Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

elusive moonwalker;4247813 said:
Theres a difference between genuine fans with worries because they arent well read up on the docs and court depos and posters that are just trolls and haters who have joined here with the sole puprose and antagonising people. They stick out like a sore thumb and there should be 0 tolerance towards them.otherwise it becomes a distraction that pushes people away.

For those who dont realise there is an ignore function in the settings.then you will not see said posters posts. Or there is a report button for offensive posts at the bottom left of the post

This is what I’m trying to say

Difference between flat out haters and people who just need education
 
People need to start archiving every country's version of the documentary. Every airing, edit, etc. A comparison video is needed to stress how shady this whole situation is, cus if they can cut out stuff from the US/UK airings they can cut out anything else in other areas.

It should go even further. Transcribe every single word. Note down every single claim made and see how inconsistently they're repeated or contradicted. Debunk EVERYTHING.
 
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Brett Barnes at the end of part 1 is still there and the full graphic details are in place.
I am also 100% sure about the grandma being cut out. When I watched the HBO version I was shocked cus I never realised she even existed in the first place lol.

It is maybe an stupid question but I must ask this.
Were there any new matirial which were not in the Us version?
Picturmatirial, audio matiral anything new or edited differently then in the Us version?
Or were all parts in the UK version the same visually and from its audio when you let out the cutted parts?
 
It is maybe an stupid question but I must ask this.
Were there any new matirial which were not in the Us version?
Picturmatirial, audio matiral anything new or edited differently then in the Us version?
Or were all parts in the UK version the same visually and from its audio?

The only added material I noticed were sources on screen during video footage. For example in the Channel 4 version the Bad tour footage had "Bad Tour Australia 1987 / YouTube" at the corner as it played and if I recall correctly that did not appear in the HBO version.
 
It has been said by a few here that this takes like two years, but I don't really agree. Sure, you probably can have something even better in two years but Taj and whoever helping him can do a lot with what is out there.

they are saying 2 years cuz LN supposedly took 2 years, that is not the case at all.. You can make a good documentary in the matter of weeks/months.. Even huge budget CGI movies often take less than 2 years..


The reason LN took 2 years is because it takes a long time to fill the holes that were leaking bull sh**.. and it still leaks!
 
Oh, man, been away for one day and it seems that all hell broke loose in this thread. Haven't had time to read all pages, but I'd like to add that I don't think any of us have anything against fans with doubts, as long as those fans do listen to reason. But when they start harassing other fans, call Michael names and don't bring any arguments to support their doubts, then that makes me wonder of their quality here. Plus, they just can't serm to get away from this thread, no matter how many times they are asked nicely to take a break, or move to the other thread.

TJ has said that he had the whole documentary, including the parts that were later left out. And that brings me to the next point: obviously, these Reed&Co are lurking in every Michael forum, reading everything we are posting. I am sure of that now that they've cut out the parts with contradictions more than ever. We have to be careful not to "help" them further.

Yeah we had the impression since the airing and I said back then we should should make this thread only visable for members but the admins felt no need to do this.
A open defence is not the best defence!

Its like in 2005 were someone of MJs defence team was so stupid to say publically that MJ was not in Neverland when he should have molested Gavin in the Avisos first version of their story.
When he whould keep it quiet there whould never be a trail.
But he said it publically and the Avisos could change their story and timeline like Dan Reed and the TV Channels can now change LN and the story they told in it to potrait MJ further as a childmolester and sell it without being debunked.

They didn't change the graphic parts cause they know we can't expose this.
 
Brett Barnes at the end of part 1 is still there and the full graphic details are in place.
I am also 100% sure about the grandma being cut out. When I watched the HBO version I was shocked cus I never realised she even existed in the first place lol.


did the grandma say anything incrimnating.. do you see a reason to cut her out?
 
they are saying 2 years cuz LN supposedly took 2 years, that is not the case at all.. You can make a good documentary in the matter of weeks/months.. Even huge budget CGI movies often take less than 2 years..


The reason LN took 2 years is because it takes a long time to fill the holes that were leaking bull sh**.. and it still leaks!

Well said! So there IS a chance of a doc this year.

Whatever the case, it's good that they at least replied to someone but it's also clear they just can't talk about it.
 
good that i still have the uncut version on my hard drive :)
 
Put it this way... would you rather they rush something out and only convince some people... or take their time and do it right and come as close as they can to putting this issue to bed for good? That's if they are even considering a documentary or helping with Taj's. They probably know it will be looked at with skepticism because of their vested interest.
 
The Grandma doesn't really have much if anything to add. She would have been cut because they need to leave room for commercials, unlike HBO.
 
People need to start archiving every country's version of the documentary. Every airing, edit, etc. A comparison video is needed to stress how shady this whole situation is, cus if they can cut out stuff from the US/UK airings they can cut out anything else in other areas.

It should go even further. Transcribe every single word. Note down every single claim made and see how inconsistently they're repeated or contradicted. Debunk EVERYTHING.

The channel that's airing it tomorrow in Norway said before the HBO airing that they would show a 3 hour edited version. My guess it that the edited one is the one that has been sold to other countries. Unsure why america gets a longer version and we're getting a shorter one.
 
Don’t forget to complain to Ofcom (TV regulator in UK). This is important as OfCom will report the exact number of complaints they get so every complaint counts. They will investigate the complaint if they get a high enough number.

Here’s where to make complaint:

*updated link*

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/how-to-report-a-complaint/how-to-report-a-complaint

The complaint does not have to be long. Just state that the documentary was broadcast 6 and 7 March at 9pm on Channel 4 and that you feel the documentary was unfair and biased and abandoned standard norms of documentary making. State that clause 7 of OFCOM was clearly breached.

Thanks to everyone that is sending off complaints. They only had about 151 complaints yesterday so they are counting them...let’s keep them coming....
 
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IMDb at 6.6 now (up from 5.1)

The reviews are horrible because not everyone is a hater, there are many gullible people who are influenced by the emotional manipulation. It's always the same stuff they write: they couldn't make it up, so they believe them too firmly. Not a rational thought.

Mankind hasn't learnt of how easy faking something is, especially in the days of the social media.
They think this way: Facts dont't matter, people do. Say what you want and you are believed, don't do your research on the accuser.
They are viewing a product, a product that is being sold. Not a valuation of historical truth but one of cheap propaganda of profiteers.
 
WildStyle;4247852 said:
Put it this way... would you rather they rush something out and only convince some people... or take their time and do it right and come as close as they can to putting this issue to bed for good? That's if they are even considering a documentary or helping with Taj's. They probably know it will be looked at with skepticism because of their vested interest.

Put to bed once and for all hell yeah. They can take their time in that case.

john13th;4247858 said:
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And the fact that he never settled on the molestation charge at all. Definitely something to let people know if it comes to that. (he paid the boy off, guilty as hell) that kinda shit.
 
The "docu" is now to be found on YouTube (might be deleted and reupped again and again). This is a possibility to watch it to expose more lies without giving HBO any money for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFjV-6iddrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrTX8WSCZBs

I think its not a good idea to give this videos with LN any view.
They should't get attention to project children in the first place.
They shouldn't see it. There are many very jung MJ fans out there who didn't know anything about this footage.
Uploaders who do this a very ignorant!
The estate should do something against this uploads with copyright claims!
Those child porngrphic disturbing things don't belong on youtube!
 
IMDb at 6.6 now (up from 5.1)

The reviews are horrible because not everyone is a hater, there are many gullible people who are influenced by the emotional manipulation. It's always the same stuff they write: they couldn't make it up, so they believe them too firmly. Not a rational thought.

Mankind hasn't learnt of how easy faking something is, especially in the days of the social media.
They think this way: Facts dont't matter, people do. Say what you want and you are believed, don't do your research on the accuser.
They are viewing a product, a product that is being sold. Not a valuation of historical truth but one of cheap propaganda of profiteers.

The problem with IMDB is that you can buy votes, reviews etc on some sites. Just Google Buy votes IMDB. Not saying these reviews definitely aren't genuine, but still. With plenty of movies you have definitely fake reviews.
 
The estate would be stupid to release a docu in two years .the public will have long forgotten about this and care even less. All the estate will be doing is bringing it all up again which the media and haters will love. Any doc has to be done quickly to follow on from the intrest of the first one and maintain momentum. The facts are all there and key elements are already easy enough to discredit.
 
I have been on other non-MJ forums and there are definitely Haters, posing as fans, coming here for info. They did the same thing during the 2005 trial. IMO, only members should be able to view this thread. It is obvious that there are &#8220;moles&#8221; on this board. I agree with those who say that is the reason for the editing of the fraudomentary. Let&#8217;s be very sure, this IS a conspiracy, and not only just haters lurking here, there are media and others with an invested interest here, also. These people will do anything to see their AGENDA succeed. Don&#8217;t fall for the bull@#$& of so-called &#8220;fans&#8221; who want to appear objective. Exact same thing , these people did during the 2005 fiasco. Sorry, if I sound overly cautious, but I know what these &#8220;Trojan horses&#8221; and &#8220;moles&#8221; will do and have done. Again, we have to be very careful and cautious with any info posted. I don&#8217;t have to know everything going on behind The scenes, and neither does any other fan. If a fan is too impatient to see what Tsj is doing, then take a break and come back, IF you want to.
 
^ Yeah, the metacritic reviews (all prior to its first airing) were basically all "bought", and no new professional rating since then. They all seem to first evaluate if it would hurt or boost their reputation depending on which side they'll join.
 
the film is convincing that's why people like it. They only watch.
 
The estate would be stupid to release a docu in two years .the public will have long forgotten about this and care even less. All the estate will be doing is bringing it all up again which the media and haters will love. Any doc has to be done quickly to follow on from the intrest of the first one. The facts are all there and key elements are already easy enough to discredit.

Agreed. Two years is much too long.

They can easily get one out this year and a well made one too. It doesn't need to take two years.

A lot of the work has been done already by the fans and those who actually knew and support Michael.

Debunk everything said in the documentary, pull apart each and every accusation and start interviewing people that knew MJ and the accusers, as well as experts and get this going.

The estate needs to be working hard right now on putting this rebuttal documentary together.
 
Check out @damienshields’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/damienshields/status/1104368745852461056?s=09

Check out this “powerful” testimony by James Safechuck’s mother about how she “danced the day MJ died” in 2009 despite James testifying in his sworn declaration that he had “not realised” he had been abused until 2013. &#129300; The #LyingNeverEnds in #LeavingNeverland https://t.co/l4VflVgwmy

Seeing the mother there with her acting makes my blood boil. Bitch shut the **** up, you never did a dance.

Anyway, James claims in his lawsuit that he told his mom that Michael was bad in 2005, didn't he? But he didn't know it was abuse and the whole narrative that the mom kept it quiet doesn't add up at all. That would mean she knew ever since 2005, and when James came to his "realization" it was abuse she already knew too and kept it silent or something? It doesn't add up on bit.

It's a disgrace and a catastrophic failure of journalism that none of these "reviewers" saw through this, none of them. Unbelievable and very sad.
 
somewhereinthedark;4247870 said:
I have been on other non-MJ forums and there are definitely Haters, posing as fans, coming here for info. They did the same thing during the 2005 trial. IMO, only members should be able to view this thread. It is obvious that there are &#8220;moles&#8221; on this board. I agree with those who say that is the reason for the editing of the fraudomentary. Let&#8217;s be very sure, this IS a conspiracy, and not only just haters lurking here, there are media and others with an invested interest here, also. These people will do anything to see their AGENDA succeed. Don&#8217;t fall for the bull@#$& of so-called &#8220;fans&#8221; who want to appear objective. Exact same thing , these people did during the 2005 fiasco. Sorry, if I sound overly cautious, but I know what these &#8220;Trojan horses&#8221; and &#8220;moles&#8221; will do and have done. Again, we have to be very careful and cautious with any info posted. I don&#8217;t have to know everything going on behind The scenes, and neither does any other fan. If a fan is too impatient to see what Tsj is doing, then take a break and come back, IF you want to.

I agree. But unless there is also a limit put on new member registration or access, they can just make an account. And the problem is that these issues we're bringing up and our action plans are also being discussed on twitter and facebook where everyone can see.
 
Their is a YOUTUBE PICTURE CALLED 48 CHILD FRIENDS OF MICHAEL JACKSON ( He was Not a Child Molester). Same picture but they are STANDING, it starts at 1:32.
 
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