor Gutierrez. Claims he emancipated because his family is too greedy.

August 19, 1995 Reports that Sneddon had twice contacted Presley’s mother, Priscilla, for information about Jackson’s relationships with young boys.

August 23, 1995 Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon told Maureen Orth that the case against Jackson was only in suspension, and not over.

October 15, 1996, Judge Dunn ruled that Gutierrez’s story was false and that he had acted with malice and was therefore liable for presumed and punitive damages. The amount of which would be determined at a later date.

October 9, 2003 ABC seeking “Abstract of judgment” from Evan Chandler for $31,307.07.( the original judgment plus interest) They were still seeking the costs from the court case, Evan hadn’t paid. November 2003, when Jackson was accused of child molestation for a second time, Gutierrez began giving interviews about the case to Chilean newspapers. He claimed that the new set of allegations validated the contents of his book and as a result, Jackson had defamed his character and now owed him money. Gutierrez even went so far as to say that Jackson’s 2,700-acre ranch would soon be his. During an interview with La Cuarta, Gutierrez alleged that Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon had contacted him about being a potential witness in the current case against Jackson. A week later, a member of the District Attorney’s office contacted La Cuarta to refute those claims

Late 2003 in his home country Chile, Victor Gutierrez published an article in which he linked a politician of a right-wing political party to a pedophile ring. Gutierrez’s article gave a detailed description of what allegedly went on in the house of a businessman, Claudio Spiniak, who was arrested just a few days earlier for operating a pedophile ring, and claimed that a senator of the Alliance for Chile (a coalition of right-wing political parties) participated in those pedophile orgies. Gutierrez did not name the politician in his article but alleged that the senator’s name was given to authorities. Later in an interview conducted by Gutierrez for a TV program, a minor boy, a street child, claimed to have seen a well-known right-wing politician at Spiniak’s orgies. The boy later retracted his claim and it was revealed that Gutierrez paid him 10,000 to 20,000 Chilean pesos.

Early 2004, Gutierrez was offered $25, 000 a month from Dateline NBC to cover the Jackson case. He accepted the offer and became a consulting producer for the news program.

February, 2004 Gutierrez’s lawyer acknowledged the payment to the child but claimed it was only a “humanitarian gesture”, not something given in exchange for the interview and false accusations. Authorities could not find any link between the pedophile ring and any politician of the party accused by Gutierrez but the rumors were enough to tarnish the public image of the right-wing coalition and certain politicians.

2005 Dateline NBC aired a report entitled “Inside the Michael Jackson Case”; the credits reveal that Gutierrez was the consulting producer for the program.

2008 Gutierrez was sentenced to 61 days in jail and ordered to pay 30 million Chilean pesos (approximately $60,000) to former Miss Universe, the ex-wife of Argentina’s former president, Carlos Menem, Cecilia Bolocco for untrue and slanderous claims he made about her private life. This was considered a precedent, the highest amount of compensation ever awarded in this type of case in Chile

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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Resa said:
The author posted the link to the article on Twitter last night. She was rebutted by many with the facts. Then she tweeted calling people who offered rebuttal to her article MJ Truthers. She also posted that painting of Michael surrounded by Cherubs as proof that he was a pedophile.

well, she can call us MJ truthers because we deal in the truth. And Cherubs, MJ showed that on Martin Bashiar, if he was a pedo, MJ would never do that. MJ loved art; and for the record, people had Cherubs in their home, on their bed poles, pictures hanging up, etc. She is a dumb @$$. I guess the people who have cherbus in their yard are pedos as well. Someone need to tell that fool that. Again, I think these kind of people are revealing something about themselves.

KOPV · Feb 18, 2019

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With all the info we have, it's crazy to imagine any singular docuseries capturing all that I find important in there.. I am so looking forward to what Taj is working on, Im just beyond curious what will really be included.

ILoveHIStory · Feb 18, 2019

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Three Stooges (Dimond, Gutierrez, and Allen)

https://turningthetableonthechandle.../24/three-stooges-dimond-gutierrez-and-allen/

... and in 2019..., the HIStory is repeating, the same players, in the very same filthy game by the very same people involved and played by the very same (tabloidish) filthy rules

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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KOPV said:
Its frightning how 'professionals' can get articles approved for release with these type of misinformed stories.

It is only certain ones and the same people who have been chasing MJ. And that Matt guy was clearly NEVER no fan of MJ. if he was really a fan, he would look at the facts but he is scared even Maureen. That got some kind of investiment in this. You can be it. Something is not right about them.

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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Resa said:
I see many people responding without MJ pictures or names, we still don't get listened to and get called MJ apologists.

Regardless, cover your bases.

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
The sad thing is that the media has stayed running with the secret closet/room and alarm system in bedroom shit for years, so when people hear about it during LN they won't know what it's really about. They don't get it in the right context.

That would be really nice to see for a change. Tabloids will stay doing what they've been doing but if maybe NBC or CNN could actually start to dissect things, that would get the truth out to be public about these two liars.

Do you know who first found out that Jussie may have been lying? Who came forward with their doubts first? Because I do recall that initially he was seen as the victim, people sympathizing with him etc.

I do not know who to pin point but it started last week, then when they found the guys and other stuff, it turned even more Friday. And yes, I hope CNN and other dissect it. If you look, those network are not talking about this document and you can believe now they are really going to be careful.

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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ILoveHIStory said:
Latoya Jackson HUGS Victor Gutierrez!
This "interview" was on March 17th, 2010.

halloooooooo

This is another example how dangerous those Jacksons are, they are out of reality, they do not know a f*ck about anything about the people behind the things of accusations.

Like LaToya, like Jermaine... and Rebbie ... they are really damaging everything about MJ, if I was a lawyer like TMez, I would ban them from anything MJ related, no interview, no statements...

They can tweet about bs, but have zero knowledge about the real facts and people who is who.

Did anyone tell latoya that was who she was hugging on twitter or did she though she was just hugging a fan.

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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KOPV said:
With all the info we have, it's crazy to imagine any singular docuseries capturing all that I find important in there.. I am so looking forward to what Taj is working on, Im just beyond curious what will really be included.

And some of these so called journalist need to be put on blast for their bias in the piece as well. Notice Maureen do not screenshot people who are presenting court facts and shots to her about MJ's innocence.

terrell · Feb 18, 2019

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he sad thing is that the media has stayed running with the secret closet/room and alarm system in bedroom shit for years, so when people hear about it during LN they won't know what it's really about. They don't get it in the right context.

And that was no secret room. That room was on the home when he brought it and this was discussed in 1993. Also, MJ talked about having a small room in his book "moonwalker" about having putting dolls that he was given from people and around the world and hope to give his daughter the dolls if he ever have a daughter.

Lightbringer · Feb 18, 2019

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Some random insane thoughts from me in the midst of this shitstorm:

In 2003, Michael Jackson needed a lawyer to win a court case, not a media war - so Mark Geragos was fired.

This time around Michael Jacksons legacy will be a war VS the media and public perception.- who is going to fight in his corner besides the fans?

I want somebody to be in Michael corner and just DESTROY anybody in sight. The estate needs to do something more than sending letters! When this mockumentary airs we need people appearing on TV shows, doing interviews in papers to counter the lies!

In this MAD world Mark Geragos words suddenly seem reasonable:
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Mr. Geragos:

"I also want to make one other statement and make it unequivocally clear. Michael Jackson is not going to be abused. Michael Jackson is not going to be slammed. Is not going to be a pinata for every person who has financial motives.

This is this man's life. This is his family's life. These are scurrilous accusations. We are going to, and I've been given authority, we will land on you like a ton of bricks. We will land on you like a hammer, if you do anything to besmirch this man's reputation, anything to intrude on his privacy in any way that's actionable. We will unleash a legal torrent like you have never seen."

CaptainEoLove85 · Feb 18, 2019

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I think what would be great is once Leaving Neverland comes out is to take clips from it and place it side by side clips that disprove each lie that is stated, and make it into a YouTube video. I think that would be very effective. Like Clue

pierpinto1 · Feb 18, 2019

ILoveHIStory;4241530 said:
Wow read the thread of the tweets, what a b!tch that Maureen is...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">But since we're nothing more than "MJ truthers" and <a href="https://twitter.com/maureendowd?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@maureendowd</a> is sharing screen shots of our tweets to prove some "point". <br><br>A thread. <br><br>"Maureen Dowd, one of America's most respected journalists, has been accused of plagiarism." <a href="https://t.co/J5tYMK7coG">https://t.co/J5tYMK7coG</a></p>— ithl123 (@ithl123) <a href="https://twitter.com/ithl123/status/1096926139229093889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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That fella destroyed that ****ing witch.

elusive moonwalker · Feb 18, 2019

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So crazy maureen orth is still around. The woman who spread stories about mj bathing in cows blood amongst other things. Married to a top NBC presenter (now dead) dumb cow pointing out guiterrez as the source. She was one of the biggest haters during 03-05 spreading victors crap

? i guess like sneddon thinking mjs anne geddes posters were child porn.thats all they got a poster of mj with cherubs. Do they even realise how pathetic they are.covering for their "friends" in hollywood

ozemouze · Feb 18, 2019

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myosotis said:
Actually, I see Reed as the monster in this case. R&S were bad enough on their own, but Reed has encouraged them to make complete fools of themselves in public, all over the world. They could have quietly crept away after losing their appeal, and only fans would know. Now every tabloid paper and media channel in every country is watching them.

I agree. But the most alarming thing is that HBO and other mainstream channels give platform to this filth.

Also it shows how easy it become to create a case out of nothing. R&S's stories are so unfounded they weren't really picked up even by tabloids at the time. Still some years later we are here in this mess and all they had to do was to orchestrate it better.

I guess most people doesn't really care, not realising how dangerous it is, and how it's not just about MJ. If this passes now without serious criticism, it can be done to anyone in the future. The fact that it is shown without any rebuttal possibility is already quite frightening.

ozemouze · Feb 18, 2019

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myosotis said:
Interesting that Lucas (an un-funny UK 'comedian') says that he has received 'over a thousand abusive tweets'. I don't think I've seen many 'abusive' tweets at all. Most people are sending him links to MJ factual rebuttal vids etc. These people (like Lucas) add lies to lies.
They certainly don't accept that fans have actually read the court docs. They seem to think that the NL film will be some kind of surprise / shock to us.

Well I found Little Brittain funny, so it's an obvious disappointment for me. I thought it's the usual "people failing the MJ IQ test" case, but no, he flat-out lies in order to push his agenda.

They certainly don't accept that fans have actually read the court docs.

Very telling, why should journalists believe we read them, when obviously they didn't bother. They failed to do their job correctly, and can't even imagine others in their spare time would do it instead of them.

Staffordshire Bullterrier · Feb 18, 2019

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terrell said:
he sad thing is that the media has stayed running with the secret closet/room and alarm system in bedroom shit for years, so when people hear about it during LN they won't know what it's really about. They don't get it in the right context.

And that was no secret room. That room was on the home when he brought it and this was discussed in 1993. Also, MJ talked about having a small room in his book "moonwalker" about having putting dolls that he was given from people and around the world and hope to give his daughter the dolls if he ever have a daughter.

Poor guy, the more I hear these things again the more I start to realize even more how bad this man had it. His intentions were only the right kind of intentions, straight from the heart. That's why as he said it himself he doesn't go around in front of cameras bragging about doing something for charities, because it comes from the heart. It just shows what a incredibly strong person he was, to be able to withstand all of that. To be accused of the worst kind of thing you, especially he, can be accused of with the kind of scrutiny by the media.

And sure, he was naive, seemed to see only good in people and yeah, while he had no evil or sick intentions at all sharing your bed with children that aren't yours is asking for trouble especially when it comes to some adults who will see money in anything. I find it telling how a lot of people act disgusted and go "guilty as ****" when the sharing of the bed was mentioned. Because their mind goes straight to "now you tell me he didn't do anything." in turn I'm sure these people would say about us that we are naive and only can see nothing evil in this because we are fans. Meh, **** those people.

dmehta · Feb 18, 2019

myosotis;4241534 said:
Interesting that Lucas (an un-funny UK 'comedian') says that he has received 'over a thousand abusive tweets'. I don't think I've seen many 'abusive' tweets at all. Most people are sending him links to MJ factual rebuttal vids etc. These people (like Lucas) add lies to lies.
They certainly don't accept that fans have actually read the court docs. They seem to think that the NL film will be some kind of surprise / shock to us.

Lucas is now a fairly washed up comedian who had one big hit with Little Britain. He is pretty irrelevant.

However, he’s following the same line as everyone else on Twitter with this story whereby they can’t/won’t engage in a discussion regarding the facts that are presented to them. It’s easier for them to just watch a documentary and believe everything they hear at face value rather than take the time and effort to apply a little bit of critical thinking and investigate the credibility (or lack thereof) of Wade and James.

I cant imagine there are two accusers out there where we have so much evidence detailing their changing stories, motives and lies. Yet when it comes to MJ, the media literally scrape the barrel and throw out all journalistic ethics. Journalism can be good, it can be bad and when it comes to MJ it becomes diabolical. He isn’t a human being in their eyes, just a freak they can leech off of.

SmoothGangsta · Feb 18, 2019

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I can't believe the estate are asking fans to use MJtruthsquad as a hashtag on twitter. If they're trying to make fans look non credible then they're doing a great job.

pierpinto1 · Feb 18, 2019

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
P I find it telling how a lot of people act disgusted and go "guilty as ****" when the sharing of the bed was mentioned. Because their mind goes straight to "now you tell me he didn't do anything." in turn I'm sure these people would say about us that we are naive and only can see nothing evil in this because we are fans. Meh, **** those people.

Because those are people projecting their inward ugliness onto someone else.
They are talking about themselves. That's what really are doing.

ozemouze · Feb 18, 2019

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Now the method of the twitter haters called out on their ignorance seem to be attacking the fans. I think it's also orchestrated (attack the person in order to distract from the content), and sadly it will work. Expect articles about "crazy MJ fans" again. :/

SmoothGangsta · Feb 18, 2019

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

ozemouze said:
Now the method of the twitter haters called out on their ignorance seem to be attacking the fans. I think it's also orchestrated (attack the person in order to distract from the content), and sadly it will work. Expect articles about "crazy MJ fans" again. :/

I mean I really wouldn't blame them when the estate thinks using #MJTruthSquad is an appropriate way to convince people to listen to you.

VaNiL · Feb 18, 2019

Emmanuel Lewis just replied to me on Twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="es"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t usually pay attention to allegations anymore. You know how long this stuff has been going on? Decades!! Fabrication of lies with one real intent $$$. RIH MJJ</p>— Emmanuel Lewis (@TheReal_ELewis) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheReal_ELewis/status/1097457215294922752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18 de febrero de 2019</a></blockquote>
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ozemouze · Feb 18, 2019

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

SmoothGangsta said:
I mean I really wouldn't blame them when the estate thinks using #MJTruthSquad is an appropriate way to convince people to listen to you.

The Estate's idea is bad, but it has nothing to do with this phenomenon of ad hominem responses from those 'influencers' who are confronted with facts, please don't mix it together.

ozemouze · Feb 18, 2019

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ILoveHIStory said:
Among other things: https://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/chandler-timeline/

And these are only the facts that could be collected by information already made public. What could be found out about Victor Gutierrez & co. if some serious journalist started to investigate him further...

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