[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[ChrisC]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's an image problem, that's what I am relating. Young male's that Michael is accused of molesting and a business associate who produced gay porn can lead one to wonder about Michael's image. That's all!

That if he liked homosexual pornography he might be capable of sexually molesting children??

That's offensive. And completely false.

It's an image problem because it's pornography, period. Michael himself says so in that video. The work he was projecting to the wide audience he had intended on projecting it to, would not go hand in hand with that industry.

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So, I'm guessing no one knows about this Wade's email twitter fiasco..? Those supporters got SCARED man, and then they got the account suspended, but he/she said that they were coming back. This is..I don't know.

 

[LindavG]

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So, I'm guessing no one knows about this Wade's email twitter fiasco..? Those supporters got SCARED man, and then they got the account suspended, but he/she said that they were coming back. This is..I don't know.

No, what happened?

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

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No, what happened?

This twitter user got into Wade's email and retrieved an email where Wade was telling someone that what he was doing 'was going according to plan.' She showed the supporters the screen shot and they got scared. As of now, I know that four of those supporters left, and the others got the user's account suspended.

 

[barbee0715]

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As sad as it is, I prefer a trial rather than a settlement. If the estate decides to settle, the media will have a party with crazy stories.

Well, if it's NOT thrown out and the choice is a trial or settlement-then I'd want a trial too! And I think Weitzman and the Estate would too. They were around in 93 and remember as well as we do what happened with public opinion. Up to that point, I was defending Michael about stupid stuff-like Bubbles, or "turning white" or "hormone shots"-all trivial taunt stuff. And there was a poll in 94-probably in People-that despite the salacious stories being spun, 80% of America thought he was totally innocent. But the second that settlement was announced, everybody changed their opinion. In their minds, that made him guilty. That was a HUGE mistake-and the Estate will not repeat that again.

 

[la_cienega]

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This twitter user got into Wade's email and retrieved an email where Wade was telling someone that what he was doing 'was going according to plan.' She showed the supporters the screen shot and they got scared. As of now, I know that four of those supporters left, and the others got the user's account suspended.

Where did you hear this?

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This twitter user got into Wade's email and retrieved an email where Wade was telling someone that what he was doing 'was going according to plan.' She showed the supporters the screen shot and they got scared. As of now, I know that four of those supporters left, and the others got the user's account suspended.

Where did you hear this? I have been told that the email was about Wade not liking the page/or the people on the page. I personally think Wade has replied to a MJ fans email who went on to inform him about the hate SOWR were spewing and dirty tactics Par and his goons were pulling and he has said he wasn't involved with those nut cases.

Yes it does seem true that the email has spooked them a little though they are denying it and accusing MJ fans of creating a fake email.
And they even reported the users account, I'm thinking to probably to hide this email...? I cant think why else they would do that if they think it is a fake...?

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

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Where did you hear this?

Where did you hear this? I have been told that the email was about Wade not liking the page/or the people on the page. I personally think Wade has replied to a MJ fans email who went on to inform him about the hate SOWR were spewing and dirty tactics Par and his goons were pulling and he has said he wasn't involved with those nut cases.

Yes it does seem true that the email has spooked them a little though they are denying it and accusing MJ fans of creating a fake email.
And they even reported the users account, I'm thinking to probably to hide this email...? I cant think why else they would do that if they think it is a fake...?

I'm surprised no one posted it here before me

Well, first, it's all over twitter and it's getting spoken of on FB. They've been talking about it all morning, and I found out through my cousin this morning. And some those of supporters were saying things like "Wade wouldn't hatch up these plans." And "Wade never said this was going according to plan, you made that up." And all that BS, I'm waiting for that user to come back so I can get the screen shot. But as of now, I'm one confused puppy. This city born country girl ain't one to gossip, so y'all didn't hear that from me :lmao: I'm kidding, but if the user gets his/her account back I'll get the picture.

And I think they reported the account to hide the email too. If this IS the case, then my magic 8 ball and that Madame Cleo app on my iPod were correct.

 

[NeeChee]

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c'mon XO, get on the case - we're on pins and needles here!;D

 

[AliCat]

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That if he liked homosexual pornography he might be capable of sexually molesting children??

That's offensive. And completely false.

It's an image problem because it's pornography, period. Michael himself says so in that video. The work he was projecting to the wide audience he had intended on projecting it to, would not go hand in hand with that industry.

When Michael mention's Mother's, it is in a respectful approach, toward's Mother's. Michael is concerned with how they will react!

 

[HIStory]

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Well, if it's NOT thrown out and the choice is a trial or settlement-then I'd want a trial too! And I think Weitzman and the Estate would too. They were around in 93 and remember as well as we do what happened with public opinion. Up to that point, I was defending Michael about stupid stuff-like Bubbles, or "turning white" or "hormone shots"-all trivial taunt stuff. And there was a poll in 94-probably in People-that despite the salacious stories being spun, 80% of America thought he was totally innocent. But the second that settlement was announced, everybody changed their opinion. In their minds, that made him guilty. That was a HUGE mistake-and the Estate will not repeat that again.

I agree, I would not want the Estate to settle either. Besides public opinion it would also encourage other opportunists to try to make money this way. Just like all other accusations were a result of the Chandler settlement.

Regarding that settlement, the media made sure not to tell people the legal ins and outs of it which would show how a settlement does not in itself mean that the accused is guilty and how MJ's rights would have been violated with the civil trial if he had not settled it (bad decision by the Judge to let the civil trial go ahead of the criminal). Also the media made sure to give the impression that he "bought his way out of jail" and as a result of that many people still believe he settled the criminal case when that's impossible, and they don't know the difference between a criminal and a civil case or don't even know there was a civil case and that's what was settled.

 

[barbee0715]

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I agree, I would not want the Estate to settle either. Besides public opinion it would also encourage other opportunists to try to make money this way. Just like all other accusations were a result of the Chandler settlement.

Regarding that settlement, the media made sure not to tell people the legal ins and outs of it which would show how a settlement does not in itself mean that the accused is guilty and how MJ's rights would have been violated with the civil trial if he had not settled it (bad decision by the Judge to let the civil trial go ahead of the criminal). Also the media made sure to give the impression that he "bought his way out of jail" and as a result of that many people still believe he settled the criminal case when that's impossible, and they don't know the difference between a criminal and a civil case or don't even know there was a civil case and that's what was settled.

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. If anything the AEG trial proved to me was how agonizing a civil trial would have been at that time-I still don't understand how the judge could allow a civil trial to go forward without one single charge against him. I'll never understand it.

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just got an update on this WR mess:

It turns out Wade said he didn't like the support page. But wait, if he didn't like the page, why'd he tell them thank you? Anywho, my cousin said that's what the supporters say he said, but don't be so quick to believe it--as they're dishonest people anyway.

So, at this point, we're 50/50. Either way I'm laughing. Karma's coming back.

 

[HIStory]

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^ Wade personally thanked them on their page. As well as his sister and cousin. And that was after they already did questionable stuff. So if he says now he does not like them then I guess his lawyer told him to distance himself after those loons hacked LMP's Twitter account and harassed Corey Feldman on Twitter and those stories both made it onto Radar Online. Neither reflected well on WR, so I guess he tries to distance himself now.

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

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^ Wade personally thanked them on their page. As well as his sister and cousin. And that was after they already did questionable stuff. So if he says now he does not like them then I guess his lawyer told him to distance himself after those loons hacked LMP's Twitter account and harassed Corey Feldman on Twitter and those stories both made it onto Radar Online. Neither reflected well on WR, so I guess he tries to distance himself now.

I hope he knows that this is making him look bad anyway, whether or not he tries to distance himself.

Those so called supporters grew quiet... Haven't heard from them yet, so they must be scared.

 

[marebear]

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This might be slightly off topic but I was watching a rerun of an episode of law and order suv. The episode was about a boy who said this rich celebrity molested him. I watching it and the man's house was filled with toys and games and animals etc. I felt weird watching it. Then they finally showed the guy. They tried to make him look like Michael with the mannerisms and the makeup and then word for word he said what Michael had said. I look at the year of the episode and it was 2004. I didn't watch the rest it was so biased and it was no coincidence what I was seeing.

I am bringing this up because I don`t want to see shows or movies like this, this time around. it made me sick and it was such crap. I worry what this will bring. I hate this whole thing because of how everything Michael did or said was twisted around. I don`t want that to happen again.

 

[shelly_webster]

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All those haters who are trashing Corey because he doesn't support Wade they all forget that

FELDMAN: I myself was molested, so I know what it feels like to go through those feelings. And believe me, the person who molested me, if this was him that did that to me, then this would be a different story, because I would be out there, up front, you know, doing something immediately to have this man given what was due to him.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COOPER: He admits that he was molested but by somebody else. How did police react to that?

LEVIN: Not only by somebody else, he mentions who it is. COOPER: He names the person.

LEVIN: We didn't put this on the air. But he is very specific. Just right past it. The cops didn't care. They just went right back to Michael Jackson. And Corey Feldman brought this up several times. And, you know, it just was if, you know, fine, forget about him forget about him, let's get back to Michael Jackson. It was really a stunning moment.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/11/acd.01.html

 

[bluetopez]

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All those haters who are trashing Corey because he doesn't support Wade they all forget that

FELDMAN: I myself was molested, so I know what it feels like to go through those feelings. And believe me, the person who molested me, if this was him that did that to me, then this would be a different story, because I would be out there, up front, you know, doing something immediately to have this man given what was due to him.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COOPER: He admits that he was molested but by somebody else. How did police react to that?

LEVIN: Not only by somebody else, he mentions who it is. COOPER: He names the person.

LEVIN: We didn't put this on the air. But he is very specific. Just right past it. The cops didn't care. They just went right back to Michael Jackson. And Corey Feldman brought this up several times. And, you know, it just was if, you know, fine, forget about him forget about him, let's get back to Michael Jackson. It was really a stunning moment.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/11/acd.01.html

http://youtu.be/rdITa9Ulx2A

http://youtu.be/3F0I7q94HEQ

These aren't the best quality =( But, I put up these vids on my Youtube channel about 2yrs ago where u can hear police grillin Corey on MJ! He keeps saying MJ never did anythin to him but, that's not what they wanna hear. And even though he mentions that he was molested but by someone else, Not MJ, they ignore him and keep questioning him and pressuring Corey to say MJ did something to him! Very disturbing and corrupted sh*t!

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This twitter user got into Wade's email and retrieved an email where Wade was telling someone that what he was doing 'was going according to plan.' She showed the supporters the screen shot and they got scared. As of now, I know that four of those supporters left, and the others got the user's account suspended.

So basically hes doing what evan chandler did

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe Wade wants to make 'Robin Hood Men In Tights PT 2'...

 

[xosweetseducingsighsxo]

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Maybe Wade wants to make 'Robin Hood Men In Tights PT 2'...

:lmao: I'm dead lol

 

[8701girl]

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Maybe Wade wants to make 'Robin Hood Men In Tights PT 2'...

Ha dont give him that idea he might just do it lol

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

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This really has nothing to do with Wade but i wanted to post this to show that Mike had and still have real friends. Way to go akon!

[youtube]gM_anZ6lQ2o[/youtube]

 

[AlwaysThere]

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This might be slightly off topic but I was watching a rerun of an episode of law and order suv. The episode was about a boy who said this rich celebrity molested him. I watching it and the man's house was filled with toys and games and animals etc. I felt weird watching it. Then they finally showed the guy. They tried to make him look like Michael with the mannerisms and the makeup and then word for word he said what Michael had said. I look at the year of the episode and it was 2004. I didn't watch the rest it was so biased and it was no coincidence what I was seeing.

I remember that episode. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I do remember that at the end, "Michael" had another party with children at his house, and Stabler and Benson and everyone sat around the TV saying that they'll "get him next time". I love Law and Order: SVU, but this episode got under my skin.

This really has nothing to do with Wade but i wanted to post this to show that Mike had and still have real friends. Way to go akon!

[youtube]gM_anZ6lQ2o[/youtube]

*applauds* Go Akon! This is the first time I've really seen any of Michael's friends say flat out, "Stop asking me this bulls***."

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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This might be slightly off topic but I was watching a rerun of an episode of law and order suv. The episode was about a boy who said this rich celebrity molested him. I watching it and the man's house was filled with toys and games and animals etc. I felt weird watching it. Then they finally showed the guy. They tried to make him look like Michael with the mannerisms and the makeup and then word for word he said what Michael had said. I look at the year of the episode and it was 2004. I didn't watch the rest it was so biased and it was no coincidence what I was seeing.

I remember reading about this prog and just googled it now. It's so shocking to me how blatently modelled on the chandler and arvizo accusations it is - to me it is a case of libel. It was broadcast right in the middle of the convening of the grand jury looking into the arvizo allegations so i guess they felt mj's lawyers wd be otherwise engaged. I know jurors aren't allowed to watch the news or read about the case in the media, but are they told not to watch any tv drama progs in case some producer decides to 'dramatise' the allegations they're currently mulling over? Only in america, no way cd a high rating tv drama do this here about a highprofile case, something so close to a real life case wd be seen as in contempt of court.

It has a boy being suspected by the outside authorities of being molested, he's taken and questioned, names his abuser but the parents have accepted $$$ and a confidentiality agreement from the billionaire abuser and so the boy recants. The authorities can't get round the confidentiality agreement and the family disappear. Then we have a girl cancer victim who also makes allegations, but it turns out they're false and the mother is lying about the cancer. Abuser gets off to molest again. Lol, it seems that the media were already aware of the huge doubts about the arvizos and their story but wanted to reinforce that it doesn't mean that mj was innocent and that his guilt was confirmed by the one who got paid off, chandler - which basically is the story that alot of the public believe to this day. Interesting that the dramatisation doesn't show that the parents of the first boy blackmailing the abuser by threatening to go public with claims of molestation, when that failed going public with a heavyhitting lawyer, and only after 5 months of police and legal activity resulting in no charges, does the abuser pay a settlement, gets a confidentiality agreement preventing the family talking to the media but leaves the family perfectly free to pursuse a criminal case. But they decide not to and plan to write a book instead. Maybe those details don't dramatise so well.

 

[HIStory]

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Interesting that the dramatisation doesn't show that the parents of the first boy blackmailing the abuser by threatening to go public with claims of molestation, when that failed going public with a heavyhitting lawyer, and only after 5 months of police and legal activity resulting in no charges, does the abuser pay a settlement, gets a confidentiality agreement preventing the family talking to the media but leaves the family perfectly free to pursuse a criminal case. But they decide not to and plan to write a book instead. Maybe those details don't dramatise so well.

Such a program would be the perfect opportunity to explain all the details behind the headlines, but no, they just go along with the usual cherry-picked myths. And never proven allegations discussed as facts. And that in the middle of the legal proceedings.

 

[la_cienega]

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It has a boy being suspected by the outside authorities of being molested, he's taken and questioned, names his abuser but the parents have accepted $$$ and a confidentiality agreement from the billionaire abuser and so the boy recants.

I was shocked when I heard about it too, it almost seemed like a parody of the media's situation to MJ it seemed so out there and prejudicial that I just couldn't believe it had been a real thing. I tried to picture myself having been a fan the way I am now back then, I wouldn't have survived a day.

They basically made out like the NDA in the settlement prevented him from testifying too, which was a load of crap. If that had happened MJ would've been charged with obstruction of justice.

Saying that though - if there was an attempt to make something like that again I believe we have enough info to be able to demonstrate the flaws in something like this and if not stop it, at least have it circulated how disgustingly biased and poorly informed it was. I don't believe it would be as easy to put it together today as it was then.

Maybe Wade wants to make 'Robin Hood Men In Tights PT 2'...

It's uncanny how these accounts mirror each other.

I really believe Wade is still writing scripts out right now, that he's still nurturing a dream of being a Hollywood movie writer. I want to know how he'll justify himself when he tries getting one made again, because I believe he will.

Maybe as one hater told me that now that he's come out with it in public it's meant he's free to do all those things before, even though in his claim he states that coming forwards with it meant he emphatically is incapable of ever doing anything to do with them in any capacity again and requires huge money because of this.

 

[analogue]

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I really hate when stand up comedians and talk show hosts take their cheap shots at Michael over this type of situation. People will say that they are just saying harmless jokes but it's those kind of ''jokes'' that help fuel public opinion that Michael was guilty.

Those comedians bullied Michael with the safety net of ''Can't you take a joke?'' It's disgusting

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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I was shocked when I heard about it too, it almost seemed like a parody of the media's situation to MJ it seemed so out there and prejudicial that I just couldn't believe it had been a real thing. I tried to picture myself having been a fan the way I am now back then, I wouldn't have survived a day.

We'd be gibbering wrecks. Fact.

They basically made out like the NDA in the settlement prevented him from testifying too, which was a load of crap. If that had happened MJ would've been charged with obstruction of justice.

Saying that though - if there was an attempt to make something like that again I believe we have enough info to be able to demonstrate the flaws in something like this and if not stop it, at least have it circulated how disgustingly biased and poorly informed it was. I don't believe it would be as easy to put it together today as it was then.

I'd really like to think so, was there any outcry back then? For me it shows the complete lack of influence and power and sympathy mj had in media circles in those days. Runs completely counter to that ridic image of mj being this all powerful svengli type figure, evading justice with his $billions and contacts, able to keep an army of boys quiet. He really was at a low ebb at this time, not given any benefit of the doubt, yet wade didn't feel ready to come out with his allegations, i guess that spielberg prophesy hadn't kicked in.

Law and order is a nbc show, the network who had bashir on to do that hitpiece before the trial and had victorguttierez on that mj special so they have form. The depiction of a NDA having the power to prevent the victim from speaking out is just so wrong and so obviously wrong to anyone thinking about the issue for 5 mins, it was just a deliberate ploy to perpetuate the mj myth of buying chandler's silence. It's the type of argument a mj hater wd make. This show is exported round the world (i'm sure uk had it) and they're content to let the world think that in the usa, far from being a land which respects the rule of law, rich people can silence child abuse victims from ever talking to police if they have $$ and a fancy lawyer draw up a document. And what type of message does that give out to child abusers and victims? Who cares, all they wanted was to influence their audience in seeing mj as guilty, whether or not he was going to be indicted by the arvizo grand jury.

 

[AliCat]

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Michael settled because he was advised to. Michael's business venture's were more important, the need to make money, than dealing with these allegation's.

Frank Dileo said that Michael regretted not dealing with the allegation's in 1993, because this hurt Michael's reputation, not dealing with the situation of Michael's innocence at the time. Settling for $15 million would cost Michael in the long run. Wade is just trying to repeat HIStory and the craziness needs to stop. Wade is nothing but a bully and trying his best to make the Estate of Michael Jackson his victim.