Dieter Wiesner-Channel on YouTube

[myosotis]

In other words, the original was scanned (if he had access to it; otherwise he downloaded an image from Google if a photo of the original can be found online) and printed on fancy paper. Cost about 1 cent to make, and he's selling for 1100 Euros.

No thanks. I will save my money.

In terms of cost, the most expensive component looks like the box and packaging, and the second most expensive will probably be the postage, especially if import duties are added. That's a lot of money for a lot of 'nothing'.....

 

[Electro]

? Australia, Brasil, New Zealand, Ireland, Italy, Poland, Austria, Singapure,
? Swiss, Netherlands, Norway, Japan, Sweden, Neverland, Germany,...

Limited edition of 100 units for each country in which Michael Jackson toured during his block buster "History Tour"

:scratch:

Looks like Wiesner himself wrote that text.

 

[Bubs]

Dieter Wiesner's dirty hand are all over this.
I clicked this link: http://billiejean-lyrics.com/product.html
and if you scroll at the end of the page, you'll see Impressum
click that and it take you to page where is contact info
Kontaktadresse
Artlima AG

Artlima AG is behind Dieter's book
http://www.artlima.ch/?project=project-2

"Partnering with Artlima AG on many of my projects has been a very wise decision. They have proved very competent, reliable, professional and have proved a solid partner in helping me achieve the set goals for my projects."

DIETER WIESNER, DIETER WIESNER MANAGEMENT

His projects seems to be concentrating selling MJ's stuff on auction houses, and selling MJ's image and likeness in various means.


Btw, that Billie Jean link has Michael's image and likeness all over the place.
I thought DW won the case over MJ's History logo, but seemingly he is exploiting MJ's image and likeness more than just History logo thingy.

They have silhuette of MJ tiptoes on top left corner and Neverland Ranch logo

on their History site
Surely MJ own image + NL ranch logo are owned by the estate?

Annita or Myosotis, do you remember what was the estate's court case result?

 

[Bubs]

Holy s..t! Seemingly Bret L-S has dealings with Artlima and Dieter
http://www.artlima.ch/?project=project-9

He is the guy that Tohme gifted all Michael's drawings.

I'm not liking what is going on?

 

[Annita]

So the book is not a new book but only a worldwide translation of the existing German book "Die wahre Geschichte"

http://www.artlima.ch/?project=project-2
Michael Jackson – The True Story

Publishing – Dieter Wiesner’s Book

25th June 2009, for a Moment the world stops Spinning. Michael Jackson, the King of Pop is dead”. 5 years have passed and there are still questions left unanswered. Why did Michael Jackson have to die ? Why just when he was about to have his great comeback ? Who profited from his death ?. Dieter Wiesner Michael Jackson’s Long term Manager and confidant reveals the answers in this much anticipated tell all book about the last decade of Michael’s life.

dw-book-pic
Michael Jackson – The True Story

Publishing – Dieter Wiesner

Management: Dieter Wiesner

End Date: 28.03.2014
URL: http://dw-truestory.com/

A plethora of books on “Michael Jackson” have been written since his death. As of today there are no less than 227 published and more are forthcoming. How much then do you think would be spent to block a book on Michael Jackson from coming out?

If the person writing the book happens to be the only living person in the world who managed Michael for the last decade of his life, was responsible for hiring and firing all the people around him including you, has unreleased audio and video material you are unaware of, then certainly you would spend a lot more. Over a million dollars in Legal fees, is what the Estate of Michael Jackson spent in Germany trying to block Mr. Wiesner’s book published in German by Random House.

After more than 3 year battling it out in the German courts, the highest German court finally ruled in Mr. Wiesner’s favor, clearing him to publish his book in all languages globally, both in paperback and an audio book with voice Messages.

 

[Bubs]

Yes, it seems to be an old book:scratch:

date of release: Heyne Verlag - 9. November 2011
Language: German

Well well, no matter whether it is old or new, DW won't get a penny of my money.

Though I would assume they are, does anybody know if the Estate is aware of this?

I don't know, but do you or MJJC have email to them so you could sent screen cap of that websites to them.
As far as I know, the estate owns right to MJ's image and likeness, and this website has MJ's silhouette there as well as Neverland ranch logo.

 

[Annita]

http://de.mj-memories.com/cgi-bin/w...ub_id_postback=102516a66fccd038b536d9faa0cdc4

Google-translat:
This is a contest of Planet49 GmbH. Deadline is the 31.08.2015 at 24 clock. This action of Planet49 GmbH is guaranteed performed. Prices from the possession of the former Michael Jackson management, including proof of authenticity. The former Michael Jackson management is not promoter and sponsor of this Sweepstakes.

Warning for Planet 49: Experiences with Planet 49:

//www.google.de/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=planet49+erfahrung&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=VU_wVL6EFIuI8QeEhICYBA

 

[Mechi]

Planet 49 rang a bell in my mind... please be careful with those, very shady business matching Dieter Wiesner perfectly:

http://www.verbraucherschutz.tv/2009/03/13/planet-49-der-heimliche-star-der-szene

used google translater for saving time:

Planet 49 - the secret star of the scene

When was the last time you checked your cell phone bill? Because many users do not do that wächste the chance that providers like Planet49 carry large pot.
You pay attention to the subtle handling Information on the top left winmytv.de. Contribute Here's register is let. The costs in any event before 4.99 euro and on and on every week, if not terminated. Every day, 10,000 users own this landing page, oh sorry Partners page of PLANET49.

It works like this: On the homepage of the provider, you can participate in a raffle million. I will sometimes not omit here on Legal, odds or other Relevant, have enough lawyers at the neck. Only this: Who unnoticed enters into a subscription here, where the fees are deducted without further communication from the mobile phone bill. Since it is relatively small sums, which is not noticeable and often goes on for months so on. Hammer is that German mobile provider contract join something and lock the contracts if the bills are not paid in full. We say ingenious method ...:-(

Who wants to know why I think the stars of the scene: Look at them times these numbers:

http://www.marketing-boerse.de/Unternehmen/details/PLANET49-GmbH - conclusions may pull themselves out of it because everyone, but against these figures are 99downloads.de, fabriken.de or genealogie.de small fish ...

What bothers me about it: The actual business idea comes as a raffle. This is but rather addresses and who wonders what all the spam in e-mail filter comes, imagine the time before the extent of the data collected ...

Legally, of course, completely ok! An excerpt from an advertising text: "The Planet49 is about 11 million registered users and about 30,000 new records per day European leader in address generation for database marketing."

Look - here - how many people visit daily planet49.com.

And, of course, not only to fish with a net in the pond

http://www.freie-auswahl.de/. It is a destination user via pop-up "you've won!"

Of all the stories I've researched so far, this is the most impressive me the most. 30,000 new addresses per day - much objectives for so much annoying cold calls.

And all deserve perk with. For example web.de. The Free Mailer hidden "winner notifications" on the banner and links to these landing pages on https://www.planet49.com/cgi-bin/wingame.pl?source_pk=5728&partner_pk=852&wingame_pk=61

Or: http://www.winmytv.de/perl/lp.pl?file=index1.html&partner_pk=899&sub_id=GWS-PopUnder: simply enter the T-Mobile number and subscription trap snaps shut.
- See more at: http://www.verbraucherschutz.tv/200...heimliche-star-der-szene#sthash.QU3V2PSc.dpuf

 

[Gold Pants Girl]

Is anyone aware of what legal battle he's talking about? I can't recall the estate trying to block his book.

 

[myosotis]

Holy s..t! Seemingly Bret L-S has dealings with Artlima and Dieter
http://www.artlima.ch/?project=project-9

He is the guy that Tohme gifted all Michael's drawings.

I'm not liking what is going on?

Very well spotted.. Birds of a feather.....and putting this together with 'Planet 49' methods......these guys must really think they are on to a get-rich-quick scheme. I worry about Michael's drawings being printed in similar editions. Hopefully the pending Tohme case will prevent that, but I am beginning to wonder.

I also wondered how the 'Boy in the moon' logo was appearing on the number certificates for the Billie Jean lyric prints.....maybe that logo has lapsed. I've a feeling I read that somewhere. I wonder if Wiesner / Artlima have re-registered it.

 

[Annita]

Is anyone aware of what legal battle he's talking about? I can't recall the estate trying to block his book.

It`s a problem that we did not have any court papers from Germany. They mayy have tried to block this "audio book with voice Messages".

I remember Ivy mentioned somewhere from courtpapers that the Estate tried to get a ban for Wiesner about using tapes.

 

[myosotis]

I see that there is a massive 'portfolio' of projects on the ArtLima site. One of these relates to works by a Swiss artist called 'Gabinka', who is managed by Wiesner.

Here is her MJ portrait..(from her own website; 'sunny and shady sides of life'. That sounds very similar to one of David Nordahl's website titles: The peaceful side of life'.
I'd love to know what Joe thought of this 'portrait'!!
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With her Pop Art style, Gabinka expresses experiences, feelings and thoughts but also the effects of sex, power and pain. One of her central themes are her masterpieces accompanied by monsters and “the horned one”, both with a malicious smile or with the expression of the constant presence of good and bad in our daily life.

As a little girl, Gabinka often dreamed of monsters, because of her difficult childhood. The beholder of her Pop Art masterpieces will be captured by the play of colours which will inspire him to think about her pictures and about the hidden messages in Gabinkas paintings. To paint, draw and sketch always belonged to Gabinka’s life. Sometimes her subconscious mind turned inside out and manifested itself in her artwork :
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10.12.2014

Artlima Sponsors Gabinka ArtBasel @Miami 2014

Artlima AG sponsored Artist Gabinka (Gabriela Geenen) to a successful debut in the North American Art scene. She showcased her musician paintings series at the South Seas Hotel, 1751 Collins, Miami between the 4h to the 7th of December 2014. It included artists portraits of Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, and Bob Marley. Michael Jackson’s father, Joe Jackson, was in attendance.


http://www.artlima.ch/?p=591
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http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/f0GpfuaRj][/URL]

http://www.gabinka.net/?p=655

 

[myosotis]

I see there is a European exhibition of Jackson-Strong art planned in 2015...

I wonder if 'under the auspices of' means 'sold to ' or 'maybe 'rented out to'????

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In 1989, Michael Jackson and artist-sculptor Brett-Livingstone Strong, formed the Jackson-Strong Alliance. Their aim has been to establish the world’s most dynamic arts enterprise, promoting the power of imagination, not just for creativity sake, but for the sake of important world causes. Michael and Brett have focused their creative expression in support of the arts, children everywhere and our planet.

The combination of Brett and Michael’s art represent an unprecedented powerful partnership that defines the driving force and unlimited success of the Jackson-Strong Alliance.

Artlima AG is honored to be partnering with the Jackson-Strong Alliance and plans to exhibit Michael and Brett’s collection in Europe in 2015.

http://www.artlima.ch/?project=project-9

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27.11.2014

Agreement signed with Brett-Livingstone Strong

Representatives for Artlima AG traveled to Los Angeles California and concluded a successful financing and partnership agreement with Sir Brett-Livingstone Strong. A number of Original paintings done by the legendary late Pop Star Michael Jackson are now under the auspices of Artlima AG.

Mr. Stefan Oberholzer and Mr. Dieter Wiesner met with Mrs. Katherine Jackson, Sir Brett Strong and inspected the art by Michael Jackson. A signed and executed agreement towards an exhibition of the paintings in Monaco in 2015 is currently planned.

http://www.artlima.ch/?p=603

 

[ivy]

Interesting developments. As for MJ's paintings, in Mann case we know Strong claimed ownership due to Tohme's letter to him. Estate claimed partnership. However it did not resolve in either way. There might have been some sort of an agreement between Estate and Strong. As for Tohme case, the power of attorney isn't being challenged. So overall it's really hard to say if Estate and Strong came to an agreement/understanding about these paintings or if they are/will be at odds.

I would recommend emailing the Online Team to alert them to these items and tell them possibility of copyright infringement. They'll know what to do - if needed.

 

[passy001]

MJ was so careless in life. Everything about his dealings was an exhibition of horrendously poor judgement. KJ, unsurpisingly isn't helping, so long as she gets some perk in return. what an absolute horror!

 

[myosotis]

I emailed Alicia this morning, but have not heard back. I will post if I do, of course.

From the MJ-online team....
'The Estate does not comment on legal or business affairs as a matter of policy'.

 

[Anytime]

This whole Wiesner/Artlima project sounds as delusional
as the ideas Wiesner had while being Michael’s "manager".

Do they really expect to find someone who is willing to pay at least 3 Million dollars for the SC lyrics?
Many handwritten lyrics have been sold at Julien’s Auctions since 2009.
If I looked it up correctly, the highest result was 275.000 dollars for signed “We are the world” lyrics.

And the Billie Jean prints?
“Experts already guarantee a value enhancement of huge proportions for the next years
due to the very limited edition and the high quality standards used in the making of this product…”

In reality the prices for MJ items are already decreasing -
but still they believe they can sell 3000
replicas for 1111 dollars each?
It wouldn’t surprise me if they end up falling flat on their faces.

 

[myosotis]

This whole Wiesner/Artlima project sounds as delusional
as the ideas Wiesner had while being Michael’s "manager".

Do they really expect to find someone who is willing to pay at least 3 Million dollars for the SC lyrics?
Many handwritten lyrics have been sold at Julien’s Auctions since 2009.
If I looked it up correctly, the highest result was 275.000 dollars for signed “We are the world” lyrics.

And the Billie Jean prints?
“Experts already guarantee a value enhancement of huge proportions for the next years
due to the very limited edition and the high quality standards used in the making of this product…”

In reality the prices for MJ items are already decreasing -
but still they believe they can sell 3000
replicas for 1111 dollars each?
It wouldn’t surprise me if they end up falling flat on their faces.

I think it depends if you can 'corner the market' in a particular item eg if you know that you have the majority of the world's supply of something, as long as (wealthy) people want whatever that is, you can charge what you like for it. I suspect that is less likely to be the case with MJ handwritten lyrics (but we don't know how many or what other originals DW has)...it may be more likely with MJ original art, if Mrs Jackson, BLS and Dieter get together and pool resources. The art market has been 'flying' for some time now, and who knows what a very wealthy collector might pay. If you have hundreds of millions, 3m is not much for something that is unique. Many established artists' work sells for much more. Each time an item sets a new 'price record' at sale, it re-sets the benchmark for sales of other similar items, so past prices may not be a good predictor of future ones. It just depends if a few wealthy collectors are willing to come forward and pay the 'new' asking price.
(But I entirely agree that these lithographic prints are very unlikely to increase in value very much. In the art world, a 'very limited edition' would be something between about 2 and 10. And they would be hand- signed by the artist...which of course is not possible with prints of MJ lyrics.)

 

[Annita]

3 million for the lyrics is utopic. Did Wieser tell Artlima that they an sell it for this price? What I'm wondering. Wiesner sold the lyrics to Artlima AG, what got he from Artlima.

All the things that are give Unity Charity remains without bidders.

 

[myosotis]

And now an MJ art book....? I wonder if the Estate has authorised this? I thought that ownership of the art was yet to be decided???
I wonder if any of the proceeds will go to the Estate. Perhaps this has a licence????

There are photos of 'other world stars' with Michael's artwork at the Museum of the San Fernando Valley at the moment (in the Kent Twitchell exhibition) eg Elton John and Bill Clinton. I'd love to know when these photos were taken ie before or after June 2009.

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Artworks by Michael Jackson: The unknown side of a world star Hardcover - October 2015

of Artlima (Editor)

E30.00 hardcover


Stunned, the music world has need to accept the news of the unexpected death of Michael Jackson on 25 June 2009. The exact circumstances for his death will probably never fully understood - his melodies, however, have made him immortal. A balance to his life in the world public was Michael Jackson in the painting. And first arrives in this book the complete collection of his works into view. Accompanied by the famous Australian artist Brett Livingston Sir Michael Jackson has created a collection of drawings and paintings that emphasize an unknown side of his musical talent. Sir Brett explained in this book Motivation and motives of Michael Jackson in the painting; and his mother Katherine Jackson told the importance painting had for her son at an early age. Complements this book of previously unpublished photos of Michael Jackson from the family album; Photos on paintings that show him with other world stars in front of his works - and some of them he has portrayed himself.

http://www.amazon.de/Kunstwerke-von...fkmr0&keywords=Kunstwerke+des+Michael+Jackson

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/p8o4iw9kj][/URL]

 

[barbee0715]

Is this what the Estate was fighting D. Weisner for over in Germany? I didn't think this was completely settled?? I can't imagine the Estate just letting them publish this book.

 

[myosotis]

Is this what the Estate was fighting D. Weisner for over in Germany? I didn't think this was completely settled?? I can't imagine the Estate just letting them publish this book.

I think that was Dieter's book:

http://www.artlima.ch/project/project-2/

A plethora of books on “Michael Jackson” have been written since his death. As of today there are no less than 227 published and more are forthcoming. How much then do you think would be spent to block a book on Michael Jackson from coming out?

If the person writing the book happens to be the only living person in the world who managed Michael for the last decade of his life, was responsible for hiring and firing all the people around him including you, has unreleased audio and video material you are unaware of, then certainly you would spend a lot more. Over a million dollars in Legal fees, is what the Estate of Michael Jackson spent in Germany trying to block Mr. Wiesner’s book published in German by Random House.

After more than 3 year battling it out in the German courts, the highest German court finally ruled in Mr. Wiesner’s favor, clearing him to publish his book in all languages globally, both in paperback and an audio book with voice Messages.

 

[morinen]

Dieter's book was okay, by the way. I don't know why the Estate spend so much effort and money trying to block it. Yeah, it wasn't very favorable of the executors, but certainly not something worth 3 years and a million dollars of legal battle. It was his memoir generally positive of Michael, with a bunch of funny anecdotes and a bunch of boring stuff - not that much different from dozens of other memoirs that have come out. There's been far worse books released since Michael died.

As to this recent book, something tells me it'll face its own obstacles - unless Dieter wants to limit it to things that Michael left with him personally. But execution aside, I think the idea is great. I'd love to buy an album that presents a well-selected collection of Michael's drawing, with notations about his journey as an artist. Maybe one day something like this will be released. Sometime in 30 years...

 

[barbee0715]

I think that was Dieter's book:

http://www.artlima.ch/project/project-2/

After more than 3 year battling it out in the German courts, the highest German court finally ruled in Mr. Wiesner’s favor, clearing him to publish his book in all languages globally, both in paperback and an audio book with voice Messages.

Dieter's book was okay, by the way. I don't know why the Estate spend so much effort and money trying to block it.

As to this recent book, something tells me it'll face its own obstacles - unless Dieter wants to limit it to things that Michael left with him personally. But execution aside, I think the idea is great. I'd love to buy an album that presents a well-selected collection of Michael's drawing, with notations about his journey as an artist. Maybe one day something like this will be released. Sometime in 30 years...

OK-thank you both. I knew they were fighting over a book, but couldn't imagine it being just "another" memoir-since they spent so much time and money on it fighting its release. And now that you've read it, it sounds no different than a lot of other ones that have come out-and no big deal.

I had imagined if they spent that kind of time and money, it would be over something big like intellectual material, or Michael's own art-so I thought maybe it was this art book that was the issue. I love the idea too, but I want it to come from Estate and whoever they choose to put it together, so Michael's own children get the benefit, not other people.

 

[ivy]

Dieter's book was okay, by the way. I don't know why the Estate spend so much effort and money trying to block it. .

I don't think their focus was the book. This is from what dieter's people said back in the day

Wiesner has access to a large amount of exclusive and unreleased material on the King of Pop, material that is apparently making some people nervous. Because of this, more than a million dollars has been spent in legal fees in Germany by Michael Jackson’s estate, trying to block this book.

I think the issue is the unreleased audio and videos. And soon after the lawsuit was concluded Dieter started to release the videos (hence this thread)

 

[morinen]

I think the issue is the unreleased audio and videos. And soon after the lawsuit was concluded Dieter started to release the videos (hence this thread)

Well, so far he hasn't released anything to make anyone nervous - or anything worth a million bucks. So we are yet to see what the whole fuss was about.

 

[Annita]

Dieter's book was okay,...

That`s your opinion. I don`t think so and other also. But I also do not think the Estate did spend millions to prevent a book from releasing which is already released. That`s Dieters statement and btw why isn`t it publish yet in others language?.A half year is already gone since his statement, when he now is able to do it and his chanel didn`t add other videos.

 

[Gaz]

Why has Dieter still not given that letter to MJFance? it was intended for them so why is he still holding on to it?

 

[AliCat]

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...and now we know why Dieter Wiesner continues to rear his ugly (greedy) head. Just read his lawsuit against Michael Jackson...

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/jackson_complaint_051122.pdf

 

[Tygger]

A balance to his life in the world public was Michael Jackson in the painting. And first arrives in this book the complete collection of his works into view.

If this book has Michael's complete collection of works with Strong, I will purchase this book.