Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Laurendaccio]

I send an Email to the Estate about the official social media
The Estate has elected to keep Michael’s social media focused on the TRUTH about Michael Jackson, and not a space to react to the lies in the forthcoming documentary. Part of the reason is Michael has over 75 million followers on social media - none of the networks broadcasting this come even close to that. Why would it benefit Michael to bring the documentary to the attention to even MORE people, offering it free publicity?

It is the Estate’s job to keep in mind an objective view and execute a strategy that best benefits Michael both now and for generations to come, and acknowledging the documentary on Michael’s social pages does not achieve that objective.

They have a point .

 

[MJRemixed]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The estate are spot on with that. They are handling it correctly. They know what they are doing. Notice all the recents posts have been focused and reminding the world all the good mj did when he was alive.

 

[dmehta]

I send an Email to the Estate about the official social media
The Estate has elected to keep Michael’s social media focused on the TRUTH about Michael Jackson, and not a space to react to the lies in the forthcoming documentary. Part of the reason is Michael has over 75 million followers on social media - none of the networks broadcasting this come even close to that. Why would it benefit Michael to bring the documentary to the attention to even MORE people, offering it free publicity?

It is the Estate’s job to keep in mind an objective view and execute a strategy that best benefits Michael both now and for generations to come, and acknowledging the documentary on Michael’s social pages does not achieve that objective.

I agree with them. There are other ways they should be attacking this. Just like Reed/Wade/Jimmy have been touring the tv studios, Branca/Weitzman need to do the same.

 

[mjbunny]

If I remember right I think it was TVNZ1? I don’t really watch TV but I think that was the channel I read. Unsure on the dates, might of been the 14th and 15th. I found a LONG article about it on the stuff website.

I'm trying to keep track of dates and times because we're organizing group prayers/meditations. (Yes, I know that sounds silly to a lot of you, but why not throw every single thing we've got against it, this, that and everything, you know?) Anyway... I found this for New Zealand:

LN will air Sunday March 10 and Monday March 11 at 8.30pm on TVNZ 1, and on TVNZ OnDemand from March 10.

Also, I think the Australia dates are off by a day on the list (sorry, can't remember who made it). On the Channel 10 website it said March 8 (9:00pm) and March 9 (9:30pm).

Channel 4 are FURIOUS about the poster campaign in London!! Hahaha..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...l-Jackson-innocent-launched-London-buses.html

The double standards are of epic proportions.

And you've gotta love their usual daily FAIL at reporting. Taj did it? Um, yeah, no. This quote from the Channel 4 "head of news and current affairs" is infuriating:

'We are surprised that TFL have chosen to run adverts that defend a man who has had serious allegations of sexual abuse made against him. We are not clear how TFL think parents will explain these adverts to their children.’

Really? Really? Maybe explain to the children that accusation doesn't equal guilt, that sleezy tabloid "documentaries" are probably lying to them, that they should EDUCATE themselves as much as possible on a topic before leaping to unfounded conclusions? I mean, just for starters. Unbelievable.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I send an Email to the Estate about the official social media
The Estate has elected to keep Michael’s social media focused on the TRUTH about Michael Jackson, and not a space to react to the lies in the forthcoming documentary. Part of the reason is Michael has over 75 million followers on social media - none of the networks broadcasting this come even close to that. Why would it benefit Michael to bring the documentary to the attention to even MORE people, offering it free publicity?

It is the Estate’s job to keep in mind an objective view and execute a strategy that best benefits Michael both now and for generations to come, and acknowledging the documentary on Michael’s social pages does not achieve that objective.

This exectly the reson why Janet stays also silent on her accounts and can't support there Taj or anyone linked to LN.
She didn't want promote it in any way.

 

[MJ UNITED]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

i think the estate is NOT DOING what should be done.
-Sue Oprah
-Sue those 2 scammers
-Hire the best PR firm
-Try to block the doc from airing to a judge.
-Promise exclusive MJ content to any unbiased medias

But hey, the estate is the one who sold ATV, what can we expect from those crooks? NADA. Just some letters here and there...

 

[1nn5]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

This exectly the reson why Janet stays also silent on her accounts and can't support there Taj or anyone linked to LN.
She didn't want promote it in any way.

What they said about social media didn't convince me.
When you see Oprah promoting LN, you have to defend MJ on Official social media.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

What they said about social media didn't convince me.
When you see Oprah promoting LN, you have to defend MJ on Official social media.

This will happen after the next week when most of airing dates are over, I think.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Michael Jackson and Wade Robson: The Real Story - <a href="https://t.co/v0GFAABPrI">https://t.co/v0GFAABPrI</a><br><br>“I wish people would realize, in your last moments on this earth, all the money in the world will be of no comfort. My clear conscience will.” - Brett Barnes (2013) <a href="https://t.co/vLAmAVYW1b">pic.twitter.com/vLAmAVYW1b</a></p>&mdash; gabriella&#128158; (@mikesnature_) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesnature_/status/1088866864984457221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">25. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not only does he have talent and taste, he’s an intellectual also. <a href="https://t.co/Erf4afS6tn">pic.twitter.com/Erf4afS6tn</a></p>&mdash; gabriella&#128158; (@mikesnature_) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesnature_/status/1101161653096402945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overall? I think someone would have to be dumber than a box of rocks to believe allegations against <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a>. No facts corroborate them, MJ's been exonerated countless times and each accuser has tried to get millions of dollars before going to the police. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/WYtcX0nbSR">https://t.co/WYtcX0nbSR</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Harris (@JohnnyAi) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnnyAi/status/1101249277064609793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please read this <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>. If we want to be taken seriously, we need to do just what <a href="https://twitter.com/Gurifin8?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Gurifin8</a> says. Appropriate, dignified responses with facts. It's only way to permeate the current of falsehoods that the media loves to portray about Michael Jackson. <a href="https://t.co/nnP2304vFu">https://t.co/nnP2304vFu</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1101502315649916934?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Funny that, given her son testified under oath (in his lawsuit, demanding hundreds of millions of dollars) that he never even realised/remembered he’d been abused until four years later, in 2013. <br><br>The lies and contradictions just keep on coming. <a href="https://t.co/1Fm1vion63">pic.twitter.com/1Fm1vion63</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1101522261759148035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's Nephew Taj Jackson Reveals the FBI Spent 10 Years Investigating His Uncle <a href="https://t.co/iX5UXOMRc1">https://t.co/iX5UXOMRc1</a> <a href="https://t.co/tO0xgOE0mF">pic.twitter.com/tO0xgOE0mF</a></p>&mdash; The Source Magazine (@TheSource) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheSource/status/1101239894381338626?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> lies and contradictions. That’s what happens when you make shit up as you go along <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/wiimIK5WZi">https://t.co/wiimIK5WZi</a></p>&mdash; Damo (@djbaby2009) <a href="https://twitter.com/djbaby2009/status/1101579348140687360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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That tweet right there about his mother. Seriously, how? HOW in God's name did it manage to get this far when it's based on BULLSHIT like that? No network should have ever picked this up. A freaking baby could make something more credible. Tired, tired, tired of hearing of this evolving memory too. Here have this evolving fist in your face!

Are these people just dumb (the accusers, the mom)? Anyone paying attention can see right through that. The ****ing bitch didn't know shit when Michael died.

She claims she danced, I tell you what... I will dance when it's bye bye time for you and your poisonous son. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[1nn5]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

This will happen after the next week when most of airing dates are over, I think.

Do they think that people don't read Tabloids and they haven't heard about LN ?
When Oprah talk about LN, official social media of MJ will not "promote him" but defend MJ.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

They dont defend mj anywhere. I could understand the F.B page if they were actively defending him by other means but they arent. Sorry but when those ppl are everywhere promoting the crap out of it.saying you dont want to give a programe that already has huge one sided promo extra promo simply does not fly. I would rather it have extra promotion if that "promotion" is the estate destroying their claims rather than be in the position we are in now where it has huge one sided promo.

 

[Boltzmann]

They dont defend mj anywhere. I could understand the F.B page if they were actively defending him by other means but they arent. Sorry but when those ppl are everywhere promoting the crap out of it.saying you dont want to give a programe that already has huge one sided promo extra promo simply does not fly. I would rather it have extra promotion if that "promotion" is the estate destroying their claims rather than be in the position we are in now where it has huge one sided promo.

Agree with you on the “huge one sided promo”. Oprah has thrown her full weight behind it and doesn’t seem to question the content of the documentary at all. I did see some more cautious mainstream articles today, which are not fully embracing it - e.g. in The New Yorker. I guess we wait and see to what extent people suspend critical thinking and buy into a one-sided story.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Oh cbs has uploades a new part from the wade & james interview 9 hours ago.
They milking the money machine and giving LN the best promotion they can.
This week they have aired 15 videos to MJ and LN!!!

The Original two videos with the FOUR Jackson Familymembers and many voiceovers from King are 11:14 longand only uploaded on Channel CBS Morning.
But the original interview parts with the TWO accusers and Dan Reed seames to be (I have not klicked on them) 35 minutes long and were uploaded on three cbs chanels (news, morning, night)!!!!

Thats really fair!!!

 

[SeeingVoices]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Yeh.. I'm trying to suss out the Estates approach on this also.

I'm hoping that once this has been aired the fall out and contructive discussion will take place. They're also most likely aware that the arguement of "well, how can you defend something that you've not yet seen' will be used ahead of the airing (which in itself is madness. That's like saying.. someone has accused me of something horrific and untrue but I have no right to respond until the accusing party have had say - ridiculous)

I'm hoping that once they get an insight of the mockumentaries full content then they'll start the rebuttal phase.

They can't surely expect the fans to be on the front line taking attack? We , and Michael deserve more than that.

 

[La74]

I have been in contact with Josephine Zohny.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jzohny

She confirms that she was on the defense list in the 2005 trial. She knew Jordan Chandler from university, were in the same program but does not have any contact with him any longer. She would not tell me what she was going to testify exactly but says she is willing to speak up if the family or a legal counsel contact her. She did say &#8221;just know that I stand by MJ 1000%&#8221;.

 

[AlwaysThere]

I've always felt that the official social media accounts shouldn't address Leaving Neverland in any way. As the Estate said, it's free publicity to anyone who might not know about it. Every post they've made thus far has highlighted Michael's generosity and legacy, which is what we need. They're doing the right thing.

I have been in contact with Josephine Zohny.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jzohny

She confirms that she was on the defense list in the 2005 trial. She knew Jordan Chandler from university, were in the same program but does not have any contact with him any longer. She would not tell me what she was going to testify exactly but says she is willing to speak up if the family or a legal counsel contact her. She did say &#8221;just know that I stand by MJ 1000%&#8221;.

That's huge. Someone get this to the Estate, Taj Jackson, and/or Thomas Mesereau.

 

[Lightbringer]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Yeh.. I'm trying to suss out the Estates approach on this also.

I'm hoping that once this has been aired the fall out and contructive discussion will take place. They're also most likely aware that the arguement of "well, how can you defend something that you've not yet seen' will be used ahead of the airing (which in itself is madness. That's like saying.. someone has accused me of something horrific and untrue but I have no right to respond until the accusing party have had say - ridiculous)

I'm hoping that once they get an insight of the mockumentaries full content then they'll start the rebuttal phase.

Are you aware the the MJ Estate had at least 1 employee at sundance to view Leaving Neverland? The Estate did not write that 10 page letter to HBO without having seen the film. Nor did they file the lawsuit without seeing the film.

 

[Zeus7]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Yeh.. I'm trying to suss out the Estates approach on this also.

I'm hoping that once this has been aired the fall out and contructive discussion will take place. They're also most likely aware that the arguement of "well, how can you defend something that you've not yet seen' will be used ahead of the airing (which in itself is madness. That's like saying.. someone has accused me of something horrific and untrue but I have no right to respond until the accusing party have had say - ridiculous)

I'm hoping that once they get an insight of the mockumentaries full content then they'll start the rebuttal phase.

They can't surely expect the fans to be on the front line taking attack? We , and Michael deserve more than that.

The Estate has seen the film, I'm really hoping they have some aces up their sleeves

 

[La74]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I've always felt that the official social media accounts shouldn't address Leaving Neverland in any way. As the Estate said, it's free publicity to anyone who might not know about it. Every post they've made thus far has highlighted Michael's generosity and legacy, which is what we need. They're doing the right thing.



That's huge. Someone get this to the Estate, Taj Jackson, and/or Thomas Mesereau.

I contacted Taj on Twitter.

 

[1nn5]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I've always felt that the official social media accounts shouldn't address Leaving Neverland in any way. As the Estate said, it's free publicity to anyone who might not know about it. Every post they've made thus far has highlighted Michael's generosity and legacy, which is what we need. They're doing the right thing.



That's huge. Someone get this to the Estate, Taj Jackson, and/or Thomas Mesereau.

You file a lawsuit against HBO and you don't share it on official social media accounts ?
Why ?

 

[terrell]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

pay attention to how james is gulping sometimes. like he is really nervous about people know that he is lying.

I saw the same thing. And if you look at his eyes, James eyes shift as if someone is lying and hoping not to get caught.

 

[terrell]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

And I will continue to say this to Jordan Chandler: THIS IS WHAT YOOUR LIES CRREATED AND NOW YOU CAN SIT BACK AND WATCH THESE LIARS DO STUFF BASED ON YOUR LIES. I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR FATHER DID, YOU ARE A GROWN MAN WHO CAN CORRECT THIS LIE.

 

[Zeus7]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

And I will continue to say this to Jordan Chandler: THIS IS WHAT YOOUR LIES CRREATED AND NOW YOU CAN SIT BACK AND WATCH THESE LIARS DO STUFF BASED ON YOUR LIES. I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR FATHER DID, YOU ARE A GROWN MAN WHO CAN CORRECT THIS LIE.

Jordan will never speak out, he's loving his life as a millionaire buying and selling apartments around New York, he didn't care in the 90s and he cares less now

 

[terrell]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Jordan will never speak out, he's loving his life as a millionaire buying and selling apartments around New York, he didn't care in the 90s and he cares less now

Anything is possible and things have happen so I will never say never. I hope he is watching this and seeing what his lies created. He better know he has to answer to a God for this. What his father did is one thing but he is now grown and it is his responsbilty to correct this LIE PUBLICLY since they did it PUBLICLY.

 

[CherubimII]

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After months of uncertainty and cratering morale, CBS News is now in the throes of a reset under incoming president Susan Zirinsky, who officially takes over the division Friday (March 1), though she&#8217;s been grappling with the task since her appointment was announced in January. And Gayle King, who launched CBS This Morning in 2012 alongside Charlie Rose, has emerged as the heart of the news division. It&#8217;s why King&#8217;s contract has become a topic of much media speculation and utmost importance in the halls of CBS.

&#8220;As far as I know I still have a contract there,&#8221; King joked to The Hollywood Reporter during a phone interview Thursday to talk about a series of interviews she did related to the explosive Michael Jackson documentary Leaving Neverland.

But her current deal is up this year and those who know King, 64, say she has been concerned about the direction of CBS This Morning, which has endured a worrisome ratings slide amid anchor changes. If she stays at CBS News, these people have said, she wants some assurance that her show is going to be positioned to succeed. And so while Zirinsky has many issues to deal with &#8212; she recently appointed Bill Owens as executive producer of 60 Minutes &#8212; her immediate priority, say numerous CBS News sources, is extending King&#8217;s contract.

&#8220;Everything hinges on Gayle,&#8221; said one CBS News staffer. &#8220;She wants to be part of something competitive. I think they have some heavy lifting to do still with Gayle.&#8221;
Zirinsky&#8217;s appointment was universally cheered at CBS News, literally. &#8220;When it was announced that she was going to be the head cook, there was a cheer throughout the building,&#8221; said King. &#8220;Everyone was thrilled that she was going to be the new person in charge. She&#8217;s widely respected and very much admired.&#8221;

And in interviews Zirinsky expressed confidence that she would have the available resources to succeed. This is critical because CBS News has never paid the kind of eye-popping salaries that its broadcast competitors do. ABC News is said to be paying Good Morning America host Robin Roberts close to $18 million annually and recently renewed her co-host George Stephanopoulos' contract for between $15 million and $18 million, reportedly. Meanwhile, NBC News paid close to $70 million to lure Megyn Kelly from Fox News in an ultimately failed experiment that ended last December after less than two years. (Kelly left with the full value of her three-year deal.) But CBS anchor salaries are considerably less. It&#8217;s been a bone of contention among agents, who often pointed to the outsize compensation of erstwhile CEO Leslie Moonves.
King is said to be making $5.5 million annually on her current three-year deal. When Rose was ousted in November 2017 amid widespread misconduct claims, his representative, David Geffen had extracted an agreement &#8212; never consummated &#8212; for an annual salary around $5 million. When King and co-host Norah O&#8217;Donnell, who joined the show in the summer of 2012, negotiated their second contracts at CBS This Morning, they made a point of asking for equal pay with Rose.

In the morning news race, GMA has a light edge over Today among total viewers (4.25 million compared with 4.19 million for the month of February, according to Nielsen), while Today leads in the critical 25-54 demographic. CBS This Morning is third in both measures, averaging 3.35 million viewers in February with 919,000 in the demo.
But the show has been a bright spot at CBS News, where decades of morning TV misfires had hobbled the division&#8217;s ability to realize a morning TV windfall similar to its competitors'. Even in third place, CBS This Morning still brings in close to $100 million annually, according to insiders. But the anchor turmoil has taken a toll. When Rose was ousted, former CBS News president David Rhodes moved Face the Nation host John Dickerson from Washington, D.C., to join King and O&#8217;Donnell. Months later he added Bianna Golodryga as the show&#8217;s fourth anchor, a move that King found out about the day before it was announced. And much of the CBS This Morning staff was also blindsided by the news last December of Ryan Kadro&#8217;s departure as executive producer of the broadcast.

Recent news reports that O&#8217;Donnell could replace Jeff Glor as the anchor of CBS Evening News, which has experienced ratings erosion since Glor took over from Scott Pelley, have only added to the consternation inside CBS News. Zirinsky has tamped down those rumors, which have been swirling almost since Glor took over in December 2017.

Meanwhile, CBS This Morning is also without a permanent executive producer. But Zirinsky&#8217;s first order of business is King. And given King&#8217;s profile, résumé and connections, she would seem to have options on the open market.
King has always kept contract talks close to the vest. And when asked about a rampant rumor that ABC News could attempt to poach her, King noted: &#8220;You know that there are all sorts of rumors about everything. I&#8217;ll tell you this: I&#8217;m not going to be one of these people who leaks stuff out. I&#8217;m just not going to do that. I will say that&#8217;s very flattering to hear.&#8221;

An ABC News source told THR, &#8220;If someone as talented as Gayle became available who wouldn&#8217;t have that conversation?&#8221; NBC News sources say there are no conversations ongoing. Officially, the network declined comment.

As to whether King sees herself at CBS News this time next year, she said: &#8220;Oooh, that&#8217;s a good question. All I can say is I really love my job. And I think it&#8217;s kind of foolish to predict the future.&#8221;

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/will-gayle-king-stay-at-cbs-news-1191762
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[L.T.D]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Yeah. Time to stop giving Friedbrain attention.

'Friedbrain' ? That takes me back about 15 years.....haven't heard that in a long time.

 

[myosotis]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The Estate has seen the film, I'm really hoping they have some aces up their sleeves

I imagine that it was hoped that HBO might re-think following receipt of the 'non-disparagement' contract suit. That was a pretty big ace up their sleeve?

If HBO/ AT&T/ Warner (or whoever is making the decision to go ahead) is not backing down at the possibility of it costing them $200 million plus, then I'm not sure there is a huge amount more that can be done legally at the moment (in the absence of relevant defamation laws).

This whole thing seems to be breaking new ground in media coverage. I can't think of a precedent. I'm not sure that there are likely to be many / any more 'aces' that can be played?

It will make sense to point out all the lies in the film after everyone has had a chance to see it. I think for 'the general public', trying to point out lies in something they haven't yet seen is somewhat difficult, as the Estate won't have access to much of the film footage.

On a side-topic, I did see that some fans were calling for Wade to be removed from relevant MJ videos eg Black or White. Seems like a good idea to me, if it can be done.

You file a lawsuit against HBO and you don't share it on official social media accounts ?
Why ?

They've said why. The Estate don't want to publicise the film any further. I don't think it's worth asking 'why' any more....

 

[CherubimII]

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Oprah Winfrey was a ratings powerhouse with her daytime show for many years but her cable channel, OWN, has had its challenges. OWN has had some very successful comedies and dramas but no show can last forever. Which series will be cancelled or renewed next? Stay tuned!
Scripted OWN TV shows listed: For Better or Worse, Greenleaf, The Haves and the Have Nots, If Loving You Is Wrong, Love Is ___, Love Thy Neighbor, The Paynes, and Queen Sugar.
Last update: Most recent ratings added for The Haves and the Have Nots.
There’s a lot of data that OWN execs look at when deciding whether to renew or cancel a TV series but ratings are a major factor. Here’s an updated listing of all of their recent/current primetime scripted shows.
<iframe src="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ew4e9wBK4P_eX68Vqc7EDEwaUJZDWr7OTJyGvD8Y5Jc/pubhtml/sheet?headers=false&gid=189490616&range=A1%3AG52&output=html&rm=minimal" width="595" height="700" frameborder="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; max-width: 100%;"></iframe>
Note: If you’re not seeing the updated chart, please try reloading the page or view it here.
A couple of notes about these charts:
These figures are updated automatically as new ratings are released (usually a day or so after the broadcasts). The averages are based on the final national numbers (live plus same day viewing). For technical reasons, I have to resort them manually so feel free to let me know if I missed something.
The demo numbers, which are typically most important to the broadcast networks, aren’t quite as vital to cable channels because their audiences are usually much smaller. Demo numbers are typically reported using the 10ths decimal place (2.4, for example). In the averages, I’m using an extra decimal for easier ranking.

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/tv-show-ratings/

 

[Amaya]

I’m disappointed in some of the posters on here dissing new members simply because they have raised concerns about the legacy of MJ.

One of the main reasons why I joined this forum again after so many years ago was because I have major concerns about what this documentary will do for Michael’s legacy. I’m scared to death at the thought of my idol’s name being put through the gutter and him being put on a pedestal with the likes of Jimmy Savile.

We are not talking about just any criminal activity here, These allegations are in relation to child abuse, probably the most vile crime any human can make.

We as fans have a right to be worried. We can’t just say ah well , let the general public believe what they want.. I know MJ was innocent etc. It doesn’t work like that. His name will be tarnished.

PS, I’ve been a fan since early 2001, first album was Vince. I am not a troll.

I think this whole thing has everyone paranoid and on edge. Elusive Moonwalker said that in 03-05 the prosecution was on here researching, and it's very likely that's happening again right now. Whatever info is out there about him and whatever we can argue in his defense can and is being used against us.

I want to say we should lock this place down so only members can read it and temporarily disable new member registration, but that may make things worse.

Anthony King is so strange. Let’s just ignore him. Hardly anyone knows who he is anyway.

Indeed. I never heard of him until someone posted about his rants. If he's trying to distance himself from Michael why is he still trying to release new material and books? If he thought Michael was inappropriate with children, why is he only saying it now? It seems really weird.

It's good that Trump supporters hate Oprah's guts and are taking this opportunity to shred her apart because of her connection to Winstien who she has not covered at all irrespective of the 70 women who came forward accusing him. Actually I have noticed that it is mostly the liberal media that is against MJ now. David Geffen fingerprints are all over the place.

The liberal media backing this doesn't surprise me since they've been pushing the MeToo stuff so hard. I don't have much hope for the right-wing media, though.

 

[terrell]

<header class="entry-header" style='box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 14px;'>OWN TV Show Ratings (updated 2/27/19)( Note all here shows are losing viewers)

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Oprah Winfrey was a ratings powerhouse with her daytime show for many years but her cable channel, OWN, has had its challenges. OWN has had some very successful comedies and dramas but no show can last forever. Which series will be cancelled or renewed next? Stay tuned!
Scripted OWN TV shows listed: For Better or Worse, Greenleaf, The Haves and the Have Nots, If Loving You Is Wrong, Love Is ___, Love Thy Neighbor, The Paynes, and Queen Sugar.
Last update: Most recent ratings added for The Haves and the Have Nots.
There&#8217;s a lot of data that OWN execs look at when deciding whether to renew or cancel a TV series but ratings are a major factor. Here&#8217;s an updated listing of all of their recent/current primetime scripted shows.
<iframe width="595" height="700" src="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ew4e9wBK4P_eX68Vqc7EDEwaUJZDWr7OTJyGvD8Y5Jc/pubhtml/sheet?headers=false&gid=189490616&range=A1%3AG52&output=html&rm=minimal" frameborder="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; max-width: 100%;"></iframe>
Note: If you&#8217;re not seeing the updated chart, please try reloading the page or view it here.
A couple of notes about these charts:
These figures are updated automatically as new ratings are released (usually a day or so after the broadcasts). The averages are based on the final national numbers (live plus same day viewing). For technical reasons, I have to resort them manually so feel free to let me know if I missed something.
The demo numbers, which are typically most important to the broadcast networks, aren&#8217;t quite as vital to cable channels because their audiences are usually much smaller. Demo numbers are typically reported using the 10ths decimal place (2.4, for example). In the averages, I&#8217;m using an extra decimal for easier ranking.

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/tv-show-ratings/

And by showing this trash Monday. She is about to tick off the few people who still watch that network when she is interviewing guys who defended MJ in court and under oath and now lying about this. She is going to get called out big time.