Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[PoP]

HBO WINS FIRST ROUND IN MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE’S ‘LEAVING NEVERLAND’ LAWSUIT



SOURCE: Hollywood Reporter

AH! That federal judge is an @$$!

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

HBO WINS FIRST ROUND IN MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE’S ‘LEAVING NEVERLAND’ LAWSUIT



SOURCE: Hollywood Reporter

OH HECK NO!

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[NatureCriminal7896]

How many rounds are there?

 

[WannaScream]

Some people seem a bit more optimistic and not looking at this as a win/lose scenario.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I disagree with some of it. I don't see this as a win for HBO. To me (and I'm not an attorney) it looks like the Judge is trying to decide who should decide the case, an arbitrator or a judge.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1133755857844334592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29 May 2019</a></blockquote>
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[terrell]

Some people seem a bit more optimistic and not looking at this as a win/lose scenario.

I disagree with some of it. I don't see this as a win for HBO. To me (and I'm not an attorney) it looks like the Judge is trying to decide who should decide the case, an arbitrator or a judge.
— andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) 29 May 2019​

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I agree.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

I knew this was going to happen. So I’m not surprised. Everything has to be a long, drag-out fight giving Michael’s supporters nothing except more grief while people who hate him continue to dance on his grave. This is why I have such a low opinion of judges when Michael Jackson and his legacy are the subject. I’m sorry to be doom and gloom. But I have seen this happen with Michael more times then I want to remember. And I would love to be wrong about this.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I wouldn't get too happy or sad either. it's depends on how many rounds we can have. is it 3? how many are there?

 

[terrell]

I knew this was going to happen. So I’m not surprised. Everything has to be a long, drag-out fight giving Michael’s supporters nothing except more grief while people who hate him continue to dance on his grave. This is why I have such a low opinion of judges when Michael Jackson and his legacy are the subject. I’m sorry to be doom and gloom. But I have seen this happen with Michael more times then I want to remember. And I would love to be wrong about this.

Just about everything in our system has to be dragged out in all fairness. again, HBO is not in the clear.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Where we stand now so i share this with other fans?

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MJE vs. HBO Ruling info 5/29/18<br>* HBO's attempt to get the case taken to an arbitratior or another court, was DENIED. HBO can amend their defense by 6/4. MJE has until 6/17 to respond: Back in court 6/24.. HBO get's a 'redo'<br><br>* Transcripts coming<a href="https://twitter.com/MJJCommunity?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJCommunity</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a></p>&mdash; Rasheed (@rasheedKOPV) <a href="https://twitter.com/rasheedKOPV/status/1133778136930242560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS</a> the minute I heard about it. Wade and James are the same two men who previously tried and failed to sue the Michael Jackson Estate for $$$$$$$$. This has always been about money.<br><br>Lets spread the hashtag <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS</a><br>Please add your own.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1133789169543606273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS</a> when an army of blue check marks desperately tried to push this one sided propaganda piece and this sick narrative before the public even had a chance to make up their own mind. This was a calculated attack and media blitz against Michael Jackson.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1133790509908971520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS</a> is TRENDING <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://t.co/5VHDREWRkc">pic.twitter.com/5VHDREWRkc</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1133801936774258688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

The justice system threw Wade's case out, they saw it for the BS it was, so I want to have faith in a good outcome here as well.

I want to say it's unbelievable if HBO wins it all, but what if that deal between MJ and HBO indeed did expire a while ago? That's what HBO is arguing isn't it?

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="ko" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> is everywhere even in town bridge and school of KOREA&#127472;&#127479; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%EB%A7%88%EC%9D%B4%ED%81%B4%EC%9E%AD%EC%8A%A8?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#&#47560;&#51060;&#53364;&#51117;&#49832;</a> &#51008; &#50612;&#46356;&#50640;&#45208; &#51080;&#45796;! &#48317;&#54868;&#48393;&#49324;&#45800;&#51032; &#49436;&#50872; &#50577;&#54868;&#45824;&#44368;, &#49340;&#49457;&#46041; &#45824;&#47749;&#51473;&#54617;&#44368; &#48317;&#54868;&#46308;&#9996;&#65039;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KingOfPop?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KingOfPop</a> is FOREVER <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://t.co/Uib5cxuqGG">pic.twitter.com/Uib5cxuqGG</a></p>&mdash; BetterPlace [MJ&#45684;&#49828;] (@dico_6) <a href="https://twitter.com/dico_6/status/1133752820304269312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, I'm in a packed out theatre, kids from around 4 yrs old, dressed as mini MJs, to people in their 80's, all getting down to <a href="https://twitter.com/ThrillerLive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ThrillerLive</a> . Wow what an atmosphere which I'm so pleased to see...tell me again <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Oprah</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBO</a> .. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mutewho?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mutewho</a> ???? <a href="https://t.co/KHICoAFDZL">pic.twitter.com/KHICoAFDZL</a></p>&mdash; Kez (@kezlaaa81) <a href="https://twitter.com/kezlaaa81/status/1133458280699879424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TV: &quot;Gone Too Soon&quot; Documentary in France <a href="https://t.co/Ljo5QHayM2">https://t.co/Ljo5QHayM2</a></p>&mdash; MJVibe (@Mjvibe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe/status/1133634631322996737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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[WannaScream]

Where we stand now so i share this with other fans?

Just say the District court haven't worked out where they stand either!

Because the Court has not yet decided whether it or the arbitrator will decide arbitrability, it will hold off from addressing the arguments in regards to the arbitrability issue.

https://www.scribd.com/document/411772438/Estate-v-HBO-Ruling-5-28-19

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

So i guess at this point we just hope and pray for a good outcome. i will keep an look out for this to June 5th and 17 and also the 24th. hopefully we are definitely seeing the light now. go ahead and shine it bright mike we are praying for you.

 

[WannaScream]

I'm not even convinced that the denial for the motion to remand is a big deal, like MJE lost or anything. It seems like it's just not the appropriate option right now because they haven't even discussed whether arbitration should occur (and the judge hasn't even decided who should be discussing that)!

While the Agreement may establish the Los Angeles County Superior Court as the only venue that has the authority to resolve a dispute about which arbitrator to select when there is a continued conflict between the parties and their surrogates on that point, the plain language of the Arbitration Provision does not support a finding that the parties intended that court to be the only forum for other disputes. The parties&#8217; instant disagreement is not about who should serve as the arbitrator, but rather whether arbitration should be compelled in the first instance.Therefore, the Court would deny Plaintiff&#8217;s Motion to Remand

 

[PoP]

Taj's idea of #IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS was trending well on Twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS</a> because thanx to those backstabbing bastards and Reeks aka Robotnik poisoned people&#39;s minds and get the whole to go mad like muting Michael off and ruining everything. Though muting did little, but still they anger me so much I suffered stress!&#55357;&#56864;</p>&mdash; Jordan Tremblay (PoP) (@PrinceofPop8) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrinceofPop8/status/1133794970266218496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Thriller_MJ]

I'm worried about this case. I don't think the estate has a strong defence and let's be clear they are not suing HBO because of the documentary they are suing because of a contractual obligation. My question is, because that contract was made when Michael was obliviously alive, now he is dead, will that contract be void because it wouldn't serve any other purpose.

 

[volitional]

The justice system threw Wade's case out, they saw it for the BS it was, so I want to have faith in a good outcome here as well.

I want to say it's unbelievable if HBO wins it all, but what if that deal between MJ and HBO indeed did expire a while ago? That's what HBO is arguing isn't it?

I have to say that I would be surprised if the estate win this lawsuit. I think the First Amendment usually trumps most things in the U.S and I don't see how a disparaging clause would be allowed to prevent a network from discussing what they would claim is a valid topic. Plus can such a clause last indefinitely?

The only thing I can hope on is the fact the documentary and the network made no attempt to get MJ's side and seemed to go out of their way to ignore the Estates Statements about the biased side of the documentary.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that the Estate wins.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I'm worried about this case. I don't think the estate has a strong defence and let's be clear they are not suing HBO because of the documentary they are suing because of a contractual obligation. My question is, because that contract was made when Michael was obliviously alive, now he is dead, will that contract be void because it wouldn't serve any other purpose.

Wait? so what the whole point of this case in the first place? if they not suing HBO then....???? what point of this?

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I'm worried about this case. I don't think the estate has a strong defence and let's be clear they are not suing HBO because of the documentary they are suing because of a contractual obligation. My question is, because that contract was made when Michael was obliviously alive, now he is dead, will that contract be void because it wouldn't serve any other purpose.

That's how i feel too. Michael isn't here with us and he can't defend himself. that's what i'm worried about too. sure he got his estate but, he isn't here.

 

[KOPV]

Looking at the current defense from HBO, it's very weak. Their entire argument is invalid.

That said, they have a week more to draw up a new defense, so it really depends on what they pull out of their @$$.. hopefully, and probably $#!+

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Okay. can someone please explain this court stuff because some people don't understand. i agree. this is confusing to me too. :coockoo:

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

It's just such bullshit that Wade and James haven't had to answer for anything yet. Right now they are getting away with actual crimes and there doesn't seem to be any indication it will change anytime soon.

Had I been Mike's brother and the finances for it, I would have hired a PI to do some serious research on those two pieces of shit and if not that, I'd sue them to hell and back. Wtf man.

 

[WannaScream]

Wait? so what the whole point of this case in the first place? if they not suing HBO then....???? what point of this?

They are trying to sue HBO! Hopefully this will start some public discussion about whether it's right to only have defamation laws for the living. The Estate are lucky to have this contract with the disparagement clause otherwise they wouldn't be able to do anything. Lets just hope the contract is all good and HBO get what they deserve!

 

[travis3000]

I'm worried about this case. I don't think the estate has a strong defence and let's be clear they are not suing HBO because of the documentary they are suing because of a contractual obligation. My question is, because that contract was made when Michael was obliviously alive, now he is dead, will that contract be void because it wouldn't serve any other purpose.

My gut feeling tells me the estate will lose this case. MJ has been dead 10 years, and trying to get a company to honour a 27 year old contract is going to be hard. There are always ways out of things if you have the money and time to fight it.

 

[WannaScream]

I don't know whether this contract expires? HBO are saying even if it hasn't expired (as if they aren't sure themselves of their claim it has expired??), LN has nothing to do with it and they also say it violates other policies etc. I don't know really. If the contract is still valid my gut feeling is MJE will win it because I feel LN has everything to do with it! MJE bring up that LN suggests abuse occurred during the Dangerous era which is the tour HBO were allowed to air. I'm not sure what relationship this has with the whole claim but it was specifically brought up at court.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Let's hope this contract is still good because if it's not, i don't wanna say it,..... we all probably screwed. >_

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Let's hope this contract is still good because if it's not, i don't wanna say it,..... we all probably screwed. >_

 

[Robbsaber01]

On a positive note MJ is trending here in Canada on twitter

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

On a positive note MJ is trending here in Canada on twitter

That's great news!