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Dangerous 2LP 33RPM & SACD announced

MJJuniorSinceMW said:
What the heck?
Buy it. Or don’t buy it.

But don’t clamor for a rip, if most of the people who bought this thing with there own money, don’t even hold it in their hands yet!

The nerve of some „fans“…
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actually I listened to a rip from a friend of mine but I still ordered the SACD
Victor said:
Can someone share a rip of the SACD with me? Send a dm.. Thanks!
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I think if you simply google it you will find one
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
Oh really? well, to be fair, I'm going off of memory here. (except for the 1.34198 samples part, that I just copy pasted lmao)
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It's also possible I phase corrected it years ago idk
 
mjfp said:
It's also possible I phase corrected it years ago idk
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Maybe! it's also possible you and I have rips of different time periods from Qobuz.
I have two different rips from Qobuz, one that's in 88.2kHz and another in 176.4kHz, the 88.2kHz was discontinued years ago, afaik.
I will compare them soon, but they're probably the same.
 
Maybe some guys in here need a phase correction in their ears or even between their ears!

Dissecting official HQ releases and in the next moment celebrating and glorifying a fan „remaster“ uploaded to YouTube…

Bat-shit crazy..
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Maybe some guys in here need a phase correction in their ears or even between their ears!

Dissecting official HQ releases and in the next moment celebrating and glorifying a fan „remaster“ uploaded to YouTube…

Bat-shit crazy..
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who is talking about a fan youtube remaster here?
 
Victor said:
Calm down..
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No, I won’t!
Because I‘m right, it’s that simple!
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Maybe some guys in here need a phase correction in their ears or even between their ears!

Dissecting official HQ releases and in the next moment celebrating and glorifying a fan „remaster“ uploaded to YouTube…

Bat-shit crazy..
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Hey so uuuh, not to be disrespectful or anything
but WHAT are you talking about dude? lmao
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Maybe some guys in here need a phase correction in their ears or even between their ears!

Dissecting official HQ releases and in the next moment celebrating and glorifying a fan „remaster“ uploaded to YouTube…

Bat-shit crazy..
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Nobody is talking about a fan remaster. Maybe you should make sure you have a clue what you're talking about before you start acting this obnoxious.
 
Though, sometimes fan "remasters" are better than the official stuff... Though... quality/quantity went south since the rise of AI techniques.
 
Maxym said:
Though, sometimes fan "remasters" are better than the official stuff... Though... quality/quantity went south since the rise of AI techniques.
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That‘s true, most of the video stuff online when you search for remaster or HD/4K are AI upscales with automated settings and it’s sad to see that official releases follow the same path. Not that I have anything against using AI but you have to use it properly with proper settings and post editing to get a good result.

Due to the reason that most remastered or upscaled stuff online looks terrible, I‘m currently working on restoring stuff myself properly (haven‘t actually published anything of that so far and it‘s just for private use but maybe I‘ll upload some stuff)
 
mjfp said:
Honestly, Thriller was a bit of a letdown. It actually sounded worse than the original SACD, which still holds up as the best-sounding version of the album.
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I didn't get that as I'd heard that one if the channels was inverted...

mjfp said:
Edit: With other MoFi releases, it’s hit or miss. Their slower soul titles are usually great, but when it comes to artists like MJ or the Eagles, the results can be underwhelming, especially considering the price.
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I've had good experience with Nirvana and Bob Dylan...

MJbr2 said:
Turns out the first copies of the SACD have a few issues. Channel imbalance on Jam, a click on the left channel at the beginning of the first chorus of Give in to Me. These are the flaws I could spot so far. We'd have to know whether these are issues with the SACDs only or vinyl copies are also affected.
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I'm surprised and disappointed with this... Need more info. Is it on both layers?

mjfanboy27 said:
Why are mofi vinyls sacd not available in music stores
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Their CDs used to be. And they were like £15-20 too.

To be fair, nothing is available in music stores these days.
 
Folks on the Steve Hoffman forum are now talking about this imbalance issue on Jam. Several have taken to contacting MoFi to raise an issue about this. Its on both SACD and vinyl.

I would suggest EVERYONE contact MoFi. These are expensive discs with the expectation of tremendously high quality.

This is very disappointing and have cancelled my pre-order until its been addressed one way or another. Mofi have responded to one person saying they are looking into it, but they are allegedly notorious for not providing re-presses.
 
This is the best audiophile mastering ever for Dangerous. Really open. Amazing dynamic range. Not with a few flaws, unfortunately:

- Jam channels are 15% unbalanced to the right AND submixed to -2dB to -3dB, compared to other tracks. It means the listening experience isn't seamless in terms of volume.
- Silence between tracks isn't matching the original album. The "breath" isn't the same.
- Give In To Me distorsion on guitars haven't been fixed. But it's probably part of the recording sessions, not a mastering issue
- On Will You Be There, the Symphony no.9 intro is impacted with Dolby Noise Reduction. It sounds just weird with no more high frequencies at all. The second part of the intro and the rest of the song aren't concerned.

The good news is none of those issues can't be fixed and I'm sure Mofi will do the job. If you don't mind to crank up the volume, Mofi has done it again. If you're used to a louder mastering, Apple Music might have the best of it all. A little less compressed than the one available on Qobuz.
 
MJBenito said:
This is the best audiophile mastering ever for Dangerous. Really open. Amazing dynamic range. Not with a few flaws, unfortunately:

- Jam channels are 15% unbalanced to the right AND submixed to -2dB to -3dB, compared to other tracks. It means the listening experience isn't seamless in terms of volume.
- Silence between tracks isn't matching the original album. The "breath" isn't the same.
- Give In To Me distorsion on guitars haven't been fixed. But it's probably part of the recording sessions, not a mastering issue
- On Will You Be There, the Symphony no.9 intro is impacted with Dolby Noise Reduction. It sounds just weird with no more high frequencies at all. The second part of the intro and the rest of the song aren't concerned.

The good news is none of those issues can't be fixed and I'm sure Mofi will do the job. If you don't mind to crank up the volume, Mofi has done it again. If you're used to a louder mastering, Apple Music might have the best of it all. A little less compressed than the one available on Qobuz.
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Mofi messed up disc 1 of Tango in the Night and offered replacement discs, so it's likely this will be addressed soon.
 
A response someone on the Steve Hoffman forums got from Mofi:

"Thank you for providing such detailed feedback regarding the mastering of the Michael Jackson - Dangerous SACD, specifically concerning "Jam".


We appreciate you bringing these observations to our attention. We have forwarded your comments, along with the specific issues you've identified (channel imbalance on "Jam"), to our MoFi Quality Protocol team for further review and testing. They will thoroughly investigate these reported mastering characteristics."

Please bear with us as our team looks into this. We will respond as soon as we have completed our assessment.
- Mika Lundrigan from the MoFi customer service.

Hopefully they can fix these issues, also with the vinyl version.
 
Oof- hate to be the bearer of more bad news but from what I've read Mofi have never repressed or replaced an SACD - The Fleetwood Mac "Tango In The Night" example was for the LP disc 1 to be replaced only. Here's hoping they have a satisfactory solution here.
 
innuendo141 said:
Oof- hate to be the bearer of more bad news but from what I've read Mofi have never repressed or replaced an SACD - The Fleetwood Mac "Tango In The Night" example was for the LP disc 1 to be replaced only. Here's hoping they have a satisfactory solution here.
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How have they never replaced something except for the one time they did replace something?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
How have they never replaced something except for the one time they did replace something?
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I said they've never replaced an SACD.

What they have replaced is a vinyl disc for Fleetwood Mac. It was clarifying something I posted earlier.
 
MJBenito said:
- Give In To Me distorsion on guitars haven't been fixed. But it's probably part of the recording sessions, not a mastering issue.
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You've said it yourself, but I feel like it's necessary to mention it once more: the distortion, clipping and clicks in Give In To Me are all a result of the digital distortion added to the vocals, meaning that it's intentional and this distortion shows up in every single version of this song every single available master.

Except for the promotional instrumental, which doesn't have any of those glitches for, well, obvious reasons.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
You've said it yourself, but I feel like it's necessary to mention it once more: the distortion, clipping and clicks in Give In To Me are all a result of the digital distortion added to the vocals, meaning that it's intentional and this distortion shows up in every single version of this song every single available master.

Except for the promotional instrumental, which doesn't have any of those glitches for, well, obvious reasons.
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Except the distortion is on the guitars, not the vocals.
It's especially noticeable during the guitar solo(s) where no vocals are even present.

It's not present on the instrumental version though, you are right.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Except the distortion is on the guitars, not the vocals.
It's especially noticeable during the guitar solo(s) where no vocals are even present.

It's not present on the instrumental version though, you are right.
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I'm willing to say it's present in both the lead vocals and the guitar track.
The lead was clearly digitally clipped, the guitar was straight up distorted.
There's multiple instances of clipping that shows up only on the vocals and not on the guitar track, and viceversa, of course.
I've analyzed Give In To Me in detail yesterday, multiple versions of it, that's how I found out about this.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
I'm willing to say it's present in both the lead vocals and the guitar track.
The lead was clearly digitally clipped, the guitar was straight up distorted.
There's multiple instances of clipping that shows up only on the vocals and not on the guitar track, and viceversa, of course.
I've analyzed Give In To Me in detail yesterday, multiple versions of it, that's how I found out about this.
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You could ask Bill about this on X.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
I'm willing to say it's present in both the lead vocals and the guitar track.
The lead was clearly digitally clipped, the guitar was straight up distorted.
There's multiple instances of clipping that shows up only on the vocals and not on the guitar track, and viceversa, of course.
I've analyzed Give In To Me in detail yesterday, multiple versions of it, that's how I found out about this.
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except the Vocal Version and Instrumental iirc
 
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