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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Petrarose said:
^^Don't forget we are talking about WADE; he is different.

Wade reminds me of that song that was popular some summers ago & has a chorus "It Wasn't Me." Does anyone remember that song & who it is by? The guy did all kinds of things & his girl friend caught him and he still says "it wasn't me." That is Wade--asked the questions & answered them, and still claims he does not Understand the same actions that are related to the questions.
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Shaggy:

 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So his lawyer is keeping his chin wagging:

"Robson's lawyer Henry Gradstein spoke to Australia's Today Tonight, saying, "Whatever Michael Jackson's apologists may say, all you have to do is listen to Wade to know that what he has to say is true and irrefutable. They may find it surprising that Wade defended Michael for all those years and never spoke about what was done to him until now, but anyone who knows anything about pedophilia and the terrible damage it does can tell you that this is almost always the case with victims of childhood sexual abuse."

http://uk.eonline.com/news/420495/w...m_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

"Irrefutable" hmm.

"Michael Jackson apologists" hmmmm.

Judging by his comments he really doesn't come across very well - first the "every normal person in their heart knows" stuff and then stuff like this.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They still have to explain why he was called as a witness if MJ molested him.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
So his lawyer is keeping his chin wagging:

"Robson's lawyer Henry Gradstein spoke to Australia's Today Tonight, saying, "Whatever Michael Jackson's apologists may say, all you have to do is listen to Wade to know that what he has to say is true and irrefutable. They may find it surprising that Wade defended Michael for all those years and never spoke about what was done to him until now, but anyone who knows anything about pedophilia and the terrible damage it does can tell you that this is almost always the case with victims of childhood sexual abuse."

http://uk.eonline.com/news/420495/w...m_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

"Irrefutable" hmm.

"Michael Jackson apologists" hmmmm.

Judging by his comments he really doesn't come across very well - first the "every normal person in their heart knows" stuff and then stuff like this.
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NOT after 4 years the accused death. and not after a high profile trial where he could put him in jail! a victim who is scared avoid the molester. they don't PRAISE them! does this dude see how stupid he sounds?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
So his lawyer is keeping his chin wagging:

"Robson's lawyer Henry Gradstein spoke to Australia's Today Tonight, saying, "Whatever Michael Jackson's apologists may say, all you have to do is listen to Wade to know that what he has to say is true and irrefutable. They may find it surprising that Wade defended Michael for all those years and never spoke about what was done to him until now, but anyone who knows anything about pedophilia and the terrible damage it does can tell you that this is almost always the case with victims of childhood sexual abuse."

http://uk.eonline.com/news/420495/w...m_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

"Irrefutable" hmm.

"Michael Jackson apologists" hmmmm.

Judging by his comments he really doesn't come across very well - first the "every normal person in their heart knows" stuff and then stuff like this.
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LOL, his only defense is "anyone that listens to Wade knows he's telling the truth". I doubt that's going to hold up in court.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Listen to what he says it is irrefutable? Just like it was irrefutable in 2005?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
So his lawyer is keeping his chin wagging:

"Robson's lawyer Henry Gradstein spoke to Australia's Today Tonight, saying, "Whatever Michael Jackson's apologists may say, all you have to do is listen to Wade to know that what he has to say is true and irrefutable. They may find it surprising that Wade defended Michael for all those years and never spoke about what was done to him until now, but anyone who knows anything about pedophilia and the terrible damage it does can tell you that this is almost always the case with victims of childhood sexual abuse."

http://uk.eonline.com/news/420495/w...m_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

"Irrefutable" hmm.

"Michael Jackson apologists" hmmmm.

Judging by his comments he really doesn't come across very well - first the "every normal person in their heart knows" stuff and then stuff like this.
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Yeah, he doesn't sound good. It seems like this "just look it up in books you will find Wade's behavior is typical for pedophilia victims" is gonna be their mantra now. When I saw Chantal make those "knowledge" this, "knowledge" that comment I already had a slight suspicion of it. Ray Chandler does the same in his book.

I find it an odd argument. When I see real victims, they reflect on their emotions, feelings, the experiences they went through and I have neve seen any of them say "educate yourself, the behavior I'm displaying is just typical of pedophilia victims" and go on and on and on about it.

Anyway, I can believe that it's not uncommon that victims bury it deep and don't talk about it, but I find it hard to believe that it's typical that they go out of their way to praise their abuser to anyone who would listen, all the time, voluntarily. Or that they go out of their way to tribute him and to be on tribute shows for him. No, I don't think that's "almost always the case" with sexual abuse victims...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How many childhood sexual abuse victims defend their abuser in a trial about sexual abuse, when they are adults?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
LOL, his only defense is "anyone that listens to Wade knows he's telling the truth". I doubt that's going to hold up in court.
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Yeah, we could just play one of his other many interviews and believe he's telling the truth there too.

It's like the Arvizo's all saying that interview was scripted, it raised the question, "If that's what they're like when they lie, how can you trust anything they've said?"


I also found the whole "if you look at typical victims..." thing very odd, it's almost like a barrier to them. Like "You can't judge me, this is what victims do!" It's like someone explaining a medical problem they have by using the textbook symptoms and naming the parts of the body using the latin words instead of just saying "it hurts here, it feels achey here, this part is sore". It's like he's divorced from the abuse and can only refer to it in the third hand, which as Respect says, is what Ray Chandler does a lot in his book.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I truly hope Mikes estate destroys Wades career, life and reputation.

(Btw its now starting to make frontpages, Wade has contacted or tried to contact the former maid)
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

How many child abuse victims describe their abuser as "making them believe in the pure goodness of humankind"?
How many child abuse victims voluntarily defend their abuser in a child abuse case, consistently denying that any abuse ever took place?
How many child abuse victims wait for several years after their abuser has died to file a creditor's claim against him, when they had the perfect opportunity to put him in prison when he was alive?
How many child abuse victims praise their abuser at every opportunity over a period of 20 years, even long after the abuser has died?
How many child abuse victims invite their abuser over for a barbecue when they're in their mid-20s?
How many child abuse victims invite their abuser to come to their wedding?
How many child abuse victims do not realise until they're 29 that they were abused when they were forced to perform sex acts for 7 straight years and testified in a child abuse case in defense of their abuser?

None of this seems "typical" behaviour for abuse victims to me.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is like they are saying Wade's denying it is typical of an abuse victim. That works if Wade was still seven years old. If you want to deny you were abused you don't fine but you don't go on and on about your abuser. Let's look at Bret Barns I have not heard Bret say anything about Michael up until now, Have not heard Mac Culkin say a word about Michael. Wade is different he was singing Michael's praises he not only did he say Michael did not abuse him he said Michael abused no one as far back as last year was still dancing to Michael's music and talking wonderfully about him
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
LOL, his only defense is "anyone that listens to Wade knows he's telling the truth". I doubt that's going to hold up in court.
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^ Unfortunately, this kind of reasoning will probably be more than convincing to those who already believe MJ was a pedophile. They've never cared much about rational arguments or evidence.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Their constant references to psychology is a bit of a givaway about how they prepared for this IMO (from books).

It's good that they are defensive though...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
^ Unfortunately, this kind of reasoning will probably be more than convincing to those who already believe MJ was a pedophile. They've never cared much about rational arguments or evidence.
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If that is the case why would you care about what people like that think?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And if we are to believe Wade's lawyer then Wade must be mentally challenged
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So they are now completely playing the exact card I nought they would play..

"lots of victims have gone about it this way"....

He shouldn't have to mention ANY other victims, this is all about poor Wade. The fact they had to say something like this speaks VOLUMES
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Their constant references to psychology is a bit of a givaway about how they prepared for this IMO (from books).

It's good that they are defensive though...
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Wade even admitted, "if you research child abuse..." Boom.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
I don't :)

It's just frustrating to know that such people exist.
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You are not going to convince everyone. There are people who still think the Holocaust never happened or that slavery was not that bad, Some people are just stupid
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

sugarcookies said:
I hate this is taking away the Las Vegas show that will start in a few DAYS!! Especially us the fans are paying way more attention to this stupid SH!T of a story right here. I say just let it go FOR NOW and focus more on the amazing show that about to happen, BUT still keep our EYES and EARS open to any BULLSH!T that will come along. We still gotta what until June to HOPEFULLY hear that this claim/lawsuit will be threw out.
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WR getting his revenge. Media previews of one with Jamie King, are juxtaposed with images of WR on today, at the airport with the paps, etc.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It sounds like WR has done his research on abuse victims.

Its painfully obvious.....
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
I don't :)

It's just frustrating to know that such people exist.
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Exactly this. So very VERY frustrating and saddening too. I told about my friend who send me a message about NU.NL, right? I didn't ask what he thought of it, but he did say 'omfg, this is bad' . To be honest..i never spoke much about MJ and my opinion with him, but it wouldn't surprise me if he actually believes it. I have an aunt and she already has her mind made up, she even had the damn guts to start talking trash about Michael at a birthday party of mine a few years ago. She knew damn well what a huge fan of Mike i am, and she did that nonetheless. She said...you don't have to say a thing dear boy, these magazines and papers don't lie. It's SO incredibly ****ing annoying when i'm on other forums or sites and the discussion changes into MJ. You just cannot have a discussion about the good man, without ONE poor asshole going 'yes...great music he made, too bad he couldn't resist touching kids, come on now..sleeping with them in one bed..do i need to say more?' . Nonsense like that. So tired of defending MJ in all the possible ways and these people really just not caring about it. I bring the facts, but noooooooooo.....the media is right.

It may be odd to bring this up i don't know, but at the moment i don't have a girlfriend, but i'm already afraid of eventually meeting a very nice girl and that she's as anti-MJ as you can imagine. I think i speak for A LOT of us here when i say MJ really has become a huge part of my life, i mean....ever since i can remember, which was probably when i turned five or so, it was around the time Bad released and MTV was airing the Bad tour, and i was born in 1982. But i've been a fan of him ever since then, when things turned ugly i started doing research of my own and started defending him. Not a whole lot of fans of other artists can say the same. So if i 'd meet a girl and she's like 'Oh jeez...that disgusting guy...' when she sees/hears that i'm a HUGE fan, that wouldn't be cool...and all i can say is that i hope i meet a open minded person. Damn. MJ has become so important for us, it truly is like he's family. The guy did so much good for this rotten world and look what he got in return....no words for it. NO WORDS!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm officially worried now. I thought this was going to be over by nest month, but it seems it's gonna take time and months and months of the same ol' shit all over the media. If the Arvizo' didn't win, neither will Wade, but MJ's public image will be as bad as when the trial was all over the news. It's like killing him for a second time.

I'm SO frustrated. Thank God here, in Spain, no one is talking about this. It's not even on the media, BUT if there's a trial... >_
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

My understanding is that as long as AEG is fighting with the Jacksons, this wont go away. I feel there's gonna be more ugly and ludicrous stories that might come out in the near future cuz AEG doesn't play fair and they will destroy ppl. b4 giving up their $$. Even if a person is dead... they have no common sense or empathy...

We will have our doubts on how this is going to affect Michael, his children and us fans, but we have to remember that we've gone through much worse and we will always count on the truth to come out, Always!!!

Here's a saying that I believe, "Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not yet the end...."

So lets not few stories from tabloids get us down. We know the truth and most of the ppl. in the world know deep in their hearts that this is some BULL SH!+ ! So lets keep the faith and fight for what we believe in. Its so easy to love and defend Michael and I know as fans we've gotten a lot of SH!+ from ppl. even family members, it might seem difficult at times to keep on doing it but we Know in our hearts that he was a pure human soul and we are his Advocates and will be here till' the end...

Keep the faith ya'll... we're not done yet!


L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder what real abuse victims think of that lawyer's comments. I'll call him and Wade the two stooges. I'm glad Taj came out and said "his truth" :)
 
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