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Hey, this might help us to determine approximately when the urine was produced.Thank you for the clarification about hydrolysis. The bolded part is what I initially thought as well. The exact same things were found in both the urine bladder and the urine in the bottle. So I guess the other issue is whether or not the urine in the bottle came from an earlier release that night/morning (via cathether?) or from a previous night...which somehow I doubt. It wouldn't be farfetched but IF the contents in the bottle came from a previous night, that would date the urine as being over 24 hours old. If one is to believe Murray, he hadn't given Michael propofol in over 24 hours (no propofol was allegedly used to put MJ to "sleep" on the night of June 23rd). So that propofol-benzo-ephedrine laced urine in the bottle had to have come from the night of the 24th-25th OR from the 22nd (which would have been more than 24 hours prior). It's possible, the bottled urine is what Murray took off of Michael when he "found him" not breathing and was cleaning up the scene. If I remember the autopsy report correctly, they only found the catheter on Michael, no bag was attached. Perhaps Murray emptied the contents of the bag into the bottle.
I think it was Soundmind who mentioned that Murray seems to be telling another Fat Fib about what he gave Michael in the days leading up to the 25th. The tox reports, thus far, do not support his statements.
Translation: We can't really rely on Murray's statements about squat. It's all about the tox reports and what THEY say. Looks like those tox reports are going to have to do the majority of the speaking for Michael and Murray about what really happened that night/morning. It's obvious the doc hid evidence (medical items found in other places) and withheld information on the scene (didn't tell paramedics about propofol). NOTHING that comes out of this ***********'s mouth is reliable. NOTHING. The more FACTS we find out, the more I'm convinced of this. He's full of it.
Thinking back to the '03-'05 trial...the start of it...MJ kept having to go to the restroom because he was drinking bottled water. Remember that? From looking back at that moment in time, the water was going through MJ pretty quickly and holding it wasn't something that he was able to do very long. After a while, Judge Melville told MJ's defense team to tell MJ to cut back on drinking bottled water.
Now, let's come up to June 25th. Notice that there was orange juice in his room the day that he passed. It, from being a form of liquid, would probably do the same thing the bottled water did in '03.
And speaking of bottled water! One of the fans in this thread has a picture of MJ from "This Is It" in their siggy and guess what is on the table in the picture? Bottled water. I bet MJ was drinking bottled water during rehearsal on June 24th!
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Found the picture of MJ sitting at the table that has bottled water on it. Sloride is the fan that has the picture in their signature. Click on this link and scroll down to post #1124.
http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2624531#post2624531
Wouldn't be surprised of the urine was produced some time after MJ went to bed after getting home from rehearsal. I think I remember reading there was a plastic pad on the bed too. Does anyone else remember running across the part that mentions the pad?
You're welcome, wendy2004. And we can thank bouee for listing the times and dosage of what was given to MJ. As matter of fact, a big thank you should go out to everyone in this thread that is working together to piece this thing together.AllForMJ, great post. I didn't quote all of it, as it's very long, but thanks for putting all the info together like this. :flowers:
When this whole thing plays out in court, we'll be able to fill in the blanks based on new info. By putting our heads together now, though, we can get a general idea of what happened to MJ. April is still a couple of months away.
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