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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Everything about this stinks. What a complete and utter joke.. Clowns. I can't get over the fact they are going to spread their vitriol over on YT.... We'll see how that works out for them lol 🤡 I have zero respect for you WR.. because some of us really are real victims of certain abuse when growing up and beyond that. 💯 I, for one can tell you are lying from the way you go about telling your ' story'.
 
wendijane said:
I think they will have to turn off their YouTube comments then. Wouldn't wanna be them LOL . I have a really really really strong feeling that this is going to tank.
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I hope they leave the comments open! Lol. Though I hate when people say vile things about Michael (because the trolls will) I also know folks (and not just fan fans) are gonna light those three scumbags up! 🍿
 
Galactus123 said:
I hope the fans don't give it views.
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They can't if they don't watch, watching it for me would be hypocritical I couldn't and wouldn't just seeing ads on c 4 is enough. It's even made not want to ever watch that channel again
 
Toxic34 said:
Reed claims that "Michael's fans have sent me thousands of death threats, showing how unhinged they truly are," in an interview with The Guardian. Of course, he doesn't provide any evidence of death threats, show any of them.
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He always ends up making it about himself
 

John Ziegler
@Zigmanfreud
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Mar 13


How does any rational person blindly believe these obvious frauds, especially when you learn even the basic facts surrounding their absurd allegations?!



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Channel 4 Dispatches

@C4Dispatches
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Mar 13
Wade Robson and James Safechuck describe the emotional toll getting their cases to court, in a ten-year legal battle against Michael Jackson’s companies.
 
Absolute Goon said:
I feel like fans literally give LN and Dan Reed all the free promo he wants
It's not that hard to not interact with bullshit
Even with MJ fans interacting with the BS, barely anyone even knows about LN2 LOL
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I agree I see "fans" making sure to make threads on certain forums to draw attention to every negative thing coming out about mj promoting LN2. It's sick.
 
Annita said:

John Ziegler
@Zigmanfreud
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Mar 13


How does any rational person blindly believe these obvious frauds, especially when you learn even the basic facts surrounding their absurd allegations?!



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Channel 4 Dispatches

@C4Dispatches
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Mar 13
Wade Robson and James Safechuck describe the emotional toll getting their cases to court, in a ten-year legal battle against Michael Jackson’s companies.
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Ziegler is not a true ally. For God's sakes, he defends Jerry Sandusky and claims that Sandusky is innocent. He repeatedly doxxed and threatened Victim One, Aaron Fisher, and his mother. And he's not even really defending Sandusky for the main reason of clearing HIM. Ziegler cares about absolving Joe Paterno, and will use any way he can do it, even to the point of rewriting history and trying to gaslight us that these very real crimes never happened.

Ziegler is a parasite in trying to attach himself to Michael. He's only doing this because he wants attention and to get people back into buying his Sandusky/JoePa garbage.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Leaving Neverland parts 1 and 2 currently on channel 4 right now here in the UK.

Extremely uncomfortable viewing, I’ve just switched it on for a few minutes and already I’m disgusted.
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You shouldn't be disgusted over false stories that aren't true.

You should be disgusted with Wade and James for making that shit up to manipulate you.

They are truly evil incarnate


ETA: Also why help the ratings? Like someone said fans are giving LN most of the publicity it gets for free.

If you insist on watching the filth. You should at least take note of all the things Reed has edited out because we debunked their lies with facts. Like the trainstation for example.
 
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Toxic34 said:
Ziegler is not a true ally. For God's sakes, he defends Jerry Sandusky and claims that Sandusky is innocent. He repeatedly doxxed and threatened Victim One, Aaron Fisher, and his mother. And he's not even really defending Sandusky for the main reason of clearing HIM. Ziegler cares about absolving Joe Paterno, and will use any way he can do it, even to the point of rewriting history and trying to gaslight us that these very real crimes never happened.

Ziegler is a parasite in trying to attach himself to Michael. He's only doing this because he wants attention and to get people back into buying his Sandusky/JoePa garbage.
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Oh, I did not know about it.
 
kelley said:
You shouldn't be disgusted over false stories that aren't true.

You should be disgusted with Wade and James for making that shit up to manipulate you.

They are truly evil incarnate


ETA: Also why help the ratings? Like someone said fans are giving LN most of the publicity it gets for free.

If you insist on watching the filth. You should at least take note of all the things Reed has edited out because we debunked their lies with facts. Like the trainstation for example.
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It was only a few mins I put it on for and at the tail end of the show.

Regardless of the lies , it does do a good job of making the viewer feel very uncomfortable and creeped out.

It has really eerie tone throughout . The music played and sometimes very quiet moments with those getting interviewed are not nice.
 
Thriller_MJ said:
Leaving Neverland 2 is going to tank spectacularly. Theres been hardly any engagement from anyone about it. The only people i see talking about it are fans.
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Yes , seems very little talk about it , will go down like a damp squib thankfully.
 
Toxic34 said:
Ziegler is not a true ally. For God's sakes, he defends Jerry Sandusky and claims that Sandusky is innocent. He repeatedly doxxed and threatened Victim One, Aaron Fisher, and his mother. And he's not even really defending Sandusky for the main reason of clearing HIM. Ziegler cares about absolving Joe Paterno, and will use any way he can do it, even to the point of rewriting history and trying to gaslight us that these very real crimes never happened.

Ziegler is a parasite in trying to attach himself to Michael. He's only doing this because he wants attention and to get people back into buying his Sandusky/JoePa garbage.
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None of the above proves his feelings & reporting on the Michael Jackson cases is not honest and credible! Its all speculation by you, to the benfit of no one except maybe guilters if you get MJ fans to turn on Ziegler in public which would be an own goal.
 
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Lightbringer said:
None of the above proves his feelings & reporting on the Michael Jackson cases is not honest and credible! Its all speculation by you, to the benfit of no one except maybe guilters if you get MJ fans to turn on Ziegler in public which would be an own goal.
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Because of the medias disgusting bias being exposed in several recent high profile cases.

Many people are going back and looking at older cases that were largely tried in the media with fresh eyes to see if they missed anything or if certain info was withheld from the public.

And that's a GOOD thing. Because too many times innocent people have been railroaded and falsely accused and convicted. The Justice system works well on paper, but human beings will always poison good things and Ive seen enough awful corrupt behavior from DAs and police, that I will always welcome people revisiting the evidence in any case.

I know nothing about the Sandusky case, so I can't comment but I wouldn't just dismiss Ziegler. And I would suggest you give him a chance to explain his reasoning and then you decide if he's right or wrong.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Leaving Neverland parts 1 and 2 currently on channel 4 right now here in the UK.

Extremely uncomfortable viewing, I’ve just switched it on for a few minutes and already I’m disgusted.
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Why tf would you even give them viewership? Tf kinda fan are you lmao wtf
 
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