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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Blues_Away2023 said:
she was a 12 year old tomboy 🙄. It makes no difference to me and yes totally contradicts the whole MJ into boys alone.

Not sure if it is a member of the Cascio family. There was talk that 10 people have accused MJ, 5 from the same family (Cascio)
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Seriously?!? I don't care if she was a tomboy. She either had the body parts Michael was supposedly interested in or she didn't. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she didn't.

I apologize for not being as up-to-date on the posthumous allegations aside from WR and JS. I heard about the 5 from the same family (the Cascio family) but I didn't hear about another 5. Do we know anything about them? Did they only come forward after Michael's death? Did the estate pay them off? Thx in advance for any info you may have.
 
LiveItOffTheWall said:
Isn't a central argument of all the guilters that he was exclusively into prepubescent boys? Obviously, that falls apart when JS had to change his story to him being abused until he was 16 in order to make his train station story possible. Also, this is the 1st I'm hearing of a girl. Does Jane Doe = a member of the Cascio family?
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Wasn't Safechuck 17 when the train station was completely built and open?

Blues_Away2023 said:
she was a 12 year old tomboy 🙄. It makes no difference to me and yes totally contradicts the whole MJ into boys alone.

Not sure if it is a member of the Cascio family. There was talk that 10 people have accused MJ, 5 from the same family (Cascio)
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How many of the Cascios are now accusing MJ? I first read it was either Eddie or Frank. God! MJ should never have associated w/ any of those people. They just won't let his soul rest in peace.
 
LiveItOffTheWall said:
Seriously?!? I don't care if she was a tomboy. She either had the body parts Michael was supposedly interested in or she didn't. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she didn't.

I apologize for not being as up-to-date on the posthumous allegations aside from WR and JS. I heard about the 5 from the same family (the Cascio family) but I didn't hear about another 5. Do we know anything about them? Did they only come forward after Michael's death? Did the estate pay them off? Thx in advance for any info you may have.
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Tbh I’m sure the 10 includes Chandler , Robson, Safechuck and Arvizo. So both pre and posthumous. The 5 is supposed to be all the Cascio kids , was there 5 of them?

It’s all very confusing to me. Someone on here should be able to clarify exactly who and what.

The Cascio case screams nothing but a total scam.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Tbh I’m sure the 10 includes Chandler , Robson, Safechuck and Arvizo. So both pre and posthumous. The 5 is supposed to be all the Cascio kids , was there 5 of them?

It’s all very confusing to me. Someone on here should be able to clarify exactly who and what.

The Cascio case screams nothing but a total scam.
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Got ya. Yes, Chandler, Francia, Arvizo, Robson, Safechuck and the new 5 would make 10. I just googled the Cascio family and there are 5 children. 4 boys and 1 girl. So ridiculous!

On a positive note, I got into my car this morning to head to work and what was playing on the radio as soon as I turned it on - Bad by MJ ❤️
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Tbh I’m sure the 10 includes Chandler , Robson, Safechuck and Arvizo. So both pre and posthumous. The 5 is supposed to be all the Cascio kids , was there 5 of them?

It’s all very confusing to me. Someone on here should be able to clarify exactly who and what.

The Cascio case screams nothing but a total scam.
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Yes. There are two Arvizo brothers who accused MJ, and there are also Michael Jacobshagen and Orlando Brown. Including Francia, that would be 13 total. Michael Jacobshagen and Orlando Brown are not credible, but neither are the other eleven.
 
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I didn't watch it and I'm not going to. There are no new claims or information from what I've read here, just two liars doubling down on their lies and trying to take advantage of people who want to help victims. I wasn't old enough to understand the 2005 trial but all of this makes me angry all over again about everything that ever happened to Michael. There may only be a handful of people who would trade Michael for money but look at the destruction a handful of people can cause. In their twisted minds they must feel quite powerful, even though they are cowards.

People become so invested in the fiction they tell themselves and others. It becomes a matter of protecting pride, image, the consequences of the lie...it's never too late to tell the truth but Robson and Safechuck are in deep. At least Jordan can say that his father told him to say what he did. What could ever be their excuse? We wanted attention, money, one last chance to use Michael for our own benefit? They disgust me.

Michael...what people do to you I wouldn't wish upon any person, dead or alive.
 
so jacobshagen wasnt part of it? lol

and we still dont know what this was? who interviewed him in the photos? for what?

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Aurescere said:
I didn't watch it and I'm not going to. There are no new claims or information from what I've read here, just two liars doubling down on their lies and trying to take advantage of people who want to help victims. I wasn't old enough to understand the 2005 trial but all of this makes me angry all over again about everything that ever happened to Michael. There may only be a handful of people who would trade Michael for money but look at the destruction a handful of people can cause. In their twisted minds they must feel quite powerful, even though they are cowards.

People become so invested in the fiction they tell themselves and others. It becomes a matter of protecting pride, image, the consequences of the lie...it's never too late to tell the truth but Robson and Safechuck are in deep. At least Jordan can say that his father told him to say what he did. What could ever be their excuse? We wanted attention, money, one last chance to use Michael for our own benefit? They disgust me.

Michael...what people do to you I wouldn't wish upon any person, dead or alive.
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Many people refuse to believe that a person could invent such things, such specific accusations, and yet... There's a story like this in the Old Testament of the Bible. A woman wanted to sleep with a man named Joseph (not Mary's husband, but another Joseph). Joseph, not being married to this woman (who was married to Joseph's boss), refused, asking how he could commit such a great sin against the Lord. He fled, forgetting his cloak... So the woman used this cloak as proof that she had been raped, and Joseph was subsequently imprisoned (he was later released).

If such lies were already being told over 2,000 years ago, why is it so surprising to some that people could lie like this in 2019 or 2025? Those who believe these slanderers are completely naive, but they accuse us of being naive. It's the world upside down!
 
dam2040 said:
The ratings are in... and they are a FLOP!

450,000 viewers - less than half of the usual time slot viewership

Less than a quarter of the original LN 1 viewership

Fantastic
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Yes and like we thought no-one cares about these liars. It's over & Reed needs prison. I honestly wouldn't worry bout this everyone. Going to have a cup of tea & forget all about these stupid people. thanks @dam2040 for this update.
 
kelley said:
BS2's peak viewership

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902165129204265220

🤣:LOL:😂

No doubt they will do everything to inflate the views. But this is the engagement in real time for the premier.

If Stupid fans stop watching it and promoting (call it BS2 please!) it will remain a flop.
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Quick question cos I'm on a long break from the X app. I knew BS2 is what we were calling it but does it stand for "Bull Sh*t 2"? Lol. I hope so because that's what it is.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Hopefully they will bin the rumoured 3rd part now after the terrible viewing figures of the 2nd and the hopeful MJ victory in the civil courts 💪
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I really hope these mocks bite them in the butt. I hope the judge looks at this and deems it unfair to Michael as they are pretty much trying him in the court of public opinion aka tainting the jury pool.
 
I wanted to add something the Cascios aren't 5 more accusers
Infact none of them formally have accused Michael Jackson
Only in late 2024 did one individual from the family decide to go to the estate and demand 213 million or else they would accuse Michael (again no lawsuit/case just word of mouth)
Estate took legal actions over those threats and it basically went nowhere most likely bc the dumbass that decided to extort realized they could not have won
 
Absolute Goon said:
I wanted to add something the Cascios aren't 5 more accusers
Infact none of them formally have accused Michael Jackson
Only in late 2024 did one individual from the family decide to go to the estate and demand 213 million or else they would accuse Michael (again no lawsuit/case just word of mouth)
Estate took legal actions over those threats and it basically went nowhere most likely bc the dumbass that decided to extort realized they could not have won
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Why do I feel like whatever the Cascios were doing had something to do with those fake songs? I'm not here for those folks regardless but because the estate removed those fake songs, they aren't making money off them now and so maybe that's why they either threatened the Estate (which is beyond fuxed up) and or they just greedy (which is also beyond fuxed up).
 
MJsAngelOfMusic said:
Why do I feel like whatever the Cascios were doing had something to do with those fake songs? I'm not here for those folks regardless but because the estate removed those fake songs, they aren't making money off them now and so maybe that's why they either threatened the Estate (which is beyond fuxed up) and or they just greedy (which is also beyond fuxed up).
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yep i 100% agree with you, they were really salty that their disrespectful tracks were removed by the estate after the legal troubles that happened
 
Absolute Goon said:
I wanted to add something the Cascios aren't 5 more accusers
Infact none of them formally have accused Michael Jackson
Only in late 2024 did one individual from the family decide to go to the estate and demand 213 million or else they would accuse Michael (again no lawsuit/case just word of mouth)
Estate took legal actions over those threats and it basically went nowhere most likely bc the dumbass that decided to extort realized they could not have won
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Thank you for clarifying
 
Where are these details that it was only one of the cascio family that tried to extort the estate coming from?
 
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