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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Silverstone said:
This is the kinda perception some deluded people online are spuing....."Public records and court documents obtained under duress and the threat of legal action by those who had the financial means to ruin someone else is hardly credible or objective.

in WR's case a threatened legal action from Jackson's lawyers if he didn't testify as an adult the same thing he testified as an 11 year old CHILD ?"

I've already replied but sometimes I wonder why I bother.
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When did Wade say this? From what I recall he didn't portray it like that at all.

Also here, MJs kids' nanny, Grace, says Robson was asking, during the trial to have his wedding at Neverland saying it was such a special place to him and his family and Michael has been like a father to him, so it would mean a lot.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Caramelicedtea/status/1103784403631833089

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-j...-sex-abuse-allegations-hbos/story?id=61531201
 
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New lie.

Safechuck claims he spent Thanksgiving in 1987 with Michael. But Michael was performing in Brisbane all the way on the other side of the world. What's even more astonishing is this footage is in the film!

They show Wade dancing on stage with Michael in Brisbane, on the same night Safechuck is claiming he was with Michael!
 
The Sun crappaper is trying to say the song "do you know where your children are?" is "chilling clue" about Michael, they using this song as some sort of 'proof ' against him...
I know it's tabloid and we should ignore but it just shows the bullshit they are trying to do
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4248189 said:
And even more proof that the MSM doesn't give a SHIT about the truth.

Wow Brandi Jackson is saying Good Morning America and ABC cancelled her planned television interviews and never gave a straight answer.

Apparently those are just the BIG networks that cancelled her interviews.

Check out @asap_rickey’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/asap_rickey/status/1104554145044934657?s=09
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She needs to let that be known. That is the same network/show MJ had to threathen during his trial in 2005 in printing lies. That is why I do not watch to this day.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Ha Lisa Bloom who is friends with Harvey Weinstein and Oprah spoke up against us!

https://youtu.be/49rodTV1N-M
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That trashy tramp is full of it. Cant stand her. She know nothing about fans. Hey Lisa, your crazy mother left the Chandler case after being on it for two days. Why was that done @#$%?
Then she appeared on Geraldo 1993 a month later talking as if she did not believe the chandler after attacking MJ in a press conference. I wish I could find that espisole.​
 
L.T.D said:
New lie.

Safechuck claims he spent Thanksgiving in 1987 with Michael. But Michael was performing in Brisbane all the way on the other side of the world. What's even more astonishing is this footage is in the film!

They show Wade dancing on stage with Michael in Brisbane, on the same night Safechuck is claiming he was with Michael!
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Good lord. Oh but wait, this just means Michael already had a way to make a clone of himself. He just knew the right people :)

Nah, on a serious note, unbelievable. They are getting EXPOSED all the way, it's like Terrell said. Problem is, how do we get those kind of revelations into the mainstream media, when they don't even give Brandi Jackson a chance?????

How can we get that out there? I think that's probably on the estate.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4248049 said:
How I make clear to people that Latoya was forced to tell lies about Michael? I actually see people bringing this up. What's a good, brief summary of it?

Unbelievable that we're coping with this again, unbelievable.
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They are using the forced words of someone who was under domestic abuse. She was a victim of domestic violence of her manager and husband at the time- he forced her to marry him. Jack Gordon. She has said he made her say all that stuff. Not just about Michael but other things about the Jackson family too. He was isolating her, controlling her, beating and threatening her with death of her and family members, and getting money for the interviews she was getting stating these things.

He had ties to the mafia. LaToya alludes to this in interviews to why she was so scared of him and believed the threats that he would kill her and family members.

This youtube video details the control and abuse she was under:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=om8CjBgthJo

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBonTheBrain/status/1101795539471880194

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gordon_(entertainment_manager)

There's probably more videos on YouTube.

As we know, since this she has supported and defended her brother. She was with him during the trial.

In the 1970s, Gordon ran arcades at Circus Circus in Las Vegas.[2] He later bought controlling interest in a Los Angeles massage parlor called Circus Maximus in West Hollywood. Gordon subsequently bought two additional massage parlors, one in Signal Hill and the other in Costa Mesa, California.[3] In 1984 a conviction for pandering in Los Angeles resulted in three months probation.[1]

Bribe offer to Gaming Commission chairman Harry Reid

In 1978, Jack Gordon offered $12,000 to then-chairman of the Nevada Gaming Commission Harry Reid to approve two new, carnival-like gaming devices (Flip-A-Winna and Penny Falls) for casino use. Gordon believed the games would bring him more than $100 million in profits. Reid notified the FBI and allowed agents to videotape a meeting with Gordon in his office. At the point where Reid asked, "Is this the money?" FBI agents burst in to arrest Gordon. Reid, a former boxer, exclaimed "You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!" and attempted to strangle Gordon, before startled agents pulled him off.[4] Gordon was convicted in federal court in 1979 and sentenced to six months in prison.[3] In 1981, Reid's wife found a bomb attached to one of their cars, a bomb Reid suspects was placed by Gordon.

Management and marriage to La Toya Jackson

In the mid-1980s, Gordon began to manage La Toya Jackson alongside her father, Joseph. In the late 1980s, he took over her management completely. He married her in Reno, Nevada on September 5, 1989, claiming that it was for her own protection against kidnapping by the Jackson family. La Toya Jackson states that this was both unplanned and against her wishes. According to Jackson; "I told him, 'No way, Jack! I can't marry you. You know what marriage means to me. I've never been in love; I don't even date.... It's not right. I don't love you. I don't have feelings for you.'" [6] Jackson claims to have tried to run out of the chapel three times but bodyguard Antonio Rossi grabbed her saying, "There's some things you have to do. Even if you don't want to." [7][8] Jackson told Ebony magazine the marriage was "strictly in name only. It has never been consummated." [6] Six months into the marriage, Jackson asked Gordon for an annulment in Italy. In response, she claims that Gordon repeatedly bashed her head against the side of a table, saying that he would never let her go. Paparazzi subsequently photographed Jackson with black eyes, which Gordon claimed was caused by intruders.[7][9][10] From this point forward, Jackson lost all contact with her family and wrote her autobiography, La Toya: Growing up in the Jackson Family, which accused her father of child abuse.[11]

Gordon sometimes hired bodyguards to watch La Toya and she claims that he would never allow her to speak to or see her family. La Toya's father Joseph stated in his book The Jacksons that he believed Gordon brainwashed her and made her fearful of her own family.[12] Jackson's mother Katherine also agreed that La Toya had been brainwashed while Gordon claimed that Katherine had tried to kill La Toya.[13] Sister Janet concurred with her parents saying at the time, "I think this guy who is with her has brainwashed her and made her like this... He keeps her away from the family, and now he's brainwashed her so much she keeps herself away from us." [14] In 1993, in their New York home, Gordon allegedly beat La Toya repeatedly with a heavy brass dining room chair, leaving Jackson with contusions on her face, arms, legs and back in addition to a black eye, lip and chin swollen to "the size of a clenched fist," requiring 12 stitches in her mouth. Jackson told reporters, "he kicked me in the mouth (and) the boot went right up under my lip . . . all the way through the skin and burst my lip." Jackson supposedly lost consciousness during the beating, leading Gordon to believe she was dead. She recalled, "He called his friends and said, 'She's dead. I killed her,' because I was lying in a puddle of blood and I was out."[15] Gordon was arrested but then released, claiming self-defense after La Toya "came at" him with a knife. He then declared to the press that he was undergoing radiation treatments for cancer.[16][17][18]

In December 1993, Gordon hastily arranged a press conference in Tel Aviv, where he had Jackson read a statement that she believed sex abuse allegations against her younger brother Michael were true.[19] She stated, "I cannot and will not be a silent collaborator in his crimes against young children... Forget about the superstar, forget about the icon. If he was any other 35-year-old man who was sleeping with little boys, you wouldn't like this guy". Gordon claimed La Toya had proof which she was prepared to disclose for a fee of $500,000. A bidding war between US and UK tabloids began, but fell through when they realized that her revelations were not what she had claimed them to be.[20] According to La Toya, Gordon threatened to have siblings Michael and Janet killed if she didn't follow his orders.[15] Under Gordon's management, Jackson's career declined, as he booked her disreputable jobs such as spokesperson for the Psychic Friends Network. Due to Gordon's steady stream of publicity stunts Jackson had become a hate figure of sorts. In 1996, Gordon attempted to force Jackson to dance at a Reading PA strip club. She refused to do so and in return, was booed and heckled by the predominantly male crowd.[21] When Jackson became aware that Gordon was planning to feature her in a pornographic film, she decided she'd had enough. Jackson phoned brother Randy, who flew to New York City to help her escape while Gordon was out.[22][23] Days later, La Toya filed for divorce.[24]

Accusations about the Jackson family

While La Toya was in seclusion for four years, Gordon continued to make accusations about the Jackson family; he claimed that La Toya's younger brother Michael had performed monkey sacrifice rituals, abused Bubbles the chimpanzee, and even accused him of forcing Lisa Marie Presley to marry him. In 2002, Gordon did interviews advertising his tell-all book of the Jackson family entitled The Jackson Family: The True Story Of The Most Powerful Family In The Music Industry. The entire family — including his former wife — stated that his allegations were "pure fantasy." [25]

Mafia associations

FBI wiretaps in 1994, linked Gordon to Genovese crime family member James "Little Jimmy" Ida. Gordon was taped arranging for mobsters to shadow Jackson on a trip to Russia. Gordon paid the group $1,500 a month for at least two years to protect Jackson from "shakedowns" by rival mobsters. Gordon also employed the services of organized crime defense attorney and former Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman.[26][27]

Other entertainment clients

Jack Gordon had few other entertainment clients apart from La Toya Jackson. Before Gordon became La Toya's co-manager with her father in the late 1980s (and eventually manager) it was widely known he had a disreputable past including trouble with the law. Joseph Jackson was always fearful of Gordon as he believed Gordon was probably armed.[12] Gordon's clients included John Wayne Bobbitt, Divine Brown, Gloria Gaynor, Shannen Doherty, and Sharon Stone.[28][29] In 1999, Gordon claimed that Paula Jones, a pivotal figure in the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton, had confided in him that Clinton had not sexually harassed her as she originally claimed. Gordon arranged Jones' nude spread in Penthouse, and claimed he helped her launch a psychic hotline. However, in a March, 1999 CNN Politics website article, Susan Carpenter McMillan, a confidante and former adviser to Jones, issued a statement from Jones that she had not, nor would she ever do anything with a psychic hotline.;[30] McMillan also has stated that Gordon was "obsessed" with the former Arkansas state employee, phoning her up to 15 times a day.[31]
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DDam said:
They are using the forced words of someone who was under domestic abuse. She was a victim of domestic violence of her manager and husband at the time- he forced her to marry him. Jack Gordon. She has said he made her say all that stuff. Not just about Michael but other things about the Jackson family too. He was isolating her, controlling her, beating and threatening her with death of her and family members, and getting money for the interviews she was getting stating these things.

He had ties to the mafia. LaToya alludes to this in interviews to why she was so scared of him and believed the threats that he would kill her and family members.

This youtube video details the control and abuse she was under:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=om8CjBgthJo

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBonTheBrain/status/1101795539471880194

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gordon_(entertainment_manager)

There's probably more videos on YouTube.

As we know, since this she has supported and defended her brother. She was with him during the trial.
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La Toya is a ****ing liar and was a jealous bitch. No one forced her to do any of that. She willingly did it. Look at her now not defending him still because she has a show on Okrah's network. A scumbag.
 
Reed is now posting pictures of T.J and mj from the why video (the idiot thinks its taj) and is naming him as a victim. Bush has called him out. The more he goes on the more he shows his colours.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Reed is now posting pictures of T.J and mj from the why video (the idiot thinks its taj) and is naming him as a victim. Bush has called him out. The more he goes on the more he shows his colours.
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A paedophile and racist. I have found out he used to work as a chef in a z list restaurant and BBC hired him to do some freelance work because he is a Russian immigrant. The estate needs to look into his past. He is very creepy.
 
I feel like we shouldn't be throwing allegations around like that. Kinda makes us look stupid. He's creepy yeah.
 
Speed_Demon87;4248230 said:
I agree with this. I don’t fall for the story that her husband made her say those things at the time.

Just like the rest of the Jacksons, all jealous of MJ’s success bar Janet.
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His family has stood by him when it mattered. Don't disrespect them you troll.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Reed is now posting pictures of T.J and mj from the why video (the idiot thinks its taj) and is naming him as a victim. Bush has called him out. The more he goes on the more he shows his colours.
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Bush?

Soundmind said:
Someone who advocates for a boy/man love is a paedophile.
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The way he describes that alleged relationship between a adult man and a young boy is creepy as hell yeah, suspicious as hell too. Because he doesn't say "it was a fulfilling loving relationship for Michael" but he says it in general. It's very off.

But then again, it seems this trash is partly based on Victor's book, and that guy is all sorts off suspicious. Start a investigation on them and look what kind of dirt will be uncovered.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Reed is now posting pictures of T.J and mj from the why video (the idiot thinks its taj) and is naming him as a victim. Bush has called him out. The more he goes on the more he shows his colours.
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I remember this from the huffington post article which exposed the faked photoshoped pictures with the naked boys in the tabloid articles.
They faked also pictures back in the day from the photosoot of MJ wih 3T.
Here is the article:
https://guce.oath.com/collectConsen...c50-9449-5f500617e352&lang=en-US&inline=false

Did Dan Reed use one of the faked pictures which were exposed in this article?

Dan Reed remebers me now on MJFacts who is so evil and calls nearly everyone who was in MJs company a victim.
Wade did this too in one of his last interviews.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

elusive moonwalker said:
Theroux is an idiot. Still upset that bashir stole his thunder in 03. Bandwaggon jumper who can only get any attention by talking about mj. Saville had hundreds of allegations made against him was never properly investigated because the bbc (how ironic) and police covered it up. so was never put on trial. theroux had no problem hanging out with him but no doubt had heard all the whispers that those high up in the bbc covered up.

The only ppl that ever accused mj were paid by the press,the police filed lawsuits for money or never even met him. Yet grand juries the FBI and a jury found no credible evidence against him. Maybe that tells you something god forbid. But then as normal mj is used as a deflection tactic.
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It's like Theroux is constantly trying to make up for his misjudgement of Savile - it's understandable in a way psychologically, but actually he's making the exact same mistake, letting himself influenced by emotions/feelings instead of rational.

And how ironic the comparisons people uneducated on the case (and/or too lazy to think logically) like to mention - e.g. Savile or O.J. - are very bad examples and the differences in the cases are actually very apparent:
- O.J.'s case wasn't a "he said/she said" case like MJ's (when the goal of the trial is to determine if the alleged acts happened), it's a fact that two people were killed, so the purpose of the proceedings was to find out who did it.
- Savile's case is that of a true predator (hundreds of accusers not one/two in every ten years, all demanding money first), and whose treatment was the perfect opposite of MJ's: although he was accused already in his lifetime it never became public, he was never properly investigated, but protected by authorities and powerful "friends", and even after his death when hundreds of accusers came forward BBC tried to cover up for him instead of taking responsibility.

BBC must be happy now to be able to deal with MJ instead of Savile (too bad for them their reputation will never be the same), and to project their own overlooking and covering up for the latter on MJ - who was never protected by power, on the contrary, was investigated by authorities to shreds and was never given a fair treatment in the media. It's a good distraction for them, much like for Weinstein in the US.

Edited to inlcude this as a background on the Savile case:
elusive moonwalker said:
Why did the BBC and police cover it up?
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Because saville was seen as a god like figure. A national treasure.he had been a DJ on radio one in the 60's became a t v presenter.was close friends with princess diana amongst other royals. Was lorded for his charity work.raising money for hospitals etc. He had alot of friends in very high places royals goverment.long before he died there were claims and police wanting to investigate but it was shut down by those higher up along with those who ran the BBC.when he died there was a docu. Mainly claims by old women. (He used to do charity work in hospitals and was allowed to go literally anywhere because of who he was.) then literally 300 plus people came out.some prob jumping on the bandwagon but that stilk leaves alot. the bbc ended up paying out compensation for the cover up
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He is definitely a paedophilia promoter to me
Let him speak and twit all he wants, he is digging his own hole.
 
Soundmind;4248229 said:
La Toya is a ****ing liar and was a jealous bitch. No one forced her to do any of that. She willingly did it. Look at her now not defending him still because she has a show on Okrah's network. A scumbag.
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Speed_Demon87;4248230 said:
I agree with this. I don’t fall for the story that her husband made her say those things at the time.

Just like the rest of the Jacksons, all jealous of MJ’s success bar Janet.
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Wow... I knew some people would respond like this. Is our aim to to defend Michael or to attack LaToya? These are explanations to give to 'haters'/doubters and those who think he's guilty, to defend Michael. No matter what you think, these are explanations, and help defend Michael. Rejecting them doesn't help the argument, it helps the 'haters'/doubters/those that think he's guilty and that this proves it. Your explanations that she was 'jealous' won't cut it. Are we trying to defend Michael or not
 
Michael Che's joke on Saturday night live was one of the most foul things I've heard on TV.

 
DDam said:
Wow... I knew some people would respond like this. Is our aim to to defend Michael or to attack LaToya? These are explanations to give to 'haters'/doubters and those who think he's guilty, to defend Michael. No matter what you think, these are explanations, and help defend Michael. Rejecting them doesn't help the argument, it helps the 'haters'/doubters/those that think he's guilty and that this proves it. Your explanations that she was 'jealous' won't cut it. Are we trying to defend Michael or not
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You simply must put him on your ignorelist til the Admins bann him or he gets tiered.
He deserves no answer or attention!
Don't quote him!
He is an influencer!
 
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