- Jun 2, 2020
Nite Line;4300980 said:No, an Asian male.
ScreenOrigami;4300983 said:How come you’re so judgemental towards Black people and women (or anyone not identifying as male) to call them snowflakes when you don’t share their experiences?
Nite Line;4300984 said:I have been racially abused myself, as an Asian guy living in England. I just don't like how some people like to bring racism or sexism into everything. Like this thread is a perfect example. All Michael Jackson impersonators are white and they always impersonate his later eras, so there is racism in the fan community. Absolute nonsense.
https://youtu.be/pEXluI_ut6kDo you have a link to their YouTube channel or something?
I don't see a lack of attention for Michael when he had dark skin. But there's a lot more footage, pictures, and material (adult solo) post-Thriller, so it's going to be circulated a lot more. And a lot of Michael's fans just enjoy his post-Thriller work more.alot of fans lately been noticing racism in the community. for example alot fans been saying why thriller dark skinned Michael doesn't get alot of attention like dangerous, history, and invincible michael?
Most impersonators have fair skin, so they have to do the later eras. That's not racism.some fans been noticing that alot michael jackson impersonators are white or hispanic and latino which nothing wrong with that but alot fans feel they forgetting that michael was black man.
Yes, because they have fair skin and impersonating him with dark skin would be blackface. Again, not racism.some fans feel that if michael never had vitiligo that some of them wouldn't have jobs impersonating michael in the first place.
Racism exists everywhere, so there will always be a few racists within any community. That doesn't make it a general community problem unless it's substantial and widespread.also some fans been experiencing racism to some fans not letting them join groups etc because they dark skin.
ScreenOrigami;4300986 said:This is oversimplifying NatureCriminal’s initial post. I suggest to read it again.
TheThrillerGuy;4301031 said:I do believe there’s an element of racism in the Michael Jackson fandom/fan community. I watched Michael Trapson’s video on that topic and it’s true. I’ve been a Michael Jackson fan practically my entire life, and I’m somebody that dances like Michael Jackson and it’s almost rare that the ones who go viral are black and are actually true to the style. That kid with dreadlocks from the UK, he’s cool and all that. But when it comes down to Michael Jackson’s style of dance he ain’t all that. He’s really a hip hop dancer that likes to use Michael’s music because clearly that’s what got him on Ellen. But how many more guys are like him. I know one guy from the UK too and he’s been representing Michael for years and he hasn’t gotten much recognition for it either.
I did talk about this subject in my struggle podcast[lol] about Michael though, I talk about it in detail at 1:10:15
I do think that there are people that conveniently forget that Michael was a black man. And for them to acknowledge it’s almost as if Michael has to be here to reiterate the fact. Michael Jackson was more famous than Jesus by 1983-1984 and his skin was darker. And back then you had to be black to be a Michael Jackson impersonator. Once his look became more ambiguous, other cultures started to claim him as their own.
1. Salif (who was on the 'Ellen' show) is based in Paris. (not the UK)
2. 'one guy in the UK representing Michael - hasn't got much recognition for it' - Do you mean Navi? Navi routinely sells out theatres all around the UK, and works with Jennifer Batten for performances several times a year. He also flies all around the world successfully 'repping' MJ. As far as I know, MJ is his whole career. I don't know what more 'recognition' you would like him to have?
To be truly recognised whether as a singer or dancer, you have to 'be yourself'. Which means doing what MJ did- building on the work of the greatest names in history, but also bringing something new of your own, to create your own 'signature' sound or movement style.
I'm not sure any impersonator (of anyone) has ever been truly 'recognised', in a national or world sense ???
Also- I'm not sure any 'other cultures claimed MJ as their own'? MJ has a massive following in Japan, China, Russia and South America, but I'm not sure anyone 'claimed him' as theirs? He was rightly 'acclaimed', and welcomed as someone with great empathy for other people and cultures, but I'm not sure I ever saw any 'claiming'?
Make a new thread for that please.i agree with ScreenOrigami while we at let's make this thread for MJ fans and impersonators who are black and a person of color.
Please do not post the contents of your social media accounts on the forum. It's not necessary or conducive to discussion.i'm a black MJ fan but at this point i'm not doing nothing michael related on my social media accounts (except posting pictures of him and chatting posts about his innocence etc with me being a fan etc ) so when i do i will post them here.
Pure idiocracy,in my opinion.The whole gist of this thread is that there is racism in the fan community because of the skin colour of Michael Jackson impersonators and what era they impersonate.
I didn't do it lol.This was a thread that really needed to be revived...lol
This was a thread that really needed to be revived...lol
Just came on here to say the same thing, lol. Wasn't me! Not this one!I didn't do it lol.
Half of these comments are two years old, from people that aren't even here anymore. And the only things I've seen in Thriller 40 is complaining about how badly done Thriller 40 has been. I'll take your word on the comments and all that, but we are not a monolith. You are dealing with a multinational, multigenerational group of people who admire a single artist. An artist who was doing things by the time most people were literally coming up in an entirely different world than you.I’m hurt, yet not surprised by the dismissive tone of these responses.
it’s clear that having a certain preference is allowed (and even encouraged), as long as it falls in line the majority - who are actually the minority in the bigger scheme of things..
members on here proudly display their favourite ‘eras’ in their usernames, through statements, in profile pics, signatures, etc. I exercise my right to do the same, and I get called out publicly and have my whole fandom questioned. a practice that is supposedly against the rules of this board, but more on that later..
only difference is that ‘thriller’ is my favourite, along with most of the stuff that came before it. there is a deliberate attempt to minimise and erase that part of michael’s career and life.
the common lie perpetuated is the one where Michael only released six albums during his lifetime, and did three tours. the truth is that Michael was the most active in his career between 1969 and 1985 (‘I want you back’ to ‘we are the world’), when he was constantly releasing, or working on projects - whether they were solo, with his brothers, or collaborative features. he also gave interviews and wasn’t known for being as reclusive at that point. he could have retired if he wanted to, and his legendary status would have been solidified: the eight Grammy wins, the Guinness Book of World Records for the best selling album of all time, the star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (his second, including the one with the Jacksons), were major milestones that no other artist to this day can compete with. ‘thriller’ was so huge that Michael didn’t even need to tour. those three music videos (four, including ‘say say say’), a format that he revolutionised, traveled all across the world. let’s not forget the impact of his Motown 25 performance. he broke the colour barrier on mtv and certain radio stations that refused to play black artists. which brings me to my next point..
the last time I checked the rules of this site (which was admittedly awhile ago), it was against policy to state that ‘Michael looked better when he was black’. yet there are no rules against stating the opposite.. in fact, a new member in another thread chose ‘dangerous’ as their favourite era because Michael was ‘light skinned just like me’. there was no disciplinary action taken at all, in fact the comment received likes. I can imagine the endless backlash I would receive if I stated the same about ‘thriller’ or even ‘off the wall’. I’m one of the very few black people on this board, and that’s not by coincidence..
the ‘thriller 40th anniversary’ thread was constantly derailed with comments and conversations about later albums/eras, that had nothing to do with the project. the more that I complained about that, the more I was mocked and ridiculed..
I’ve seen comments declaring that ‘off the wall’ doesn’t count as a ‘real Michael Jackson album’ and to ‘throw it in the bin’. again, could you imagine the reaction if that statement was towards his later albums? I can..
polls are made that exclude the first half of michael’s career as possible options. preventing the likes of myself from participating. many of them are created with the intention of weeding out a certain demographic of fans anyway..
yet in reality, it was ‘can you feel it’, ‘thriller’, ‘beat it’ and ‘billie jean’ that made the recent top 100 best 80s songs list, on the smooth fm radio poll, with only one other song that came after that time period..
the cruel bias practiced here does not reflect reality. you can’t rewrite history, but you’re welcome to enjoy the delusion of your alternate reality without me.
I was the one who said something along those lines and I absolutely did NOT mean it in any way that was meant to be racist, I am truly sorry if you felt like that. All I meant was that I look the most similar to those eras and that's why I like to look at pics from that time because it's easier for me to relate to him, I have nothing against how MJ looked like in the other times of his life. English isn't my native language and I tend to use the wrong phrasing quite frequently so again, I'm REALLY sorry if I made you feel offended. I hope that didn't stop you from enjoying being on this forum.the last time I checked the rules of this site (which was admittedly awhile ago), it was against policy to state that ‘Michael looked better when he was black’. yet there are no rules against stating the opposite.. in fact, a new member in another thread chose ‘dangerous’ as their favourite era because Michael was ‘light skinned just like me’. there was no disciplinary action taken at all, in fact the comment received likes. I can imagine the endless backlash I would receive if I stated the same about ‘thriller’ or even ‘off the wall’. I’m one of the very few black people on this board, and that’s not by coincidence..
How do you know that?I’m one of the very few black people on this board
I don't think he has any significant native American. Some of his nieces and nephews have tested, and they don't have it. Based on those, I'm guessing he's an average African-American genetically, possibly with slightly above-average amounts of European (20-25% most likely)Michael does have white and native american in his family history BUT he still black. none of us 100% anything. i'm black but i do have white and native american in my family history as well. when the european came to america they brought the blacks and stole the natives land. because of this alot of blacks, natives,and whites have at least 1% one of these race. alot of european rape and sold blacks and natives. michael also has alittle asian in him too. his mom has that on her side.