[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LOL dont forget latoya who would have ran to the press saying mj did it. tight nit!
Yeah, he should've just said "no comment" and walked away if it's something he doesn't know about.

I saw this tweet about Jermaine not knowing this about Taj and it made me laugh because it is so spot on

Ben_Baggins ?@BenBaggins20h
Jerkmaine is shocked? LOL Like someone would confide in you. You'd probably have written a book on how you saved Taj.
 
im frankly to busy laughing at his story that has less crediblity than the arvizos hot air ballon theory.he should have stuck to the repressed memory story as this new story is laughable and makes him look like a total idot who should be in a straight jacket
maral;3825255 said:
I’m going to be blunt and honest. I’m an average fan who by no means worship MJ. Thus I never ruled out the possibility of the accusations being true just because it’s about Michael. With each accusation I question, examine and make my conclusion. With this story I was chocked, confused and sad. My logic told me well who knows, I wasn’t there. Now that we know what this is about it doesn’t make ANY sense. At the age of 22 any sane person knows what molestation means. And a true victim would do anything to get a pedophile behind bars. I watched the interview and it’s like listening to a nutcase babbling crap. He has got to be on heavy drugs because he can’t even get his story straight. You want me to believe that a man did this to you and you just woke up one day and realized it was wrong? Not when you’re 21 or 25 but when you’re 30+? Right! Well in that case I’m the queen of England.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So he says he needed to do this because he learnt he has to speak it as loudly as he did to begin to heal. How does that jive with the fact they first filed their creditors' claim under seal?

The man is a walking contradiction.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

im frankly to busy laughing at his story that has less crediblity than the arvizos hot air ballon theory.he should have stuck to the repressed memory story as this new story is laughable and makes him look like a total idot who should be in a straight jacket

The way he speaks in this soft, monotone voice creeps me out. He probably thinks it makes him sound frail and sympathetic, though.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is clear we are dealing with some kind of unstable individual with a possible coached [and a very clear] callous attitude and more . Bet it will not long before they arrest you for your Slanderous behaviour robson .
 
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The whole thing doesn't make any sense. I am glad fans can see through this. He really made the mockery of real victims of child abuse. He claimed he was abused for 7 years, just think about this. michael is not his parents, relatives, or authorities, that he cant get rid of. if you are abused even once, would you want to continue going to the abuser's house happily and let him abuse you again? You would try everything to avoid the monster.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade was coached by an inept person. Either he coached himself from reading books and looking at people on the internet, or someone told him how to act.

Now remember this from TMZ:
Sources connected with the case tell TMZ ... Robson is claiming he suffered from "repressed memory" and that's why he didn't file his creditor's claim on time. TMZ broke the story ... Robson filed legal docs against the MJ Estate, claiming Michael molested him when he was a child. Robson was a frequent guest at the Neverland Ranch between the ages of 7 and 14.

Weitzman tells TMZ ... "We are confident that the court will see this for what it is."


Did a source really tell TMZ this was repressed memories or did the tabloid make it up? I am wondering why TMZ didn't say he changed it.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Apparently he just gave another interview in LA. From LSA:

I just got off the phone with my friend and she said that the interview with Wade was on a local LA TV show. She said it was a 10-minute segment and his wife along with his joined him. My friend stated that interviewer really hit him with tough questions, but he refused to answer them by saying, "I plead the 5th" other than that he pretty much said the same things he did with ML.

The interview appeared to be a last minute thing because she said he was wearing the same clothes he had on from the today show.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wow..
This guy needs to just give it up... The more he talks the more people see through his lies

Apparently he just gave another interview in LA. From LSA:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am so glad Michael is not here physically to go through this all over again for a third time. I don't think Michael would have survived it this go round. I think they would have completely broken him and he would have died.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am so glad Michael is not here physically to go through this all over again for a third time. I don't think Michael would have survived it this go round. I think they would have completely broken him and he would have died.

None of this would be happening if Michael were still alive.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Exactly. wade be be going around to mjs for barbies and kissing his ass
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He said he did not forget what happened so why would he want to be a director and choreographer of a show in honor of the man who abused him sexually?
What would make a person to make a tribute to their abuser?


He said that MJ called him every day ... Then the FBI knows these calls, right? FBI investigated MJ for over 10 years and found nothing!
How Wade managed to hide such calls from the FBI?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

None of this would be happening if Michael were still alive.

yea, you're probably right. It's a shame how people in this world can be such LIARS for money. I think these people at some point actually start believing their own lies.
 
From Thunder(MJJUltimate):

I listened to this(TMez interview on King Jordan Show). They were accepting callers, and the very last caller was a psychiatric nurse. She said some fascinating things. Tom thanked her genuinely for the information she provided. I decided to type out what she said so I am going to paste it below.

Lynette: Psychiatric Nurse - On Repressed Memory You can follow along by starting at 80:00 – 88:00


I am a psychiatric nurse, so I know a little bit about repressed memory.

Some of the things that we've been seeing from Wade, and actually Wades life itself, doesn't really speak well for the repressed memory.

Usually people who repress their memories of abuse have long term psychological problems (the access) to personal problems, things like that. So it will be important to actually watch Wade tomorrow to see how he handles himself, what he looks like, if he becomes angry, upset, that kind of thing. And there really isn't any such thing as a nervous breakdown. Its a layman's term. So how he got to a doctor is questionable as well. Just simply because he chose a child psychiatrist and from my understanding, one that lived or lives a great distance from him. So some of the things are suspect there as well.

Is his claim that he was molested for 7 years? To your understanding?

Well, one of the things the estate lawyer, Howard Weizmann, he pointed out that Wade was actually under oath twice, once in 2005 was he questioned on the Chandler lawsuit under oath?

Well, there's no empirical evidence that points to a repressed memory. Its just sort of something a few sensationalized cases brought about, is actually what it is.

KJ: In your opinion, what do you think of these allegations?

I think its gonna depend entirely upon how that therapist got them to come out. If his claim is that he was feeling them prior to going, if they had been triggered unconsciously, that might be different. But if they came out in therapy, they're always suspect. Even though...

Yeah, because of the In-Talk therapy, which is what I'm assuming we're talking about. Psychotherapy. Repressed memory is actually the Freudian foundation of psychotherapy. That's what Freud went after. “You're forgetting this, and this is why you're like this.”

And so, its kind of hard to describe. Nobody can remember everything. What we tend to remember are the significant events in our life. Even traumatic ones. And its repressed memory vs post traumatic stress disorder. Why would his memory be repressed.

The thing is, if he had been repressing his memory, he still would not have been, he still would not have felt the way he felt about Michael Jackson. You still know that there's something wrong. And it causes you to feel a certain way. No matter what. Even if you don't remember, it's like the feeling of deja vu. You don't know why you feel like you've been there before, but you do. And that's because your memorie's actually tied into all 5 of your senses. Not just one. It's not something you see. It's not something you feel. Smell, sounds, around you, that's going to trigger a memory. And from the sounds that, he was anxious, and then he went to see the doctor about why he was anxious.


This was before Wade Judas ROBBERson of B...! interview.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You guys... On the TODAY Show didn't any of you think that WADE looked bad, like unhealthy? I thought he looked bad. anyone else think that? maybe he's on drugs or something?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"If my coming forward and speaking the truth can help, honestly, one [person] to gain courage to speak their truth and begin the healing process then that would really be more than I could ask."

I think it's interesting how people noticed how he said nothing directed towards his 'fellow victims' on that interview. Nothing like; 'I'm doing this for everybody who's ever been trough what I've been trough, I want to help people realize what's going on, and speak up, if they are in the same situation..'
And now he does.. It's really like he's just waiting for the comments on what he does 'wrong' and then applying them in his next comment. :blink:
 
elusive moonwalker;3825273 said:
Exactly. wade be be going around to mjs for barbies and kissing his ass

Didn't I saw that one of his next moves would be to go on the interview with baby or wife, and there you have it he did it. He is so predictable. so he can't answer real questions, eh.

When will he & his lawyer have the time to go over each other's ideas?
Wade bases his coming forward more with his small son in the interview in New York. Now look at what his lawyer said:


Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
FORMER JACKSON DEFENDER NOW SAYS SINGER ABUSED HIM
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY
— May. 8 10:18 PM EDT

"Last year, on a career trajectory that was off the charts, (Robson) collapsed under the stress and sexual trauma of what had happened to him for seven years as a child," Gradstein wrote in a statement that referred to Jackson as a sexual predator.

"There are significant legal issues involved in this case that have the potential to impact lives beyond just our client," he wrote.

Gradstein said he could not discuss specifics of the case, but he cited Robson's recent breakdown as the choreographer's reason for reversing his previous statements about Jackson. "As a result, he started intensive treatment which ultimately led to his ability to come forward," Gradstein said.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/forme...ger-abused-him
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So the lawyer is saying 1) while career was off, then 2) he collapsed due to stress & sexual trauma of the abuse, then 3) he went to therapist, then 4) therapy made him come forward. Now how come Wade does not know this. He claims in the video that the son was the cause, I guess to have people feel more sympathy for him.
 
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FBI investigated Michael Jackson for 10 years


The FBI released 333 pages of documents related to the late pop singer on Tuesday that date from 1992 to 2005.
At the molestation trial, FBI eventually concluded there was little risk of terrorism, although they noticed that a Nation of Islam follower and New Black Panther Party member, both unnamed in the files released, sat in the gallery in the early part of the trial. Jackson was eventually acquitted of all charges.
The files show FBI had been tipped off by their London, England, office in 1993 of an alleged inappropriate involvement between Jackson and an underaged male. Over the next 10 years, they made several investigations of the pop star, none of which led to charges.


Federal investigators assisted Santa Maria police in combing through computers at Neverland, Jackson's California home, in the molestation case. They also helped customs officials investigate a video suspected to be child pornography.

Neither of those investigations yielded substantive evidence, according to the documents.

FBI also interviewed two former Neverland employees in the Philippines over allegations of Jackson fondling young boys.
But the files released Tuesday contain no major revelations about Jackson's private life and the bureau apparently never developed any solid evidence against him.


They did include death threats against Jackson, then President George H. W. Bush and mob boss John Gotti by Frank Paul Jones, who allegedly was obsessed with Janet Jackson.
Jones was convicted in 1993 in relation to a letter that states: "I decided that because nobody is taking me serious, and I can't handle my state of mind, that I am going to Washington, D.C., to threaten to kill the president of the United States, George Bush."

The letter later says, "Michael [Jackson] I will personally attempt to kill, if he doesn't pay me my money."

Jones was arrested June 22, 1992, after trespassing in the driveway of the Jackson family compound in Encino, Calif.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/music/story/2009/12/22/fbi-jackson.html
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^I think it's interesting how people noticed how he said nothing directed towards his 'fellow victims' on that interview. Nothing like; 'I'm doing this for everybody who's ever been trough what I've been trough, I want to help people realize what's going on, and speak up, if they are in the same situation..'
And now he does.. It's really like he's just waiting for the comments on what he does 'wrong' and then applying them in his next comment. :blink:

Nah, I think that was a talking point of his all along, he just forgot to mention it then. He's trying to garner sympathy and the best way to do that is by pretending there is some altruistic motive to his accusations.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am not surprise if he is lurking on MJ forums and also study from the real child abuse victim cases. He seems very well prepared.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He must be on some good stuff. Why would he think he can get away with pulling this crap with these particular men that are running MJ's estate. Him of poeple should know these guys ain't gonna let him shake them down for a payoff. Just so dumb.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why would AEG hitch their saddle to that broken down horse?

Wade Robson can't even keep his story straight. He's story makes no sense. He has no credibility, why in the world would AEG want to be in cahoots with him? In my opinion, it makes no sense.

All of that being said, I ain't trying to be mean, but Wade Robson has also admitted to having 2 NERVOUS BREAKDOWNS. (True or not, he has now admitted it to the public.) Which in my opinion, means homeboy is not too stable, which makes him dangerous. He could flip the script at any moment.


Exactly, Robson is unstable and is using child abuse to excuse HIS behaviours, be it depression, delusions, mania... It gives him a pass for acting any way he wants, because it immediately creates sympathy for him. He has lost it, and now has the perfect out for any future behaviours too. He can even get himself some cash.

This is all Robson's doing for his own personal and financial gains.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

funny thing is Gavins story made more sense than this.
im frankly to busy laughing at his story that has less crediblity than the arvizos hot air ballon theory.he should have stuck to the repressed memory story as this new story is laughable and makes him look like a total idot who should be in a straight jacket
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Nah, I think that was a talking point of his all along, he just forgot to mention it then. He's trying to garner sympathy and the best way to do that is by pretending there is some altruistic motive to his accusations.

Ugh.. such a DOUCHEBAG :mat:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He was an adult when he testified during the trial and he says he knew all along then what Michael did to him. But he says he didn't understand it was abuse? That makes no sense when the whole trial was about child abuse and molestation. EVERYBODY understood what it meant. I didn't know that note Michael wrote to Taj's mom was seen before the trial. Michael and Taj never said what it was about. That shows how protective Michael was and how he wouldn't use his nephew's ordeal to help him. Michael never used people. People used Michael.
 
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I also wanted to say that those who are playing down Wades testimony in the 2005 Trial as not being important to winning that case are missing the mark here. To state state that only helps his case as in implying he wasn't very convincing or had anything of importance to say in MJs defense to win that case. . Even Tom Mez says WADE was a STAR witness for the defense and his testimony was very important and powerful to help MJ's case. And it is for that very reason that his testimony today is considered Bogus and shows him to be lying. His testimony in the 2005 trial will be one of the main things that will be held against him. He knew what was asked of him and he knew what MJ's charges were. He knew what Garviso stated. SO he knew then what molestation was and stated it never happened and was asked many personal questions about it. He defended Michael in everything that was asked from him and he knew then Michael never touched him in a sexual way as Garviso was stating and he and stated that. For him to say today he didn't realise he was being molested at that time (when he was in his 20's) until recently can be show as a blatant lie, because he did know and proved he knew by his Strong adamant testimony and defense of Michael in the 2005 trial. He was certainly was not in the dark at that time about what he was testifying to ..
 
[h=1]Michael Jackson, Delayed Allegations and Witch Hunts[/h] by Joe Vogel on <abbr class="published" title="2013-05-17">May 17, 2013</abbr> · 0 comments

This is a lengthier, uncut version of an article cross-posted at the Huffington Post.
When Michael Jackson died unexpectedly in June of 2009, then-26-year-old choreographer Wade Robson &#8211; who has recently made headlines for accusing the pop star of molestation &#8211; wrote about his longtime friend and mentor:
Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.

More: http://www.joevogel.net/michael-jackson-delayed-allegations-and-witch-hunts

 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I also wanted to say that those who are playing down Wades testimony in the 2005 Trial as not being important to winning that case are missing the mark here. To state state that only helps his case as in implying he wasn't very convincing or had anything of importance to say in MJs defense to win that case. . Even Tom Mez says WADE was a STAR witness for the defense and his testimony was very important and powerful to help MJ's case. And it is for that very reason that his testimony today is considered Bogus and shows him to be lying. His testimony in the 2005 trial will be one of the main things that will be held against him. He knew what was asked of him and he knew what MJ's charges were. He knew what Garviso stated. SO he knew then what molestation was and stated it never happened and was asked many personal questions about it. He defended Michael in everything that was asked from him and he knew then Michael never touched him in a sexual way as Garviso was stating and he and stated that. For him to say today he didn't realise he was being molested at that time (when he was in his 20's) until recently can be show as a blatant lie, because he did know and proved he knew by his Strong adamant testimony and defense of Michael in the 2005 trial. He was certainly was not in the dark at that time about what he was testifying to ..

Wade's testimony is important in light of the accusations he is making now but Michael would have been acquitted even without Wade.

If you say Wade played a major role in getting Michael acquitted in 2005, the people who believe Wade will automatically question the 2005 verdict too.
 
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