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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

ILoveHIStory said:
dont forget about the rebuttal against LWMJ, the Take Two ...., the problem is that the Estate has to be involved
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If there is going to be a documentary I think Gary Dunlop should be in it if he is interested for the background of Tom Sneddon and Geraldine Hughes and maybe Corey Feldman and it should be totalt based on all the facts that shows that Michael Jackson was innocent.
 
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What's nambla? I'm afraid to google it.
 
dmehta;4238449 said:
This is why the Estate has to start being much more proactive and aggressive in getting the facts out there. Wade and Jimmy are being treated like brave “survivors” when they’re nothing more than opportunistic liars. Do most people who have heard about this doc even know that they filed lawsuits looking for money and lost? Are they aware of all of Wade’s previous comments over the last 25 years?
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That is also how it has been ever since the Chandlers I think. It was important to make a big emotional media thing about ”little Jordy” so MJ would settle the lawsuit which made him look guilty and then make people forget facts and there was actually a tape there Evan says he paid people etc.
 
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wednesday;4238451 said:
What's nambla? I'm afraid to google it.
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It’s short for North American Man/Boy Lovers Association
 
dmehta;4238449 said:
This is why the Estate has to start being much more proactive and aggressive in getting the facts out there. Wade and Jimmy are being treated like brave “survivors” when they’re nothing more than opportunistic liars. Do most people who have heard about this doc even know that they filed lawsuits looking for money and lost? Are they aware of all of Wade’s previous comments over the last 25 years?
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They absolutely don't know, that's for sure and it's goddamn sad.

I'm already afraid for next week when I know I will be seeing several people that WILL bring this up if they have seen RTL Boulevard. I am not incredibly well at making a point across face to face, online no problem but face to face I'm not too great at it. Because I easily get worked up when it's about Mike, which makes me sound fanatic.

I'll make a short summary of key things and tell them that as answer, and then ask them...don't you find any of that even remotely questionable? Things like...

- One of them (Robson) vehemently defended MJ all the way through the years. At the Arvizo trial for example.

- Begged to be at the memorial.

- Cirque du soleil thingy, didn't happen, decided to sue estate for money instead of seeking justice.

- Judge declared him a liar (correct, right?), there was forged evidence, case thrown out.

Should be easy enough to keep in my head and if this doesn't make them question things....i don't know what will.
 
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The one positive we have is that the internet does make it easier to make this information known.
2005 was only 14 years ago, but it may as well be a hundred years ago in technology terms. Back then the tabloids and the news media were still king, but nowadays there are so many more platforms to get the truth out there. If one person can make a YouTube video tearing this doc to shreds that gets spread around and trending, then the playing field is levelled, but it's a long game. The sensationalism of the next few days will bring out the hate and it will be hard for us to be heard, but the media will move on in the blink of an eye. Trump, The Super Bowl, The Oscars will take over, and before you know it this will be just another irrelevant footnote.

We've just gotta ride it out as we always have.
 
somewhereinthedark;4238421 said:
Can someone with access to the estate, share this idea with them? This rebuttal docu needs to be done correctly and with someone who can get maximum exposure. Spike has the name recognition and he is a widely respected director and film maker. This rebuttal needs to be put out as soon as possible. The fans have basically done all of the work with all of the videos, transcripts, interviews, etc. that they have posted. We just need someone like Spike to draw attention and put everything together. Sorry, I don’t think that Taj can get this done by himself. Maybe he and Spike can co-produce/co-direct this together. Btw, I absolutely LOVE Taj, TJ and Tarryl. They have always been there for Michael, as he was for them. Thank God they are in Paris, Prince and Blanket’s life!!
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You can see MJ Online Team's email adress here:

https://twitter.com/mjonlineteam/status/495273470742503424?lang=fi
 
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I take back what I said about the RTL Boulevard program. If we can actually manage to email that guy and have him (if RTL allows that) spread the positive word, the facts about MJ, and these two shits, during a new show next week or so.... THAT would be really damn good. Unless this person doesn't want to listen at all and has his/her mind made up.

Who was it at RTL Boulevard that said this?
 
dmehta;4238449 said:
This is why the Estate has to start being much more proactive and aggressive in getting the facts out there. Wade and Jimmy are being treated like brave “survivors” when they’re nothing more than opportunistic liars. Do most people who have heard about this doc even know that they filed lawsuits looking for money and lost? Are they aware of all of Wade’s previous comments over the last 25 years?
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I have read of reviews of people who saw the documentary, in it is also told how they reported their cases to justice, so maybe knowing this and what they hear in the documentary they finally believe them, I do not know,
I would like to see for myself the documentary and know in first person exactly what about this to have a complete vision.
but i suppose that for many who see the documentary it is easy to understand the trial because they did not lose their judgment, we must understand what it means to "dismisse the demanda" , his claim was dismissed because you can not sue a company of a deceased person for the crimes that this person committed, so it is not that they lost their judgment or that it was due to lack of evidence, it was because it can not be process the claim for that reason.
if michael had been alive surely the demand would have been accepted and a trial would have been held , for that reason for the people who see the documentary this argument does not apply.
but did not make sense that they sue the michael companies

Someone should try to put the taj documentary in netflix because otherwise it is difficult to have a good impact on the public without netflix or HBO
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I take back what I said about the RTL Boulevard program. If we can actually manage to email that guy and have him (if RTL allows that) spread the positive word, the facts about MJ, and these two shits, during a new show next week or so.... THAT would be really damn good. Unless this person doesn't want to listen at all and has his/her mind made up.

Who was it at RTL Boulevard that said this?
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I agree. Here is what I do not understand about that person. I am sure he was alive with the 1993 case, the 2005, came out in 2013 Wade and the James and now that two of the liars from that era who defended MJ make a doc who lost lawsuit you all of a sudden do not want to listen to MJ's music? Give me a break.
 
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Lovepeace1 said:
I have read of reviews of people who saw the documentary, in it is also told how they reported their cases to justice, so maybe knowing this and what they hear in the documentary they finally believe them, I do not know,
I would like to see for myself the documentary and know in first person exactly what about this to have a complete vision.
but i suppose that for many who see the documentary it is easy to understand the trial because they did not lose their judgment, we must understand what it means to "dismisse the demanda" , his claim was dismissed because you can not sue a company of a deceased person for the crimes that this person committed, so it is not that they lost their judgment or that it was due to lack of evidence, it was because it can not be process the claim for that reason.
if michael had been alive surely the demand would have been accepted and a trial would have been held , for that reason for the people who see the documentary this argument does not apply.
but did not make sense that they sue the michael companies

Someone should try to put the taj documentary in netflix because otherwise it is difficult to have a good impact on the public without netflix or HBO
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How can they report their case to justice when they defended Jackson in the name of Justice? That makes no sense. And been doing it for over 20 years.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4238454 said:
- Judge declared him a liar (correct, right?), there was forged evidence, case thrown out.
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No.
MJJ moved for summary judgment on the grounds that Robson’s complaint wasn’t filed within the statute of limitations. Under California law, a child abuse victim has until his or her 26th birthday to file such a complaint.
 
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terrell said:
I agree. Here is what I do not understand about that person. I am sure he was alive with the 1993 case, the 2005, came out in 2013 Wade and the James and now that two of the liars from that era who defended MJ make a doc who lost lawsuit you all of a sudden do not want to listen to MJ's music? Give me a break.
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Yep! My guess is that this person back in the day didn't do any research of his/her own, did follow the news and saw that Mike was acquitted on all counts. Then this person probably thought "oh, nice. I can listen to his music again."

No way do I believe this person knew about all the facts. He/she likely didn't even know that Wade testified in 2005 to begin with.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jacobs-hagen: &quot;Can I copy your homework?&quot;<br><br>Wade Robson: &quot;Sure.. just don't make it too obvious.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/rj0scZBPdq">pic.twitter.com/rj0scZBPdq</a></p>&mdash; &#9808;&#65038; (@heIIthesequel) <a href="https://twitter.com/heIIthesequel/status/1089376908171755521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Update: I see this documentary now tries to make something sinister out of innocent faxes MJ sent to Wade. Trying to portray him as obsessively sending &quot;love faxes&quot; to Wade. Compare it to Joy&#39;s deposition about the faxes, though! This is the manipulation you see in this doc. <a href="https://t.co/9hWgswPbhk">pic.twitter.com/9hWgswPbhk</a></p>&mdash; Justice for The Falsely Accused (@JuliaBerkowitz1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1/status/1089474707752136704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yep! My guess is that this person back in the day didn't do any research of his/her own, did follow the news and saw that Mike was acquitted on all counts. Then this person probably thought "oh, nice. I can listen to his music again."

No way do I believe this person knew about all the facts. He/she likely didn't even know that Wade testified in 2005 to begin with.
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Either that or the person is lying and actually has an agenda against him.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is a link to the video of the German show that exposed him in 2017, but unfortunately the video itself is taken off since: <a href="https://t.co/uOaoI9nLhh">https://t.co/uOaoI9nLhh</a><br>However we have an English summary of it from a fan board: <a href="https://t.co/g85f51pFtt">pic.twitter.com/g85f51pFtt</a></p>&mdash; Justice for The Falsely Accused (@JuliaBerkowitz1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1/status/1089381176958173184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Some great refuting going on on all platforms. Jacobshagens statement from a month after Robson came out with his claims is great. These people don&#8217;t appear to have a brain cell between them.

Dont be too disheartened though, yes this is terrible and I&#8217;ve had moments of panic BUT I have been very pleasantly surprised at the amount of positive and truthful comments I&#8217;ve seen about this too. I even looked at the daily mail comments which are usually like treading the depths of hell and there was a massive presence of skepticism about the &#8216;documentary&#8217; and positive comments. Keep the faith guys.
 
PoP;4238453 said:
It&#8217;s short for North American Man/Boy Lovers Association
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Victor guituerz (sp) was involved with them they basically were trying to get high profile celebs called out as abusers. In their messed up world having someone high profile made it more acceptable. Victor accused falsely a high profile politician in his home country as well as writing the abuse fantasy book about jordan and mj. who world of wonder production company who have done previous hatchet docs on mj wanted to make a film of. Which would have basically been a child porn movie. Now reed makes the same sort of comments that guiterrez was making.makes you wonder with his obsession with child abuse aswell. Someone should do some research into this guy.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yep! My guess is that this person back in the day didn't do any research of his/her own, did follow the news and saw that Mike was acquitted on all counts. Then this person probably thought "oh, nice. I can listen to his music again."

No way do I believe this person knew about all the facts. He/she likely didn't even know that Wade testified in 2005 to begin with.
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Believe me, as much as MJ is talked about and on a show like that, that fool knows. he probably was playing up to the cameras when he said it. I look that show up. It is tabloidish entertament.
 
StaceyMJ;4238470 said:
Some great refuting going on on all platforms. Jacobshagens statement from a month after Robson came out with his claims is great. These people don&#8217;t appear to have a brain cell between them.

Dont be too disheartened though, yes this is terrible and I&#8217;ve had moments of panic BUT I have been very pleasantly surprised at the amount of positive and truthful comments I&#8217;ve seen about this too. I even looked at the daily mail comments which are usually like treading the depths of hell and there was a massive presence of skepticism about the &#8216;documentary&#8217; and positive comments. Keep the faith guys.
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We need to stay calm, try not to get emotional and convince the people who are open to it with facts and think of what is best to do in the long run. Many people do see through this.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s a screenshot from Michael Jacobshagen&#39;s website that shows what he wrote on June 18, 2013, a month after Wade made his accusations public. Thank goodness for the Wayback Machine! Shout out to <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJCritic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJCritic</a> for this info! <a href="https://t.co/cvuFEyxTCL">pic.twitter.com/cvuFEyxTCL</a></p>&mdash; sanemjfan (@sanemjfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanemjfan/status/1089404273350402050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Safechuck still happy to be involved with MJ, holding the umbrella at 16 years old on the HIStory teaser set. He was really thrown by the wayside and ignored!!!
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In his latest interview Dan Reed says this:


I mean, there is no videotape of Michael Jackson having sex with a child. We don&#8217;t have that kind of proof. Although he did record himself having sex with James &#8230;

Oh, he did?
Yeah. He destroyed it &#8212; he panicked and destroyed the tapes.
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Oh, of course, he destroyed it so we have absolutely no evidence of it. How convenient.

But what I wanted to point out is that this is a new claim. Safechuck did not make such allegations in his complaint. So this is just another proof that they are making up this story as they go along with it. It keeps evolving.
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ILoveHIStory;4238475 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a screenshot from Michael Jacobshagen's website that shows what he wrote on June 18, 2013, a month after Wade made his accusations public. Thank goodness for the Wayback Machine! Shout out to <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJCritic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJCritic</a> for this info! <a href="https://t.co/cvuFEyxTCL">pic.twitter.com/cvuFEyxTCL</a></p>&#8212; sanemjfan (@sanemjfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanemjfan/status/1089404273350402050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Thank goodness for Wayback Machine, indeed. We need to carefully document and backup everything and anything that proves these people are liars in the event someone tries to scrub all of this away.
 
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Wheres respect posting now. To many of the fans who are experts on the cases arent here anymore which is a great shame

Lisa marie should be calling this #$/@ out.....
 
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Dan Reed creeps me out. His descriptions of Wade's "abuse" by Michael are very creepy and strange. Describes it as a "loving relationship" and stuff.
 
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I hope that some of Michaels clostest friends like Diana Ross find the courage to come forward and defend MJ. She can maybe have a huge impact on the people and she was one of the few people MJ really trusted and told the most personal things besides his family members and Elisabeth. Maybe she knows things which can be usful now!
I know she never wanna talk about MJ in any interview since his death but now its maybe really nessesary!
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Dan Reed creeps me out. His descriptions of Wade's "abuse" by Michael are very creepy and strange. Describes it as a "loving relationship" and stuff.
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Yeap sounds like a good ole nambla type. Throwing stones to hide your hands. What did we all say.

Post it why would it matter. Delete again if u want
 
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