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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Huge revelations are happening but the people that come with them get attacked. Razorfist has been facing tons of hate and pathetic comments, people attacking him etc. It's utterly sad and pathetic that even when they have these facts and proof thrown in their ugly faces they still want to deny it or worse attack the person providing these facts.

**** those people, seriously, just **** them.
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Those are people who seek out drama to trash talk everyone. Believe me, the work pays off of us an MJ with facts.
 
I thought about if we should craeate a new # on youtube for LN Debunking/ MJ defending videos which people can search when they are interested in to hear the other/Defense side.
Cause #LeavingNeverland didn't work amymore. The informarive debunked and defense videos get absolutly overlooked in the flood of videos.
I don't know if a # can be edited from users so that videos who did not fit to this subject or are not relevant enough can be delated from the #.
 
Blondie said:
This the chubby one with horrible make-up? :scream: I get these clowns mixed up. She's the one that thinks she doesn't owe the estate any money now because 'well..Michaels dead now...so' :hysterical:
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She's just bitter because she didn't get to play the Orca in Free Willy
 
Glanni;4249400 said:
do we know why james said in 2005 that mj was a „bad man“?

this is something i am wondering about and haters definitely know how to interpret it.
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we only have his and his mums words that he even said this. The implication is that he gave that as a reason to his mum for not wanting to testify in Michaels defence without actually confessing to the abuse.
 
AG5050 said:
we only have his and his mums words that he even said this. The implication is that he gave that as a reason to his mum for not wanting to testify in Michaels defence without actually confessing to the abuse.
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Yeah and since mommy dearest hasn't been exactly honest herself with her doing a little dance when MJ died (riiiiiight) she's very untrustworthy.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Guys I've been wondering ever since we got the stuff about Johnny Depp yesterday. When the LA PD did the raid on Neverland, surely they retrieved camera footage and what not? We all know Michael has been cleared of any wrongdoing. Now I have no idea if there was a cam inside the places James and Wade claimed the abuse happened, but if there were..... the police should have all that footage, right?
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CCTV works on a loop,so old recordings are covered with up to date footage unless something is worth keeping.

I imagine the SBPD took footage,looked at it and found nothing.
 
Blondie said:
This the chubby one with horrible make-up? :scream: I get these clowns mixed up. She's the one that thinks she doesn't owe the estate any money now because 'well..Michaels dead now...so' :hysterical:

Whoever asked what media was picking it up, its not much but some articles are floating around now, maybe from smaller sources. The express (shit paper I know) did one covering Brandi's part of the story.Maybe thats nothing but I think its progress

Edit: maybe someone could inform the estate that she's off shooting her mouth again and that she's under the impression she doesn't owe them anything. If she seriously thinks that debt died with Michael then she can't have paid them anything for 10 years now? I don't know how these things work mind you
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Don't this trick know people can pull up her court testimony and see her lies she told UNDER OATH.
 
[FONT=&quot]Letter to Jimmy.

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[FONT=&quot]Jimmy Have you tried grief counselling ? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Dan and wade lack empathy , they are evil throughout , I sense you are not . You seem pretty child like in some ways yourself [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You come across as being dependant on your mother You come across as being controlled.
To be honest ,you seem pretty naive and its not surprising considering you are around some awful shady characters. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I suppose you being a close friend of Michael's, caring deeply and then losing him so suddenly , would play havoc with your mindset . [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Seems like be you might be suffering in serve delusion and even anger . thus , resulting in getting yourself involved in all of this . We all miss Michael ok ? but he is gone and you know better than to speak ill of your friend because you wouldn't speak this nonsense if he was alive.
Have you really tried CBT Jimmy?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]because the help you claimed to have seeked wasnt strong enough and while delusional disorder is difficult to treat you can probably beat this with CBT, if you really want . I have faith in you Mr Safechuck. Please know this . I am a fan who is not angry with you, but i am angry at Robson, the two mothers , and the director , but not with you .[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I feel you have been used by the people for your otherwise good nature ,,..I feel for you in that way, ..Been used to tell lies for fake friends for possible profit, and for definite gain . after all you were the one who some fans believed first. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You were used to make fans feel pity and take notice of Robsons lie . Wade could not have that affect on fans emotionally. They used you. Please dissociate yourself with wade Robson he is not your friend. Grief and depression affects people in the strangest ways , Jimmy.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Best wishes [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]From An MJ fan.[/FONT]
 
Looks like the Russians don't want to broadcast this, as it 'provokes controversial public reaction'. (But it's available online).

IN RUSSIA 12:26, ​​march 14, 2019
"First Channel" refused to show the movie "Leaving Neverland" about Michael Jackson

Moscow. March 14th. INTERFAX.RU - "Channel One" will not show the documentary "Leaving Neverland" about Michael Jackson, writes on Thursday the newspaper "Vedomosti" referring to a source in the television station.

Later, on Channel One, they commented on the situation around the film. "Leaving Neverland" will not be shown on television, but the sensational documentary can be viewed on the Channel One website. It is already available for viewing, "- said in a statement channel, received in" Interfax "on Thursday.

On Channel One, it was noted that the film had earlier provoked "controversial public reaction, speculation and aggression on the part of both supporters and opponents of the film."

“In this situation, Channel One has decided to postpone the Russian premiere of Leaving Neverland to its Internet resources,” the report explains.

Earlier it was reported that Channel One had planned to show a film produced by HBO on the night of March 15-16.

The characters of the film were James Seyfchak and Wade Robson, who visited the Jackson ranch of Neverland and, according to their confessions, were sexually abused there.

The premiere of the film took place at the 2019 Sundance Film Festival, triggering a mixed reaction. Radio stations in different Western countries decided to remove Jackson's songs from the air. The singer's family before the premiere filed a lawsuit against HBO for $ 100 million for spreading defamation.

In 2003, a trial was held against the singer of molesting minors. The prosecution alleged that most of the singer’s alleged atrocities had occurred on the Neverland ranch. In 2005, Jackson was acquitted by the jury, after which he resigned. After the trial, the singer went to Bahrain, preferring to live outside the United States.

In March 2009, Michael announced that he was going to give the latest series of concerts in London called "This Is It Tour". The concert tour did not take place due to the death of the singer on June 25, 2009 as a result of an overdose of drugs.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/654190
 
This is some nice news, just to get our spirits up guys!

Telephone provider Simpel in Holland has Love never felt so good as their waiting chime when you call them.

My friend told the lady on the phone there how cool it was that they had this, even with this stupid shit going on. And she said... yeah you know, some people just don't believe that trash.

Superb!
 
After the birthday video with James Family but no MJ came again in my mind, I thought about if we can maybe proof that MJ celebrated no birthday together with Wade and James.
This would discredit the love story a little bit more... I think...

I mean it is intresting that they have in general no birthday messages from MJ excect the maybe faked one from 1990.
 
SO yesterday I got tired of people not listening to me o social media/youtube (I created a new accnt after mine was suspended).. I kept getting shut down even before i shared fact.. So I put the bait out there a little differently, I responded to messages saying he's guilty with short comments like. "It's actually very easy to call out the lies in the doc." .. "Yeah you believe them because you are unaware of what they keep out, it's very easy to disprove" … I woke up to 10 messages basically saying "prove it".. so I responded with a list I typed up of facts!

It was nice because I wanted to know who is actually reading the facts and I wanted to target doubters..
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Ron Newt died today. The guy that stayed loyal to Mike, when he was offered 200k to talk dirt about MJ. I read that DJVlad had a brand new interview very soon with him.

Rest in peace!
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These people like Aaron Carter and this person need to save there offers to put in the taj docuseries to express how the media entices people to talk sh** about Michael...
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128591;&#127997;, I can’t believe more people aren’t seeing thru these lies. Slowly but surely the MJfam is educating them. <a href="https://t.co/0VdOOwtLsY">https://t.co/0VdOOwtLsY</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1106212354516094976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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James from (british band) Busted is helping call out the bullshit. Reignighting my teenage Busted fandom :clap:
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Here is the very touching story to this:

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The true Michael!

KOPV said:
These people like Aaron Carter and this person need to save there offers to put in the taj docuseries to express how the media entices people to talk sh** about Michael...
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Oh absolutely! Aaron Carter is not having any of it. I'm sure he'd be willing to be in the rebuttal.
 
Taj, the MJfam knows, we have been educated.. We need to educate THEM! Let's do this mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! agh, I hate the headlines all over the place
 
Just watched the Oprah interview with the accusers. Sorry if this has been mentioned before but did anyone notice how Oprah was saying to James something about "I mean you had a wedding!" and James just looks like he's thinking "this is so ridiculous" and then WADE answers the question "right". James follows with "right". James looked like he was about to crack right there and why is Wade answering a question directed at James? Can't remember if Wade was supposed to have "married" MJ as well thought it was just James. Anyway looked to me like Wade was making sure James stayed on the right track with the story and encouraging him to answer a question James found ridiculous.

Secondly, how can any adult male say he didn't realise it was abuse? That's alarm bells right there for me. Ok so he was supposedly "brainwashed" and groomed" but how is he allowed to admit in public that as an adult he didn't realise this sort of thing (and it's soo graphic) was wrong? It's almost as if it gives a real pe do a get out clause. Let's say a real pe do was abused as a child, didn't realise it was abuse (supposedly) then carried on the cycle of abuse as an adult with other children. Can he then claim "oh I didn't realise it was abuse, it's love, I was brainwashed as a child by an adult to believe that" sorry that would NOT wash with anyone. We all know as adults it is wrong to do this sort of thing to kids so I can't fathom how Wade can come out and say I didn't realise this was wrong until I had my own kid and had visions of MJ doing it to my child (that also rings alarm bells-how in the hell can he admit that, is that even allowed?! I mean if it's true jeez keep that part to yourself at least! It's sick!) So any person who hasn't had a kid and has been abused might still not realise it was really abuse? Really?
 
(retired) rapper Joe Budden has a radio show and I just saw they covered LN for 40 minutes. I have no idea if they are positive but I DO expect Budden to be objective at least. I can't watch it now, but anyone that wants to see it, I'll link it below. If you end up checking it out, tell us if it's worth our time.


https://youtu.be/ol86jrGjtvg
 
The shit some of these uninformed numbskulls bring as facts on Twitter. Unbelievable.

FACT: Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages of porn magazines. FACT: One of the child survivors even drew a picture of the marks on his private parts and it was accurate as determined by courts


I believe the part about the magazines was fully fabricated by The Scum, wasn't it?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4249471 said:
The shit some of these uninformed numbskulls bring as facts on Twitter. Unbelievable.

FACT: Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages of porn magazines. FACT: One of the child survivors even drew a picture of the marks on his private parts and it was accurate as determined by courts


I believe the part about the magazines was fully fabricated by The Scum, wasn't it?
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I thought Sneddon handed the magazines to Chandler,or was it Arvizo?and that's how they got there.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4249471 said:
The shit some of these uninformed numbskulls bring as facts on Twitter. Unbelievable.

FACT: Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson&#8217;s on the same pages of porn magazines. FACT: One of the child survivors even drew a picture of the marks on his private parts and it was accurate as determined by courts


I believe the part about the magazines was fully fabricated by The Scum, wasn't it?
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yes, when the prosecution hands him a magazine and asks "Did Michael Jackson show you this".. That is FACT!
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4249471 said:
The shit some of these uninformed numbskulls bring as facts on Twitter. Unbelievable.

FACT: Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson&#8217;s on the same pages of porn magazines. FACT: One of the child survivors even drew a picture of the marks on his private parts and it was accurate as determined by courts


I believe the part about the magazines was fully fabricated by The Scum, wasn't it?
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Not true at all.
 
jools87 said:
Just watched the Oprah interview with the accusers. Sorry if this has been mentioned before but did anyone notice how Oprah was saying to James something about "I mean you had a wedding!" and James just looks like he's thinking "this is so ridiculous" and then WADE answers the question "right". James follows with "right". James looked like he was about to crack right there and why is Wade answering a question directed at James? Can't remember if Wade was supposed to have "married" MJ as well thought it was just James. Anyway looked to me like Wade was making sure James stayed on the right track with the story and encouraging him to answer a question James found ridiculous.

Secondly, how can any adult male say he didn't realise it was abuse? That's alarm bells right there for me. Ok so he was supposedly "brainwashed" and groomed" but how is he allowed to admit in public that as an adult he didn't realise this sort of thing (and it's soo graphic) was wrong? It's almost as if it gives a real pe do a get out clause. Let's say a real pe do was abused as a child, didn't realise it was abuse (supposedly) then carried on the cycle of abuse as an adult with other children. Can he then claim "oh I didn't realise it was abuse, it's love, I was brainwashed as a child by an adult to believe that" sorry that would NOT wash with anyone. We all know as adults it is wrong to do this sort of thing to kids so I can't fathom how Wade can come out and say I didn't realise this was wrong until I had my own kid and had visions of MJ doing it to my child (that also rings alarm bells-how in the hell can he admit that, is that even allowed?! I mean if it's true jeez keep that part to yourself at least! It's sick!) So any person who hasn't had a kid and has been abused might still not realise it was really abuse? Really?
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See, you are picking up what I picked up as well. I wont be surprise I the pressure/demons start eating at James and he will crack.
And this is why so many people are ticked off with Oprah. U put these liars in an audience of people who were suppose to be victims. These fools were no victims.
 
During the Oprah interview it really looks like Safechuck could have cracked at any second, but look at Robson's face (If you can stomach it) it's cold and emotionless.
 
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